They used to send a slip inside the box of bullets--now they must want you to spend the $$$$ for the book that's full of errors.
(If they'd redo the book I'd buy it).

Could someone give me charges for 30-06, 300 wby, and 30-378? Otherwise I'll probably start at currrent max +1 grain and see what happens. Thanks kraky

I have both the manual and the corrections. Tell me what powders you use, what bullet weight, and if they're coated or not, and I'll post the info.

Thanks for your help.
They are 130 grain .308 xlc (coated).
I have just about every gunpowder on hand.
The 2 guns I am most interested in are the 30-06 and 300 wby.
Can you give me the top 4 velocity loads
at max for these calibers--I will reduce and work up.
I have the barnes black and red manuals.
Figure I'm real safe using the red manual and adding 1 grain to the max load of the uncoated bullet. thanks for your effort!

According to my Manual #3, they list the following as the top velocity loads for the 130 gr XLC BT, bc-.374, sd-.196.

.30-06, Win case, Fed 210M primer, 24" barrel:
61.0 gr., Big Game, 3,362 fps
55.0 gr., Win 748, 3,343 fps
63.5 gr., Win 760, 3,340 fps
63.0 gr., H414, 3,279 fps
62.5 gr., IMR4350, 3,261 fps

.300 Wby, Wby case, Fed 215M primer, 24" barrel:
89.0 gr., IMR4831, 3,716 fps
91.0 gr., RE22, 3,707 fps
85.5 gr., IMR4350, 3,685 fps
83.5 gr., Win 760, 3,681 fps

.30-378 Wby, Wby case, Fed 215M primer, 26" barrel:
118.0 gr., RE25, 3,958 fps
111.0 gr., RE22, 3,955 fps
112.0 gr., IMR7828, 3,922 fps

All of the above loads are the MAXIMUM shown in the book. I don't have to tell you what that means. If you need any more info, let me know. I, for one, am a firm believer in Barnes bullets, and will do everything I can to help others get the most out of them.

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Thanks ever so much 6.5 Guy!! Hope I can return the favor some day. I have quickload software but it can't deal with these bullets. I have been using Barnes x-bullets that have been done in a tumbler with moly and have also coated some with ms moly.--wish I got to the range more and could post all the results. I just hate to look at some of this loaded ammo in a zip lock bag knowing it's getting to be 3 yrs old and I haven't tested it!! Thanks again!! d kraky

Don, If its any help now I am shooting the 130 grain XLCs in a .308 and a 300WSM and with both barrels I had to seat DEEPER than Barnes' rec. .050 to get them close to MOA. Sounds odd for a 30 cal but both the 130 150 grn. XLCs like a long jump, in my barrels at least. Good Luck.

6.5 does it have the 300RUM in it.mine likes the 135 berger coated with RL22.
would like a load for the 130 XLC and RL22 for it.
seems the 130 X at warp speed would be nice whitetail medicine.

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Eric,

Barnes Manual #3 lists the following loads for the .300 RUM, 130 gr. XLC BT bullet, R-P case, Rem 9 1/2 primer, 26" barrel:

99.5 gr, RE19, 3,793 fps
107.0 gr, RE25, 3,860 fps
96.5 gr, IMR4831, 3,791 fps

These are all MAXIMUM loads listed, so watch yourself. The powders they recommend are RE19 and 4831.

They don't have a load listed for RE22, so what I'd do if I were you and wanted to use RE22 would be to start a couple of grains lower than the RE19 max load, and carefully work your way up.

Working with the .300 RUM is tricky. I worked up a load for my buddy's .300 RUM using 180 gr XLCs and N165. It's overbore enough that you can be going along one grain at a time and the pressure rises suddenly adding just one more grain from the last safe load.

I think RE22 would be about ideal for this bullet/cartridge combo, so I'd give it a try. It's a bit curious why they don't have a load listed for it. Maybe they ran out of RE22 while testing this cartridge.

Good luck, and be safe.

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i got some of all the powders you listed.will try them first.3800 sounds good to me.
let you know how it goes in a couple weeks.

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Can anyone tell me what the XLC coating actually is? Does the XLC leave a considerable coating buildup or create a cleaning issue? I obviously haven't had any experience with these, but I am looking at the VLC's as well as the XLC's to load. Thanks for your input. GREG

Greg,

Barnes says the coating is a super high tech dry film lubricant that is applied by state of the art spray equipment and then heat cured.
I would recommend using the Lyman VLD inside deburring tool, so you do minimum damage to the coating when seating the bullets. Don't be surprised to see some of the coating scraped off when you seat the bullets. I talked to a tech at Barnes, and he said that there is excess coating on the bullets, and it doesn't matter if some gets rubbed of when seating the bullets. Apparently it only takes a very light coating of this stuff to work its magic.
Another advantage is that the copper is not exposed to the air and it won't tarnish and turn dull like regular bullets. They will always be bright blue.

Ken, good call on the Lyman tool. I switched to one a few weeks ago and it made a huge difference. The standard tool caused so much XLcoating to come off I was having to tap it out of my seating die. Let me know if you guys have to seat them deeper than your normal loads in order to get them to shoot well.
Thanks