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I've loaded up a bunch of 416 Rigby using some old cases that were previously primed. Prior to loading I trimed the cases then loaded to the proper as measured with a gage. Out of 4 of the first 10, the bolt would not close. I tried seating the bullet deeper but no help. I marked the bullets with a felt tip and loaded and there were no marks. I pulled the bullets and tried to load the empty case. The bolt would not close all the way. I remeasured and I had trimmed to the correct length. So, I can only guess that it is in the diameter of the case somewhere near the rim. I marked the whole case with a felt tip, tried again but still no marks.

Any ideas and what should I do?


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SBT what rifle are you using. I don't want you to be insulted, but I made a similar mistake. If you have a CRF rifle then you must feed the rounds from the magazine, otherwise the bolt must fit over the rim at the last fraction of an inch.
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I've loaded up a bunch of 416 Rigby using some old cases that were previously primed. Prior to loading I trimed the cases then loaded to the proper as measured with a gage. Out of 4 of the first 10, the bolt would not close. I tried seating the bullet deeper but no help. I marked the bullets with a felt tip and loaded and there were no marks. I pulled the bullets and tried to load the empty case. The bolt would not close all the way. I remeasured and I had trimmed to the correct length. So, I can only guess that it is in the diameter of the case somewhere near the rim. I marked the whole case with a felt tip, tried again but still no marks.

Any ideas and what should I do?


Try pulling the decapping pin off the die and running the cases through your FL die again.


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great answers.. i suspect if they aren't fired in his gun, or loaded by them, they are oversized.


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Thanks you guys. I'm using a Winchester Mdl 70 Safari Express w/ CRF. In retrospect, the cases I'm having trouble with were a gift and received primed. I did not size them or shoot them through my rifle. I have now pulled the bullets, poured out the powder and set them aside.

I brought out the brass that has been fired in my rifle. I re-sized each and ran each into the chamber without a single problem. Thanks for the help.


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With those cases that are too large, can I use the FL die to knock out a live primer, or is it best to shoot them?


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Like Fjold said.. back off, or out, your expander and depriming cap so they aren't inplay.

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In retrospect, the cases I'm having trouble with were a gift and received primed.


Hmmm...these sound familiar. They were fired in two different rifles and then only neck-sized. One rifle has a larger chamber than standard and that's the cause of the problem you're experiencing.

Full-length size all of them and you should have no problems. All the brass I sent you was once-fired.

I sent you a PM too.


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Thanks Forrest. I now recall that you told me to resize the brass but somehow that got lost in the translation. Now that I understand the problem, it is no longer a problem. And thanks again for your generosity!


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With those cases that are too large, can I use the FL die to knock out a live primer, or is it best to shoot them?


You can resize and knock out the live primers but much easier to just back out the decapping pin.
 
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I have discovered the real problem and it wasn't Forrest's cases at all, it was my technique.

I reloaded some of the brass that had been fired in my own rife and had been tested for fit before loading. Once loaded, they didn't fit either. After much bullet depth checking I noticed there was a slight bulge all the way around the shoulder. Then, when working through the issue with a friend, we realized that I had the die adjusted for too much crimp and it was crushing the cases at the shoulder.

We then loaded with no crimp - problem solved.

Thanks all. With a DG safari only 9 days away, this was relly stressing me out. I even ordered some factory rounds as back-up.


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With those cases that are too large, can I use the FL die to knock out a live primer, or is it best to shoot them?


You can, but what I'd do is back the expander plug up some into the sizeing die, so that the decapping pin doesn't stick out the bottom of the die, then size them leaving the primer untouched.

Then add powder & bullet (after you've verified that the bolt will close on those cases).......


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