THE ACCURATERELOADING.COM FORUMS


Moderators: Mark
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
Better stockpile lead while you can
 Login/Join
 
One of Us
posted
Home › Press › Other Resources › SEMA eNews ›
SEMA eNews Vol. 12, No. 43 California Bans Lead Wheel Weightsin Law & OrderGovernment AffairsWTC
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law legislation which bans the manufacture, sale and use of lead wheel weights in California effective January 1, 2010. The automakers have agreed to stop using the weights as original equipment, and the three major manufacturers of wheel weights in the United States will stop distributing lead weights in California by the end of 2009.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency launched a voluntary nationwide initiative in 2008 and began a rulemaking process this summer which may eventually translate into a mandatory federal ban. The weights have been banned in the European Union since 2005.

At issue is concern that the weights fall off tires and become environmental hazards or are contaminants in the metal recycling process. In the environment, the weights may be ground into fine dust particles and turn into lead oxides, hydroxides or bicarbonates. Lead particles and chemical combinations also pose the risk of contaminating surface and ground water supplies


My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost.
 
Posts: 6644 | Location: Wasilla, Alaska | Registered: 22 February 2005Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of fredj338
posted Hide Post
Yep, coming to a state near you. Stack it high & deep, it's not going to be around much longer.


LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT!
 
Posts: 7752 | Location: kalif.,usa | Registered: 08 March 2001Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
The sad thing about it is there is no vailid reason to attack solid lead, it's basically harmless.

But, neither "scientists" nor bureauacrats advance in their protected worlds by being reasonable.
 
Posts: 1615 | Location: South Western North Carolina | Registered: 16 September 2005Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Elemental lead is very non-reactive.
A place I once worked had the same lead anodes in the sulfuric acid anodizing bath for decades.
 
Posts: 13978 | Location: http://www.tarawaontheweb.org/tarawa2.jpg | Registered: 03 December 2008Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
Leave it to California! Well I guess we can't have all that lead contaminating all their fruits and nuts now, can we?
 
Posts: 323 | Location: Northeastern, PA | Registered: 21 June 2002Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by vip:
Leave it to California! Well I guess we can't have all that lead contaminating all their fruits and nuts now, can we?


Don't laugh. As Snowwolfe mentioned, the EPA started this bullshit in 2008. And unfortunately, many states follow the lead of California in some issues, especially environmental. Your turn might be coming.
 
Posts: 8169 | Location: humboldt | Registered: 10 April 2002Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of Ol` Joe
posted Hide Post
I believe the auto manufactures have been going to zinc weights for some time now. It doesn`t suprise me Kaliforia is banning lead, wheel wgts, they already have banned lead bullets in 1/2 the state.


------------------------------------
The trouble with the Internet is that it's replacing masturbation as a leisure activity. ~Patrick Murray


"Why shouldn`t truth be stranger then fiction?
Fiction after all has to make sense." (Samual Clemens)

"Saepe errans, numquam dubitans --Frequently in error, never in doubt".



 
Posts: 2535 | Location: Michigan | Registered: 20 January 2001Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of kcstott
posted Hide Post
The big problem won't be getting lead but using it. We already have a California Condor lead free zone in California that completely restricts the possession of lead bullets in ammunition while in the area.
It won't be long before you won't be able to use your ammo unless it is lead free.


www.KLStottlemyer.com

Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK
 
Posts: 2534 | Location: National City CA | Registered: 15 December 2008Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Ol` Joe:
I believe the auto manufactures have been going to zinc weights for some time now. It doesn`t suprise me Kaliforia is banning lead, wheel wgts, they already have banned lead bullets in 1/2 the state.


The Feds banned lead shot for waterfowl a long time ago, there's no more lead based paint or leaded gasoline, not to mention the lead free solder requirement for plumbing applications. Shit, there's groups out there wanting to ban lead fishing weights. It's only the beginning of the end if the special interest groups get their way.
 
Posts: 8169 | Location: humboldt | Registered: 10 April 2002Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Jim C. <><:
The sad thing about it is there is no vailid reason to attack solid lead, it's basically harmless.
uh i wouldn't say that..... my lead is usually going 1230 fps..... that's gonna leave a mark..........

But, neither "scientists" nor bureauacrats advance in their protected worlds by being reasonable.
 
Posts: 3850 | Registered: 21 July 2002Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
do your part, buy a bag of #8 shot a week and sprinkle it in condor country.

Rich
 
Posts: 23062 | Location: SW Idaho | Registered: 19 December 2005Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of kcstott
posted Hide Post
Better yet I'm eating my share of Condor omelets Big Grin Condor egg, bacon, and cheese bagel Big Grin
I'm getting hungry


www.KLStottlemyer.com

Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK
 
Posts: 2534 | Location: National City CA | Registered: 15 December 2008Reply With Quote
Moderator
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by kcstott:
The big problem won't be getting lead but using it. We already have a California Condor lead free zone in California that completely restricts the possession of lead bullets in ammunition while in the area.
It won't be long before you won't be able to use your ammo unless it is lead free.


Have you thought about the long terms implications of that?

Short term, the shooting industry will probably switch to copper bullets as the technology is already out there.

Once those become widely established, the anti''s will start making a noise about how harmful copper is when it becomes embedded in trees. They will also aggitate the logging/timbre industry about the potential damage done to saw blades and other (expensive) machinery when it hits a copper projectile.

Now I know these claims against copper are pretty groundless, but so is the present ones against lead bullets; in reality both are just stratergies to attack shooting/hunting...

Regards,

Peter
 
Posts: 5684 | Location: North Wales UK | Registered: 22 May 2002Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Pete E:
quote:
Originally posted by kcstott:
The big problem won't be getting lead but using it. We already have a California Condor lead free zone in California that completely restricts the possession of lead bullets in ammunition while in the area.
It won't be long before you won't be able to use your ammo unless it is lead free.


Have you thought about the long terms implications of that?

Short term, the shooting industry will probably switch to copper bullets as the technology is already out there.

Once those become widely established, the anti''s will start making a noise about how harmful copper is when it becomes embedded in trees. They will also aggitate the logging/timbre industry about the potential damage done to saw blades and other (expensive) machinery when it hits a copper projectile.

Now I know these claims against copper are pretty groundless, but so is the present ones against lead bullets; in reality both are just stratergies to attack shooting/hunting...

Regards,

Peter


Exactamundo!
 
Posts: 8169 | Location: humboldt | Registered: 10 April 2002Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of kcstott
posted Hide Post
Oh yeah just like banning guns in general.
How many jobs will that effect?
Gun companies, Steel, Wood, reloading components, Scopes, sights, binoculars, clothing, ATV's, Etc all depend on the sale of guns and the use of them in the field to support an industry.
These dummies don't understand how wide spread a gun ban would go. Billions of dollars lost, Hundreds of thousands of jobs lost.
They really have no clue


www.KLStottlemyer.com

Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK
 
Posts: 2534 | Location: National City CA | Registered: 15 December 2008Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by kcstott:
Oh yeah just like banning guns in general.
How many jobs will that effect?
Gun companies, Steel, Wood, reloading components, Scopes, sights, binoculars, clothing, ATV's, Etc all depend on the sale of guns and the use of them in the field to support an industry.
These dummies don't understand how wide spread a gun ban would go. Billions of dollars lost, Hundreds of thousands of jobs lost.
They really have no clue


Oh, they have a clue alright! It's just that they don't care. They know that their mindless rants against guns and gun related items will keep them awash in cash from ignorant liberal simpletons. They don't know how to hold down a real job.
 
Posts: 3780 | Location: SC,USA | Registered: 07 March 2002Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
I was supposed to get the cleaning of an old range backstop that had been used for the past 30 year. I had planned on salvaging and recycling the lead. As near as I can figure 5 to 10 tons. Well EPA found out about it and put a stop to it, now it will be cleaned up, put in containers, and the will bury it in a hazmat waste dump where it will be safe.


"An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a slave", Ceasar
 
Posts: 211 | Location: NW OHIO | Registered: 15 March 2005Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by kcstott:
These dummies don't understand how wide spread a gun ban would go. Billions of dollars lost, Hundreds of thousands of jobs lost.
They really have no clue.

What would cause you to think they give a shit? Nothing that's happened in the past year.


________________________
"Every country has the government it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre
 
Posts: 1184 | Registered: 21 April 2007Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
... and when will Govt be banning lead from their ammunitions?
Cheers...
Con
 
Posts: 2198 | Location: Australia | Registered: 24 August 2001Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of Blacktailer
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Con:
... and when will Govt be banning lead from their ammunitions?
Cheers...
Con

They already started. there have been contracts let for 223 lead-free bullets.


Have gun- Will travel
The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark
 
Posts: 3830 | Location: Cave Creek, AZ | Registered: 09 August 2001Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
Geez,

Where does that terrible stuff come from anyway? Oh yeah. The ground.

LD


 
Posts: 7158 | Location: Snake River | Registered: 02 February 2004Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Pete E:
Now I know these claims against copper are pretty groundless, but so is the present ones against lead bullets; in reality both are just stratergies to attack shooting/hunting...


They are attacking powder in the same way, using groundless claims. A local firechief won't allow a gunshop to carry 1lb containers of powder. Reason? "They are located in a strip plaza". Confused
 
Posts: 539 | Registered: 14 February 2003Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Any of the rest of you notice that political ass pirations run on stupidity !.

Just look to your local government body and multiply that stupidity 10K fold .It's a wonder we

still have a country in which to live .

Of course you all understand that's just temporary . When the Chinese decide paper is no longer

a payment option and you're all unarmed grouped into socialist mode . The great march begins

" Kool Aid " or " Gas " ? . archer
 
Posts: 4485 | Location: Planet Earth | Registered: 17 October 2008Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of bartsche
posted Hide Post
dancingWas having fun shooting my Vetterli today. 310 grain bullets down range every shot. Asked the fella who supplies me with the bullets to make me up another 500. When I explained about the wheel weights he asked me how old I was. I told him on the far end of 73. He told me he had more than 3 tons of wheel weights and he doubted if I could make a dent in it till I passed on. Seems about right to me. claproger


Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..
 
Posts: 10226 | Location: Temple City CA | Registered: 29 April 2003Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of fredj338
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by BECoole:
quote:
Originally posted by Pete E:
Now I know these claims against copper are pretty groundless, but so is the present ones against lead bullets; in reality both are just stratergies to attack shooting/hunting...


They are attacking powder in the same way, using groundless claims. A local firechief won't allow a gunshop to carry 1lb containers of powder. Reason? "They are located in a strip plaza". Confused

That's probably a fire code issue. Many of the shops around Socal won;t carry powder either for the same reason. Special powder magazine, etc. It's just easier to mail order the stuff anyway, cheaper too.


LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT!
 
Posts: 7752 | Location: kalif.,usa | Registered: 08 March 2001Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Yea, they dont allow them to sell powder but they can sell matches and lighter fluid. And they tell me its not policitcs.


My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost.
 
Posts: 6644 | Location: Wasilla, Alaska | Registered: 22 February 2005Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of fredj338
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Snowwolfe:
Yea, they dont allow them to sell powder but they can sell matches and lighter fluid. And they tell me its not policitcs.
]
Oh I agree, it's stupid, but most codes require a special storage facility for gun powder, but not cleaning fluids or even high octane booze. Roll Eyes


LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT!
 
Posts: 7752 | Location: kalif.,usa | Registered: 08 March 2001Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of bartsche
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by fredj338:
but not cleaning fluids or even high octane booze. Roll Eyes
Ok . Back off Fred. beerroger


Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..
 
Posts: 10226 | Location: Temple City CA | Registered: 29 April 2003Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of Kenati
posted Hide Post
It just occurred to me that the no lead ban would seriously affect 22 rimfire most of all. Can you imagine the cost of a brick of lead free 22 RF bullets?

I grew up shooting ground squirrels and jackrabbits in the foothills of California, the epicenter of condor country. I owe the most significant part of my ability to shoot a rifle accurately to the early days with a 22 RF. Later in college, the 22 RF pistol took me to two national championships then training and tryouts at the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs.

The point is, if it wasn't for the 22 RF I bet many of us would not be as competent or had as much trigger time as we would have otherwise. Makes me worry about future generations exposure to shooting due to the economics of lead-free ammunition.

Sounds like the antis are getting there way via the back door. Pisses me off!!
 
Posts: 1051 | Location: Dirty Coast | Registered: 23 November 2000Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Well now, I guess it's time to use teflon coated steel. Then the huggers will put vests on birds, not that it will help. Hehehehehehehehe
 
Posts: 26 | Location: South Park, Colorado | Registered: 29 August 2009Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
do your part, buy a bag of #8 shot a week and sprinkle it in condor country.

Rich


They didn't ban lead shot for bird hunting, not yet anyway. As many times as I miss I'm doing my share.
 
Posts: 188 | Location: Late,Great Golden State | Registered: 28 June 2009Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of fredj338
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by kcstott:
The big problem won't be getting lead but using it. We already have a California Condor lead free zone in California that completely restricts the possession of lead bullets in ammunition while in the area.
It won't be long before you won't be able to use your ammo unless it is lead free.

They currently onyl restrict non lead to public lands. Private land is another matter.


LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT!
 
Posts: 7752 | Location: kalif.,usa | Registered: 08 March 2001Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
It's just easier to mail order the stuff anyway, cheaper too.

Are we going to be able to order components with the new law signed in by Schwarzenegger????
 
Posts: 188 | Location: Late,Great Golden State | Registered: 28 June 2009Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by fredj338:

That's probably a fire code issue. Many of the shops around Socal won;t carry powder either for the same reason. Special powder magazine, etc. It's just easier to mail order the stuff anyway, cheaper too.


I'm sure it's a fire code issue - instituted by IDIOTS.

Don't go making excuses for these assholes and act like it's not an infringement. When you take products off the shelf, it makes them mysterious to the average Joe or average kid coming along. And it makes them easier to demonize. "So dangerous, we can't stock it." Roll Eyes

If these assholes had ever seen powder burn, maybe they'd realize how stupid they are.
 
Posts: 539 | Registered: 14 February 2003Reply With Quote
  Powered by Social Strata  
 


Copyright December 1997-2023 Accuratereloading.com


Visit our on-line store for AR Memorabilia