I was at the range this afternoon...

at the 200 meter berm, someone had stuck 6 shotgun shell hulls into the sand...as targets to shoot at...evidently not hitting them...

from the bench, I took 8 shots to hit the 6 shotgun shell hulls...

I had my scope set on 10 power...

so would you guys consider that load as accurate? hitting a shot gun shell hull at 200 meters?

If the shotgun hulls were .410 gauge, then I would consider that accurate.

Thats what ya get fer braggin!

Why did it take 8 shots?

I would say not only is your load accurate, but you rifle is sighted in pretty good.

Duckboat, Woodrow and Swamp Fox... that is what I love about some of my fellow forum members....
guys with a sense of humor!

450 NE # 2: thanks for the kudos....

I have had some folks locally criticize that load, and question its accuracy....

a lot of folks are around who will criticize what you do, but then they don't show you what they can do, ( which is usually worse than what they criticized you for!)

I look for varmint loads to be good for 200 yds for sage rats..this was done with cheap Varmint Nightmare Extreme bulk bullets from Mid South, in a 223... and using Small Pistol Primers stbstituted since Small Rifle Primers are hard to get...

I was pretty damed sure you were proud of that shooting.

I'm about to do a postal competition that is usually won by the guy that can rack up extra points by hitting .22 caliber dots on the target.
Oh yea, you gotta shoot prone.

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I was pretty damed sure you were proud of that shooting.

actually not really S/Fox...

shooting those little sage rats, at that distance and beyond, I consider that MY rifle and load need to be that capable...

it was just a target of opportunity...

I brought it up here to having some criticism of the load I was using is all....

but I don't think you can argue with the results...

but you know the forum here, we have more than our share of "experten" as the Germans like to call them...

the rifle was a Rem ADL, with a 4.5 x 14 Simmons scope on it, and I had it set on 10 power at the time.....

I practice....in two days this weekend, and two trips to the range, I managed to shoot off 120 rounds of 223 ammo out of two bolt action rifles...handloads of course...

a Rem ADL and a Rem VSS....testing loads and testing accuracy...

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I was at the range this afternoon...

at the 200 meter berm, someone had stuck 6 shotgun shell hulls into the sand...as targets to shoot at...evidently not hitting them...

from the bench, I took 8 shots to hit the 6 shotgun shell hulls...

I had my scope set on 10 power...

so would you guys consider that load as accurate? hitting a shot gun shell hull at 200 meters?

How would I know? I've never been able to do it so....?! But lets just say it's better than anything I have ever done - for whatever that might be worth!

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so would you guys consider that load as accurate? hitting a shot gun shell hull at 200 meters?

Usually I just try to hit the primers....using the entire hull is cheating around here.

I light matches at 200 yards. Just kidding. That is great shooting and some great loads. I thought I had some good loads for my .243, but I'm not sure they're that good.

great shooting..
if you REALLY wanted to impress us, you would have said "9mm rim fires"

If you ask me it was 3-4 shots too many!!! A true p-dogger as yourself should have had at least 1 or 2 doubles!!!! LOL
I had a Ruger M77VT 22-250 that I could hit .223 brass about 90-95% at 100 yards w/ a 6.5-20x Leupy on it.
Had to sell the rifle due to hard times about 8 years ago. Guy told me I could buy it back when I got back on my feet and the $#%!*%# wont sell it back to me now that he has shot it. That rifle could outshoot a Cooper I had at the time. Was loading the Barnes VLC bullets. I had lots of groups on the wall in the .1's at 100 w/ that rifle. The trick was never to clean it. Moly or no moly that rifle loved to be filthy. If I cleaned it really well it it took 25-30 shots to settle down and then it would just shoot bugholes.

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Ruger M77VT 22-250 that I could hit .223 brass about 90-95% at 100 yards

A friend of mine has one of those. He ramdonly chops and changes his loads, has never actually 'developed' a load and that thing hits whatever he aims at out beyond 200yds! It's amazing! He doesn't clean it either but that is out of lazyness - he says that's why he bought a stainless rifle.

I left out some info, according to a PM I got.. and they were right...

Rifle was a Rem ADL, chamberd in 223.

bullet was a 55 grain Mid South Varmint Xtreme and the brass was Remington, with a CCI Small Pistol Primer.....MV was 2400 fps...

That's some fine shooting Seafire!

Was it with some of your reduced charge loads?

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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so would you guys consider that load as accurate? hitting a shot gun shell hull at 200 meters?

Usually I just try to hit the primers....using the entire hull is cheating around here.

And I thought I was the only one who deprimed this way!

V-Dog must use the RCBS (Roll-Crimp Bullet Special) manual deprimer too

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Originally posted by Roll-Crimp:
And I thought I was the only one who deprimed this way!

V-Dog must use the RCBS (Roll-Crimp Bullet Special) manual deprimer too

Yup....is it legal to have this much fun?.....

It could have been better if you were using reduced Blue Dot loads!

I would say that it is accurate if in fact that was the 200 meter burm and not the 200 YARD burm. At 200 yards, you should have been able to accomplish that in just 7 shots.

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Originally posted by graybird:
It could have been better if you were using reduced Blue Dot loads!

oh it could have been.....

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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so would you guys consider that load as accurate? hitting a shot gun shell hull at 200 meters?

Usually I just try to hit the primers....using the entire hull is cheating around here.

Someone who claims to JUST hit the primers at 200yds is a braggart, someone who just shoots the primers at 100yds is lazy.

Eight shoots for six hits is pretty good at 200m
Personally I go for golf balls past 100yards, they are still less than half the size of the actual targets I shoot at that range.

Now water filled soda cans at 300 is FUN.
Particularly if you mix some unsweetened Koolaid
(any RED flavor) into the water before filling the cans and shooting

AD

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Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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so would you guys consider that load as accurate? hitting a shot gun shell hull at 200 meters?

Usually I just try to hit the primers....using the entire hull is cheating around here.

Someone who claims to JUST hit the primers at 200yds is a braggart,
AD

It's the internet.....I always shoot a lot better on the internet!!!

Seafire ; I would have been far more impressed if you were able to hit those shot shells

with a shotgun load at 200 meters !.

There is a clown lurking in all of us and at times we must let it out to remain sane !.

seafire2 ----- I would consider that a very accurate rifle, and anyone here would that is a shooter, instead of an internet talker. Good shooting.

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Originally posted by Woodrow S:
Thats what ya get fer braggin!

HaHa!

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Personally I go for golf balls past 100yards, they are still less than half the size of the actual targets I shoot at that range.

I also enjoy doing that when folks have brought out golf balls and thrown them out there to shoot...

I haven't brought any out myself, but do enjoy shooting at what has been left out there at times..

you see that a lot on the 100 yd berm which I enjoy shooting with the CZ 452 chambered in 22 LR...

of course there is the occasional bird that will land on a target stand, or is out on the berm looking for worms.. or even the once in a blue moon sage rat on the berm...

the kids enjoy soda cans of water at 200 yds, but then hate it when I make them go out and pick up the trash afterwards....

Cans of any soda from Wallyworld, great targets. Good shootin' by the way. Where the shells standing or prone?

Great shooting, John.

I watched a guy yesterday in the booth next to me with his custom .308 shoot golf-balls suspended from strings at 300 yards. Said he gets 1.5" groups at 500 yards but only started working up the load.

Scope - $2,000
Rifle - $4,000
Accuracy - PRICELESS.

Sounds accurate enough for me..

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Originally posted by aerostarp:
Great shooting, John.

I watched a guy yesterday in the booth next to me with his custom .308 shoot golf-balls suspended from strings at 300 yards. Said he gets 1.5" groups at 500 yards but only started working up the load.

Scope - $2,000
Rifle - $4,000
Accuracy - PRICELESS.

That would be a fun thing to do, golf balls on strings at 300 yds... did you notice how he had the balls attached to the string?

That would seperate the men from the boys...

1.5 inch groups at 500 yds, I'll have to see that directly to "believe" that claim...

but I have seen guys that can do it all day also...one local guy is 80 years old and does it.... simply amazing to watch what he can do with a rifle...

and he isn't doing it with $4k Rifles and $2k Scopes...

oh and his favorite two Rounds? 6.5 x 308 and the good old 243... he is a model 70 Man also..

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but I have seen guys that can do it all day also...one local guy is 80 years old and does it....

That is amazing - and heart warming! (Makes me feel inadequate but gives me hope just the same).
I enjoy hearing about the accuracy you and other folks produce.

seafire...why such a low muzzle velocity on that load? I have a Model 70 Win varminter and I shoot the Hornady 53 gr match out of it at 3300 fps and it's quite accurate. I know I could hit those shotshells. I have a Remington 541S custom sporter 22 rimfire that I can hit shotshells at 100 yards easy with it, but I can shoot target staples out at the same distance with it. I done that exact thing to my friends target after he had just stapled it up and it folded over and he started laughing. He ordered two rifles like mine, kept the best looking one and sold the other...that staple shooting impressed him on the accuracy of that rifle.

I'd be more impressed if you could hit the shotshell case heads at that distance. Never the less, good shooting.

why such a slow load?
first off its a walking varminter...

lower velocity and using less powder, keeps the barrel much cooler... it allows you to see your hits in the scope without losing sight picture..

the 55 grains SPs are actually more explosive at this lower velocity...

I limit the range of this particular rifle, to under 225 yds or so, which accounts for about the distance of about 95& of the varmints I see...

Hornet velocities Triple the life span of the barrel, plus even more dramtically increasing the life span of brass...

it allows me to use small pistol primers with no concerns about ignition or anything else, which is handy considering the primer shortages....

it is also cheaper to shoot than a 22 Mag...

the bullets cost 8 cents a piece....

a pound of powder also yields from 500 to 660 rounds, depending if I am using Blue Dot or SR 4759..so its pretty economical...

all in all, even tho I have 223s, that I can load to 3300 fps, the need for that much velocity is not really needed for shooting 200 yds or less located targets..

traded off one rifle that had over 15,000 rounds down the barrel using these reduced loads
and it still held its accuracy!

Well...I suggest you try cast bullets then. For those up to 225 yards shots, such as you mentioned, my Colt HBAR is just the ticket. Hardly any scope movement because of the flash hider and semi auto actions sucking up some of the recoil, plus stock configuration...I can watch my shots. My farther prairie dog shot with it was 375 yards. Fun rifle.

Joe

Joe,

I'm a bolt action guy....don't care for the ARs...

Actually I sort of tailor my loads for the job at hand...

haven't cast bullets yet...

however who knows what the future may hold...