In 1972 taylor built one and introduced it in 1974 bob hagle wrote about it made one from who.s? reamers he called his the 338, 416 in 1973-4- waters got one from ruger and wooters wrote on it about then he whooters says they were all cut from the same reamers so what is the streight scoop are you out there bob if you are out there and get this whats the story are they all uped .338.s or all downed .458,s and are there or are there not 2 sizes of reamer

I've made 416 brass using both 458 and 338. Both needed to be fired to form a sharp shoulder.

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Originally posted by ramrod340:
I've made 416 brass using both 458 and 338. Both needed to be fired to form a sharp shoulder.

How did you decipher that mess? Or did you just guess that your answer would be appropriate?

I think he is going to be waiting a long time for Bob Hagel to answer. He has been dead 3 years.

I believe one can also make .416 Taylor brass from .358 Norma brass!

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How did you decipher that mess? Or did you just guess that your answer would be appropriate?

I thought I would give people something to make nice negative comments about.

I have built two 416 Taylors over the years. Mine had the same dimensions as the 264 and 338 simply in 416. Chambers could have been cut with either of those reamers and then simply necked reamed to 416. Since the 264 and 338 are simply nothing more than necked down 458s then a 416 Taylor would be as well. The parent of all three is the 458.

As I stated I have necked up 338 and necked down 416. neither one gives me a perfect case without firing. Since I first read the question as what was the best case to use. But then I'm just not that quick in my old age.

Now to futher confuse the issue in looking at Steves pages, Ammoguide and 4d reamer dimensions on their 416 reamer they all show a shoulder forward of the 338 and 30 degree not 25 degree shoulder. So as to the first quextion is there two reamers?

So I think I'll just stop before I get more negative comments.

I've made cases for my 375 Taylor from .338 and .458 Winny. I make 90% of my cases from .338, but I think 458 will make "better" cases for the 416 T.

Techinically, the 416 T has a slightly different shoulder configuration than the 264 or 338. Ramrod's got the right idea going with a .416-338 IMO

And in actuality, my 375 T is a .375-338.

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Techinically, the 416 T has a slightly different shoulder configuration than the 264 or 338

Muskeg, Until looking up info for this post I had always functioned under the impression that the 416T had the same shoulder dimensions as the 338 & 264. I was told that by the smith that built my first. I'm pretty sure he simply used a 338 Reamer. Here is an example of sites listing those dimensions.
http://www.geocities.com/bw_99835/
I had my second Taylor built by another smith and we didn't discuss dimensions. I did load both with the same RCBS dies. As I stated above and you made note of I have also found a number of sources on the web showing the shoulder .08" forward of the 338 and 30 deg not 25.

Since I no longer have either rifle, dies or cases I can't check what I did in fact have. Heck maybe I had one of each dimension and got by using the same dies because after forming I set up to headspace on the shoulder. Now I just suffer with "touch much info".

Well that was a little muddled up and as we all know clarity is godly. about a month ago I read on a thread here [AR] that brass sized up from 338 brass and shot in the 416 338 won,t drop in the 416 Taylor. And as we all know and have learned the hard way when you read it on AR it’s the AR way or the highway, so then I read Hagel's 416 338 report 1973-4 and Waters report 416 Taylor 1974 and wonder if there were 2 original reamers or just one STANDARD size for the 416 Taylor wild cat [you know standard wildcat standard] or is it all the same case dimension just two names sorry we lost bob had not got the news there

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Well that was a little muddled up and as we all know clarity is godly. about a month ago I read on a thread here [AR] that brass sized up from 338 brass and shot in the 416 338 won,t drop in the 416 Taylor

Shoulder dimensions I've see show .491 for a 338 and .489 for some of the 416T sites. I have no clue if that would stop a necked up 338 from chambering in a chamber cut for the .489.

Seems this was cussed and discussed 3 years ago here on AR

http://forums.accuratereloadin.../4711043/m/556100515

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Originally posted by ramrod340:
I thought I would give people something to make nice negative comments about.

What negative? I'm in awe.

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Originally posted by Winchester 69:

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Originally posted by ramrod340:
I've made 416 brass using both 458 and 338. Both needed to be fired to form a sharp shoulder.

How did you decipher that mess? Or did you just guess that your answer would be appropriate?

because theres a dimension descrepency between the taylor and the new saami taylor cases, so it is said. Ramrod just made it easy to understand.

I think "deciphering the mess" refered to the construction of the sentences in the original question, not ramrod340's answer. You gotta admit, that will deserve a posting in the "Announcements" forum for longest single sentence in the month of July.

I found making 416 taylor brass out of 458 brass easier then useing 338 brass. I have lost more 338 cases then when using 458 brass.