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Here ya go.. this will be an unedited version of the "Greatest cartridges ever invented" my only "condition" is that the rounds have to have been production at one time or other... 22 lr 45lc 308 or 303 8x57 45/70 12ga opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | ||
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Oh come on Jeffe. Listing the obsolete 45-70 and leaving off the 30-06 Springfield! Come on get real. The 45-70 was a flop from the day it hit the field in the Trap Door. Maybe not Join the NRA | |||
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Most people who own and use rifles also shoot shotguns, at least occasionally. Yet there are millions of shotgun shooters the world over who have never owned or used a rifle. Since the 12-ga. is generally the most popular gauge the world over, closely followed by the 16 ga., it is probable that the 12 ga. is the most widely used cartridge ever! "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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Savage... <grin> 30-06? heh.. great round.. .you proposing that one?1?! jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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They were or are all great! It's just that some enjoy a shorter adulation by loonies. If I were to consider which had the greatest influence I'd say the .45-70, .22 RF, 30-30, mebbe the .30-40 Krag. Not in any particular order, and not for what they are, but what they led to.  If yuro'e corseseyd and dsyelixc can you siltl raed oaky? | |||
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In no particular order: 22 Long Rifle 375 H&H Magnum 7x57 Mauser 300 Weatherby Magnum 35 Whelen | |||
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From a pure accuracy standpoint the 6mm ppc is without comparison. Butch | |||
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Depends on application 22 LR 45 ACP 44 Mag 7x57/6.5x55 375 H&H 12 ga 3" The year of the .30-06!! 100 years of mostly flawless performance on demand.....Celebrate...buy a new one!! | |||
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Greatest, as in widest general utility: 22 long rifle 30'06 375 H&H 44 magnum 12 ga Greatest, as in technological advances from which other innovations flowed: 22 short 8mm Lebel 30 WCF 45 ACP 300 H&H | |||
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.22 LR .222 Rem .284 Win .30-30 Win. .308 Win .30-06 Spfld. .300 Win 9x19mm .38 Spl .357 Mag .375 H&H .378 Wtby .44 Mag .45 LC .45 ACP .458 Lott 20ga 12ga These or their offspring will perform any task as well as any others. For example the .460 will thump DG as well as .600 NE IMO. But greatness is hard to define here. The 7x57 is great, and the 8x57 spurred the development of the /06. I was going to include PPCs but didn't know if they had ever been factory. I based mine on the ability of the cartridge to "sum up" in performance a large group of other chamberings or being parent to offspring that span a broad range of performance. | |||
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22 HORNET 30-30 30-06 45-70 7.62X54 7.62X39 And manny moorre Dwindling the worlds lead supply one cat at a time!! | |||
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Well.....I agree but you have to add to that a whole lot of 16" naval guns, 105 Howitzers, .45 ACPs M1 carbines, the 50BMG, a gagillion more cartridges used in naval and ground artilery and a couple little nukes!!!! My favorite all timers are the 22 LR (and family) .223 Rem (and family) .308 (and family) .30-06 (and family) .375 H&H (and family) 12 Ga Did I leave anyone out? /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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12 ga. 22 lr .308 There are a ton more but one of those three will kill it if it roams/flys this half of the world. | |||
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.22 LR, 7x57, .375 H&H. With these and possibly a .22 centerfire, you are good to go wherever. Of course you also could throw the .30-06 in the mix, or replace the 7x57 with it. I could hunt the rest of my life with a .22, .220 Swift, 7x57 and .375, but I don't want to. Actually most discussions of calibers are meaningless,as there are so many useful ones and the arguments are just mental exercise. A shot not taken is always a miss | |||
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For a cartridge to be great, it has to break a lot of ground AND earn its keep through sustained use. 22 Short and 22 LR 22-250 5.56 NATO 270 WCF 6.5x55 7x57 8x57 Most other military cartridges of the World Wars WWII 30-30 WCF 7.62x39 7.62 NATO 30-06 The fast 300's: Win, H&H, Wby. 338 Winchester Magnum 35 Whelen 9.3x62 375 Holland & Holland 45/70 470 NE Handgun 45 ACP/45 Colt 454 Casull 44 Magnum 38 Special Time will tell about the 475 Linebaugh. Okie John "The 30-06 works. Period." --Finn Aagaard | |||
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What Vapodog said, and to his list I would add the 20mm cannon and RPG's.  Actually I would have to say the 284 win, 8X57, 30-06, 308 win 375 H&H and 338 WM simply because of the many other great cartridges that they grandfathered. And a few additional ones that are really stand outs on their own (at least to me) are: 22lr 223 rem 22-250 6mm ppc 257 improved 6.5/284 270 Win 7-08 win 280 Rem 30-30 Win 300 WSM (I know, I know, hasnt earned its place among the greats yet, but I predict that it will.) 8X68s 338-06 358 winchester 35 Whelen 358 Norma 376 Steyr (same disclaimer as 300 wsm) 416 Rigby 44 Mag 45 Lc and 45-70 (naturally) OK, which greats have I forgotten? | |||
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 Hell othe Campfire: The greatest cartridge? Lets see, What do we mean by greatest? The most used, the most useful, the most historically important? The largest in common use? We need to define our terms a little better to name the "greatest" cartridge. My list: 1. all 22 rimfires (but not the .22mag.)short long and long rifle ( plus .22CB) These are the ones most of us started with and are still great for practice and plinking. These are FUN and cheap can be had almost anywhere and are quiet. If I were limited to one gun it would be a .22. 2. .38 special. Plenty of power for defense, plentyful, again cheap, anyone can shoot it. The standard round for the police for many years. 3. 30-06 does anything asked of it, easy to load, not too bad to shoot if you are not used to it, found world roung, part of the arsonal of freedom. And I don't have one ina hunting rifle. 4. .45 ACP Same as the 30-06 but not easy to shoot. Makes a satifying boom. Saved my dad's life in the Philippines during the unreat of the 1940's. The ony problem I have is getting the cartridges to headspace correctly when reloading. 5. 44-40 and 44 Smith and Wesson (Russian and American). Gave the average person the ability to have a gun for defense and hunting. Having a rifle and handgun in the same cal. made things easier, less to carry on foot or horseback. 6. 10, 12 and 16 gauge shotgun shells, perfect for so many things. Anyone can shoot them. Game getters. About the only guns as useful as a .22 rimfire. 7. What ever the Martini Rifles for Great Britain were chamberd for. Opened up the world. Made large game hunting a reality. Easy to reload. Still around and being used. I tried for the top ten, but these were all I could justify off the top of my head. 8-whatever, The cartridge that you are using and enjoy. The one that you just have to have to complete your battery. The ones that you will give to your grandchildren. These are the greatest cartridges of all because you are passing down a heritage of freedom. Judge Sharpe A slow moving, once fast draw outlaw. Is it safe to let for a 58 year old man run around in the woods unsupervised with a high powered rifle? | |||
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22 rf without a doubt. 30-06, it was the first successful smokeless round on the battlefield (no offense to our allies, and to our continental friends, well, you lost), and transcended that role in the sporting fields as well. 375 H&H, possibly the only hunting cartridge that really is in a class of it's own. Think about it, what other sporting caliber has had only one cartridge universally chosen to launch bullets of it's caliber? What other chambering is universally considered suitable for all big game? 44 magnum, it ushered in the world of handgun hunting, and has always been considered a good choice for such use. 45 acp, It's worked well from day one, and it is another example of a chambering that really is the only one chosen for it's caliber. 12 ga, the general purpose do it all shotgun chambering. Interesting, excepting the 44 mag, all the great ones have been around about 100 years. __________________________________________________ The AR series of rounds, ridding the world of 7mm rem mags, one gun at a time. | |||
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Some of you don't leave much room for a mistake I see!  30-06 rifle pre 64 m-70 or Mauser small ring. 45 ACP pistol Colt Comm. 1911 auto 12 ga. Boss double and of course the .22LR in a Win. Mod 63 auto.... Guess I need/like at least a 404 for Africa, but the 06 would do if it had to. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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22 Hornet 218 Bee 219 Donaldson Wasp 222 Remington 25-20 25-35 257 Roberts 270 Winchester 30-30 Winchester 30-06 300 Winchester Magnum 303 32 S&W Long 32-20 338 Winchester Magnum 35 Remington 38 Special 357 S&W Magnum 38-55 375 H&H 38-40 10mm Automatic 40-65 Winchester 405 Winchester 416 Rigby 44-40 44 S&W Magnum 444 Marlin 45 Colt 45-70 All the Nitro Express cartridges 16 guage Boycott Natchez Shooters Supplies, Inc | |||
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i have to throw in another aye on the 376... those that own them are people who have found what COOL rounds are.... jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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No particular order... .22 lr .220 swift .257 Roberts .270 Win 7x57m .30-30 WCF .30-06 .300 Weatherby .338 Win .375 H&H .416 Rigby .450x3 1/4 Nitro .500 Jeffery .577 Nitro 9mm parabellum .357 mag .44 Mag .45 Colt .45 acp .475 Linebaugh 16 gauge 10 gauge | |||
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You guys pick too many cartridges. Clearly for the rim fire, it has to be the .22lr, it is just a wonderful, useful rifle and pistol round. For Revolvers: The 44 RemMag, load it up or load it down, and you can shoot target, hunt, or use it for serious protection. There a bunch of fine pistols for it, from light five shooters to heavy weight hunting pieces. For Autoloading Pistols: The .40S&W, does for the autoloader what the .357Mag does for the revolver. Nice balance between capacity and throw weight, and controlable by most shooters. Again, there a bunch of really nice pistols available for it. For Centerfire Rifle: The 9.3x62. It can do it all; granted it is a compromise, but so are most things in life. It isn't what I'd pick for elephant, but it would suffice in a pinch and for most everything else, it will work very well. From elephant to white tail, that is a pretty versatile cartridge. And loaded hot, you don't give anything away to light magnums out to 300 yards using 250BT's. An amazing cartridge. For shotguns: 12 gauge. It will do it all. And I'd probably take my old 1100, which shoots buck and slugs well and has taken 23/25 skeet which is as good as I can shoot. Kudude There others I like, but I could get by nicely with those. Kudude | |||
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'06 . IV minus 300 posts from my total (for all the times I should have just kept my mouth shut......) | |||
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My $0.02: 22 LR-small game, plinking, varmint, target 22-250 Rem-varmint, predator 6mm Rem-predator, medium game, "walking" rifle 6.5x55 SE-medium game-woods 270 Win-medium game-mountain/prairie 7mm Rem Mag-medium/heavy game-open terrain 308 Win-medium/heavy game-woods, tactical/target 7.62x39-intermediate tactical, plinking 375 H&H-most utilitarian rifle, need I say more 45-70-close range heavy game, BPCR 41 Rem Mag-medium game handgun 45 ACP-defensive handgun, IDPA 12 gauge-short range do it all 50 Cal ML-do it all muzzlestuffer BH1 There are no flies on 6.5s! | |||
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22 LR 308 416 Rigby Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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22LR 7mm RM 30-30win 12 ga | |||
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I am free today because of .69 caliber lead balls, black powder, good flint, guts, and a rare breed of men long gone from our statusque.... The grand .30-06 a mighty fine instrument helping us to persevere last century "during our finest hour". When the list narrows and gives us only one choice to make however.......... Nothing is even close to the '06! BigRx | |||
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Ok, why not ... here's my list: Pistol Cartridge Greats: 22 LR 44 Mag 45 ACP 30-30 (EABCO & T/C) Rifles 22 LR 30-06 Spfd 300 WinMag 375 HH 416 Rigby 458 Lott 50 BMG Shotgun 12 ga The 30-30 makes my list as a great pistol cartridge. It's a fine round in it's own right, but with the right attention and loads, can really shine from a T/C for deer and still remain pleasant to shoot. I'm listing three rifle cartridges in the 30 - .375 caliber ranges, but I really feel if you own one, you can generally get by (not do well, mind you, but get by) without the other two ... expecially if you own a .416 for anything you don't feel "good" about hunting with a .30 cal. I do like and have a lot of respect for all three of those listed, but I personally adhere to the .300 win / .416 Rigby option instead of the one-planet/one-gun theory. If I just had to absolutely narrow the list down to one cartridge and one caliber. For pistols I'd say .44 Mag, and rifles I'd have to say .416 Rigby. That .416 will kill anything any other caliber can kill just as dead as it can. Is someone going to put some sort of Excel spreadsheet or chart together or something with some distribution graphs? That would be pretty neat to see. ====================================== Cleachdadh mi fo m' féileadh dé tha an m' osan. | |||
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I may have missed it, but all this talk of great magnum cartridges and no mention of the 30 and 35 Newtons? If he and Winchester could have gotten along, how would the cartridge landscape be different today? I think the standard 300 mags are great, and love my 358 Norma, but Newton invented these 30+ years before anyone else thought to copy his designs. | |||
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They were: 22lr 12gge 7X57 30-06 222 375 H&H If Chuck Norris dives into a swimming pool, he does not get wet. The swimming pool gets Chuck Norris. | |||
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Without doubt the .22lr. Like they say at McDonalds, Billions and Billions shot. Next pick your favorite smokeless powder centerfire and argue to your hearts content about which is the best one because it depends more on what you are familiar with rather than any logical discussion. Then the 12 ga. RELOAD - ITS FUN! | |||
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375H&H, 30.06, in no particular order Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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In centerfire rifle i can make a good case for the 338-06 as having a wide range of bullets of fine quality available in weights and sectional densities that make sense in North America/Canada. In centerfire pistol, i vote for the 10mm Auto, which is about the limit for blowback semiautos that one can afford. In centerfire revolver, nothing beats the 44 Mag for flexibility and range of legitimate application. King of them all, however, is the 22 Long Rifle which EVERYONE can shoot to their capability, costs pennys, fills the pot and is just plain fun. | |||
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22 LR 17 HMR 41 Rem mag 7x57 Mauser 270 Win 30-06 Springfield 404 Jeffery 16 ga 28 ga Good hunting, Andy ----------------------------- Thomas Jefferson: “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” | |||
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.22long rifle .22-250 J.E.Gebby .220 swift .25-06' .270 winchester .30-.30 winchester .30-06'springfield .357 magnum .340 Weatherby .350 Griffin@Howe .375 Weatherby .458 lott .460 Weatherby  If it cant be Grown it has to be Mined! Devoted member of Newmont mining company Underground Mine rescue team. Carlin East,Deep Star ,Leeville,Deep Post ,Chukar and now Exodus Where next? Pete Bajo to train newbies on long hole stoping and proper blasting techniques. Back to Exodus mine again learning teaching and operating autonomous loaders in the underground. Bringing everyday life to most individuals 8' at a time! | |||
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Rifles: .22 LR .223 Remington 7x57 .30-06 8x57 JS Shotguns: 12 Ga. Handguns: 9mm .45 ACP .357 Magnum .44 Magnum | |||
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1) 6.5 x 55. Nothing invented since has improved on its ability to kill animals up to 300 lb. 2) 8 x 57. It is the mother of rimless cartridges. Its as good as or better than almost all of them (6.5 x 55, 7 x 57 may beat it). P.S. Some of you guys might as well copy and paste a reloading manual. ______________________________ DT | |||
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