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Hello all, My current project is a 50-110 winchester on a single shot SB2 frame. Does anybody have a favourite powder for the following purpose? - 500 grain bullet in 50-110 winchester. - Giving good balance of higher f.p.s.and lower c.u.p. (I'm hoping for velocity above 1800 fps and pressure under 34000 cup.) I have found that getting help on this stuff from you folks really shortens my research and field testing. I appreciate it on the big bores. (re. time and recoil. I'm getting a bit long in the tooth.) Thanks, in advance for any suggestions. Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | ||
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I never loaded my 50-110s that fast; what is an SB2 frame? It is going to be something in the 4350 range. | |||
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I use IMR-3031 for the rally heavy bullets. Gulf of Tonkin Yacht Club NRA Endowment Member President NM MILSURPS | |||
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Cartridge : .50-110 Win
Bullet : .510, 500, Woodleigh FN 82
Useable Case Capaci: 75.905 grain H2O = 4.928 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.750 inch = 69.85 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 34000 psi, or 234 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 100 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
98 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Accurate 2495 100.0 68.5 4.44 1963 97.2 32567 4210 1.580 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp 96.6 65.4 4.24 1962 99.3 34000 3938 1.531 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation 96.1 65.4 4.24 1962 99.3 34000 3939 1.531 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39 88.9 63.5 4.12 1956 99.9 34000 3757 1.546 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520 97.9 72.2 4.68 1949 92.9 34000 4122 1.544 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.6 100.0 72.1 4.67 1946 92.8 33864 4117 1.547 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 84.4 60.6 3.93 1939 98.3 34000 3839 1.547 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon BL-C2 96.3 73.6 4.77 1935 89.6 34000 4175 1.547 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 3031 100.0 65.4 4.24 1933 95.5 32525 4066 1.562 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 92.7 69.8 4.53 1925 90.9 34000 4051 1.548 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4895 100.0 70.0 4.53 1924 87.8 33586 4127 1.558 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 202 97.9 67.4 4.37 1922 93.9 34000 3958 1.556 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N540 100.0 70.7 4.58 1918 93.5 33868 4017 1.557 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H335 87.6 66.9 4.33 1914 93.7 34000 3924 1.556 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon CFE223 94.7 73.8 4.78 1914 87.2 34000 4107 1.552 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4895 96.6 67.6 4.38 1913 89.0 34000 4001 1.562 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S321 92.5 69.7 4.52 1912 90.6 34000 3991 1.563 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 10 86.8 64.9 4.21 1911 93.7 34000 3882 1.562 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2219 86.7 62.7 4.06 1911 95.1 34000 3832 1.555 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H322 92.3 62.7 4.06 1911 95.1 34000 3832 1.555 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223) 86.8 65.0 4.21 1910 93.7 34000 3877 1.562 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-10x 89.5 59.1 3.83 1907 98.3 34000 3706 1.575 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206H 96.6 67.6 4.38 1902 87.9 34000 3954 1.567 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 507 93.6 68.3 4.43 1902 90.0 34000 3917 1.562 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2460 91.8 69.2 4.48 1900 91.7 34000 3884 1.581 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.5 92.1 69.2 4.48 1900 91.7 34000 3884 1.581 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N140 99.7 68.4 4.43 1900 94.2 34000 3807 1.560 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2015 93.1 62.3 4.04 1900 97.6 34000 3692 1.581 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Wild Boar 94.9 70.9 4.60 1899 87.3 34000 3957 1.561 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 200 86.1 58.9 3.82 1898 98.9 34000 3641 1.599 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA11 100.0 70.0 4.53 1897 86.3 32990 4006 1.575 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 100.0 70.0 4.53 1897 86.3 32990 4006 1.575 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 100.0 70.0 4.53 1897 86.3 32990 4006 1.575 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 100.0 74.5 4.83 1896 85.7 33766 4030 1.562 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N530 92.6 65.1 4.22 1895 90.3 34000 3866 1.566 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 9 97.2 70.2 4.55 1892 87.5 34000 3908 1.564 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 201 98.0 67.1 4.35 1891 90.3 34000 3894 1.586 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R901 95.4 63.4 4.11 1891 93.7 34000 3837 1.605 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-12 91.9 65.5 4.25 1890 95.0 34000 3734 1.565 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203B 100.0 70.0 4.53 1888 86.8 32256 4005 1.587 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4 90.0 67.5 4.37 1886 91.5 34000 3788 1.581 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R902 99.9 67.4 4.37 1885 90.2 34000 3842 1.589 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2207 83.2 54.5 3.53 1884 100.0 34000 3377 1.574 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 8208 XBR 94.0 65.8 4.26 1883 90.0 34000 3788 1.571 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 50 100.0 72.8 4.72 1877 84.2 33811 3864 1.572 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S341 95.9 72.2 4.68 1876 86.9 34000 3803 1.568 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2230 90.9 68.9 4.46 1875 89.1 34000 3764 1.580 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 516 97.5 72.7 4.71 1875 83.7 34000 3861 1.570 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 7 96.6 72.5 4.70 1873 84.1 34000 3818 1.577 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S062 100.0 68.1 4.41 1869 89.3 31953 3859 1.606 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52 100.0 72.3 4.68 1868 83.9 33207 3864 1.582 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335 96.1 65.8 4.26 1867 95.0 34000 3636 1.592 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N133 97.5 62.5 4.05 1867 96.9 34000 3500 1.569 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4198 86.4 54.2 3.51 1861 98.9 34000 3348 1.566 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N130 91.1 59.6 3.86 1859 98.0 34000 3454 1.585 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 40 90.5 64.6 4.18 1858 89.1 34000 3696 1.592 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2210 86.3 62.4 4.04 1855 91.3 34000 3635 1.590 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-7 82.1 55.6 3.60 1854 98.6 34000 3402 1.597 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4320 100.0 68.8 4.46 1854 85.6 33153 3766 1.585 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N120 85.2 54.5 3.53 1853 100.0 34000 3114 1.581 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot X-Terminator 90.6 67.7 4.38 1853 87.4 34000 3686 1.591 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot TAC 93.4 70.5 4.57 1851 83.1 34000 3729 1.587 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2208 100.0 67.9 4.40 1851 85.7 33265 3735 1.588 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation 94.6 65.7 4.26 1850 88.5 34000 3629 1.583 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data 100.0 72.3 4.68 1848 83.3 32514 3778 1.599 ! Near Maximum !
Kazan Sunar 308W 86.4 59.2 3.83 1848 97.6 34000 3416 1.593 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2200 83.1 59.0 3.82 1846 92.6 34000 3539 1.588 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI BM2 83.9 62.5 4.05 1845 91.2 34000 3576 1.596 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon VARGET 100.0 67.7 4.39 1845 85.5 32949 3719 1.595 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 91.2 62.9 4.07 1844 90.9 34000 3576 1.597 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4064 100.0 68.5 4.44 1838 91.7 27056 3999 1.694
Hodgdon H380 100.0 71.5 4.63 1838 82.5 30939 3845 1.624 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 100.0 72.3 4.68 1837 83.8 30603 3908 1.625 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 100.0 70.7 4.58 1829 86.2 28321 3944 1.663
Norma 203 old 100.0 70.7 4.58 1829 86.2 28321 3944 1.663
Lovex S060 93.9 63.9 4.14 1828 87.7 34000 3532 1.602 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206 93.0 64.3 4.17 1823 88.4 34000 3500 1.603 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4064 100.0 66.1 4.28 1822 85.4 31610 3633 1.622 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP1 NT ~approximation 82.3 55.8 3.62 1821 94.1 34000 3329 1.591 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4198 82.6 54.3 3.52 1811 94.5 34000 3262 1.597 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 100.0 70.6 4.57 1805 78.6 33405 3519 1.601 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S355 100.0 68.5 4.44 1801 85.3 28235 3773 1.679
Vihtavuori N135 100.0 63.4 4.11 1786 93.4 26963 3600 1.703
IMR 4007 SSC 100.0 71.0 4.60 1782 77.3 31254 3544 1.650 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 100.0 73.4 4.76 1780 79.7 28137 3927 1.684
Alliant Reloder-17 100.0 73.4 4.76 1780 79.7 28137 3927 1.684
Rottweil R903 100.0 69.2 4.48 1776 84.3 26518 3764 1.712
Hodgdon H414 100.0 74.0 4.80 1766 74.4 28792 3686 1.678
Winchester 760 100.0 74.0 4.80 1766 74.4 28792 3686 1.678
ReloadSwiss RS 60 100.0 73.4 4.76 1762 78.8 27654 3903 1.700
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 100.0 69.5 4.50 1761 79.3 30398 3448 1.660 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 100.0 73.0 4.73 1750 76.8 31804 3313 1.658 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 100.0 71.5 4.63 1743 78.0 26082 3724 1.733
Rottweil R907 100.0 68.7 4.45 1722 75.4 28364 3387 1.717
Bofors RP7 100.0 68.7 4.45 1722 75.4 28364 3387 1.717
PB Clermont PCL 511 100.0 74.5 4.83 1722 73.5 26977 3596 1.727
Lovex S065 100.0 68.5 4.44 1709 77.8 26401 3422 1.752
Vihtavuori N150 100.0 66.0 4.28 1692 84.4 24738 3407 1.782
Norma URP 100.0 69.2 4.48 1676 75.4 24211 3488 1.794
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 100.0 69.2 4.48 1676 75.4 24190 3485 1.795
Lovex S070 100.0 69.2 4.48 1670 73.9 24610 3354 1.795
IMR 4350 100.0 69.6 4.51 1664 72.1 26175 3205 1.767
Ramshot Hunter 100.0 72.3 4.68 1659 71.2 24539 3396 1.797
Norma 204 100.0 72.3 4.68 1655 67.8 26098 3234 1.771 As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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Best powder of any on the list is RE17, or Swiss 60, which is same. If using that 50-110 case load it out a little, as I know it will hold 85 gr of RE17 and will still be 35,000 psi. And be over 1800 easy. But as long as you have singleshot if you can get brass make it 50-140, then it is easy to load with slower powders, to get speed, and low pressures, and cases size easier and brass lasts twice as long.Ed MZEE WA SIKU | |||
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Pauk, Thanks for the great data. Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Ed, Thanks very much for posting. I was about to write you about this. Good advice as usual. We are still having trouble getting Reloader powder up here in Canada. Same with Swiss powder. Can you make a suggestion for a substitute for Re 17 for this application? Also, right now, 50-140 brass is as rare as bird poop in a coo-coo clock. I will go with 50-110 and load it out a bit as you suggest. Also, as you know, I am having a ball with your 24GA. From Hell. (577 NE). I will get it blooded in Africa next month! Cheers, Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Hello Lane, Thanks for your post. Unfortunately we can't get Reloader powder up here in Canada these days, for some reason. IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Brian- If you can get them use Vv 540, Vv550, W760- H414, Ramshot Hunter. Folks; Notice I stay away from singlebase stick powders, even in 585HE and 24ga Fh, as they get to peak pressure faster and at the same peak pressure, expand brass more for about the same speed. We figure little more of right powder getting to same peak pressure and speed is cheaper than wearing out hard to find expensive cases. Ed MZEE WA SIKU | |||
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Thanks Ed, I think I will give N540 and/or H414 a whirl in the 50-110. Ed, How do you thing N540 or H414 would work in my 24GA. FH (577NE)? Too fast burning maybe? Right now N550 is the perfect volume in my 24GA FH for two cards and one fiber wad, but it leaves some unburned powder. Not that I worry about that. (116-118 grains/700 gr cast bullet.) IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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They would be fine in a bolt action or falling block at the same or more amounts than your using of N550, You got about the right load for the NEF and the N550 powder,116gr. You could use less of other two,100-105gr, and put in extra wad. As far a unburnt powder in hot climate it'll have less.Ed MZEE WA SIKU | |||
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Ed, OK. Sounds good. Thanks again, Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Ed, I am finally getting the picture about burn rates and "flat" pressure curves. Thanks, Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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The term I use is fuller pressure after the peak pressure, I as a wildcatter, think of how much speed we have versus case expansion. Say A singlebase powder that gets to peak at 4 milliseconds. Little slower, double base powder with a little more in the case, getting to same peak pressure, but taking twice as long to get to peak pressure, will have more speed and less case expansion. More speed as the overall pressure average is higher. We are not talking 20-30-40% speed difference, but 5-10%. And 10% more speed is 20% more energy.Ed MZEE WA SIKU | |||
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Ed, Interesting and useful info. Thanks, Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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