One of my favorite old timey calibers, I am building a bolt action for it, after having several 81s and 141s over the years. Now I want to load some hot loads (SAAMI limits them to 35K PSI which is ridiculous) I wanted to try some of the "bolt action only" loads that are in the 82 Shooting Times article, but my brass (WW) won't hold anywhere near those loads, and neither will my R-P. Even the low load of 36 grains of 3031 fills the case up.
Does anyone out there load any 35 Rems with any decent pressure, like up to 45K PSI, and if so, got any suggestions?

buy a 358 win or a 35 whelen

I used to have a Rem.600 in 35. Like a fool... I have thought about building a bolt gun. What are you building it on?

P dog; that does not answer my question; you may not have read my original post. I knew someone would say that. I have lots of more powerful rifles; I want a bolt action 35 Rem.
Rough, I am using a 96 Swede that I found in my stash as well as a 35 Whelen barrel that wasn't doing anything either. Classic Mauser stock. Here it is now, before finishing.

I read the question my answer is why push a cartridge past its design limits when there are some that well accomplish the same objectives.

There no guaranteeing one of your hot hand loads well not end up in some ones lever down the road.

The 35 Rem is down loaded by factories because of the Standard Arms auto, which has a very weak action. Every 35 made since can take up to 40,000 psi and the Marlin can take more than that. Which is why they make it in 444 Marlin, 307, 356, etc.
Plenty of loads out there that will blow up old guns; old Colt SAAs and trapdoors do not like modern level loads so this is not unprecedented.
So it won't hurt anything. I will be sure to shoot up all my loads before I die.

That's going to be cool. I always wanted a 35 rem bolt gun too.

My hottest loads with a Marlin lever are with H4895, but I stay within published data. And it fills the case too. Plenty for deer.

If I recall one of the older Lyman books had some pretty hot loads. You may also want to invest in Quickload it might help you develop something.

quote:

Originally posted by dpcd:
One of my favorite old timey calibers, I am building a bolt action for it, after having several 81s and 141s over the years. Now I want to load some hot loads (SAAMI limits them to 35K PSI which is ridiculous) I wanted to try some of the "bolt action only" loads that are in the 82 Shooting Times article,111111 but my brass (WW) won't hold anywhere near those loads, and neither will my R-P. Even the low load of 36 grains of 3031 fills the case up.
Does anyone out there load any 35 Rems with any decent pressure, like up to 45K PSI, and if so, got any suggestions?

I do not load the 35 Remington but I have some top secret insider info especially for you


http://www.accuratereloading.com/350rm.html

When you have bullet details, make, grain, type I can accommodate you more.

Sorry I load for it but only for my lever action

Funny, Wetibbe. I am using 200 grain Hornadys, WW brass and CCi LR primers, 3031 powder; now, give me the help you promised.
Let me reiterate; I have plenty of data from the Handloader "Big Bore" book, for +P 35 Loads; my problem is that none of them will fit into the cases. My question is, is anyone else doing it?
Dean, I do have a 1970 Lyman book that shows loads a couple of grains higher than current Hornady, etc, ; and they list them as compressed, and are still 2 or 3 grains below what the loads were in the Handloader article. I guess those were really compressed.

Don't know who this is but this webpage has been on line for a while. Very informative. He mentions that the old Speer manual had hot loads for the 180g bullet. Not exactly what you want but it might be helpful.

http://www.suitorsgarage.com/g...gton/35rempart2.html

Thanks, dean; that is a good article. He lists the 200 grainers at 2220 fps, which is over 200 fps over factory, which is what I want. I have 180s too. He is using Speer data; that is a book I don't have. I will look for those loads; thanks.

As I said don't have any specific load dat. What I have done for similar "playing" in the past. Was simply take the case in question and play in QL
Adjust for actual capacity, bullet and oal. Then simply tell QL to run using say 110% compression and in this case say 45,000. Run all powders or limit the choices. Will give you far more data than you can use. Takes only a couple minutes start to finish.

Thanks; good idea; I don't have QL.

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I don't have QL.

I do.

One of my sillier projects is a carcano I barreled TO 35 REM. throated to seat the 200 grn Horn spritzers well out. 40 grns of H335 gives 2360 fps. It is by no means a hot load in this rifle, but I didn't see a need to increase it any.

That sounds like a good load and I only want about 2200 fps; at least 200 over factory. How far out do you seat? 2360 is awesome.
Ram, please run this in your spare time;
200 grain .358
Water Cap; 49
Seat depth: .322
Barrel: 23 inch
Powder: 3031 is what I have most of right now.
and thanks.

 Cartridge          : .35 Rem.
Bullet             : .358, 200, Hornady SPSP 3510
Useable Case Capaci: 40.845 grain H2O = 2.652 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.678 inch = 68.02 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.0 inch = 584.2 mm
Powder             : IMR 3031

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   91    32.00   1906    1614   22805   4024     84.6    1.589
-18.0   93    32.80   1955    1698   24276   4168     86.1    1.546
-16.0   95    33.60   2005    1785   25847   4309     87.5    1.505
-14.0   98    34.40   2054    1874   27537   4446     88.8    1.464
-12.0  100    35.20   2104    1966   29345   4579     90.1    1.425
-10.0  102    36.00   2154    2061   31286   4707     91.3    1.387
-08.0  105    36.80   2205    2158   33371   4828     92.5    1.349
-06.0  107    37.60   2255    2258   35613   4944     93.6    1.313  ! Near Maximum !
-04.0  109    38.40   2306    2361   38027   5053     94.6    1.277  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  111    39.20   2356    2466   40630   5155     95.5    1.240  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.0  114    40.00   2407    2573   43442   5249     96.3    1.205  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  116    40.80   2458    2682   46474   5334     97.1    1.170  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  118    41.60   2508    2794   49775   5411     97.7    1.137  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  120    42.40   2559    2908   53351   5478     98.3    1.104  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  123    43.20   2610    3024   57240   5536     98.8    1.073  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  125    44.00   2660    3143   61479   5583     99.2    1.042  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    114    40.00   2545    2876   52813   5161     99.8    1.111  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    114    40.00   2223    2195   35363   4988     87.8    1.324  ! Near Maximum !
  

Looks to me like you need to look to some 223 powders

 Cartridge          : .35 Rem.
Bullet             : .358, 200, Hornady SPSP 3510
Useable Case Capaci: 40.845 grain H2O = 2.652 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.678 inch = 68.02 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.0 inch = 584.2 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 45000 psi, or 310 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

85 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant AR-Comp                    109.4     39.8     2.58    2432    99.6    45000    5034   1.184  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation      108.7     39.8     2.58    2431    99.6    45000    5034   1.184  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39            101.3     39.0     2.53    2429   100.0    45000    4823   1.194  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Nitrochemie A/S 0300                96.6     37.3     2.42    2414    98.8    45000    4980   1.194  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520                      109.7     43.5     2.82    2409    93.5    45000    5242   1.196  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon BL-C2                      107.9     44.4     2.87    2391    90.3    45000    5321   1.199  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 748                     104.5     42.4     2.74    2384    91.7    45000    5198   1.199  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 10                   98.8     39.8     2.58    2377    94.6    45000    5031   1.206  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H335                        99.2     40.8     2.64    2376    94.4    45000    5059   1.203  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-10x                102.5     36.4     2.36    2376    98.8    45000    4811   1.215  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4895                      109.3     41.2     2.67    2376    89.9    45000    5164   1.207  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223)        98.8     39.8     2.58    2376    94.6    45000    5024   1.206  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2219                         98.6     38.3     2.48    2375    95.8    45000    4957   1.201  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H322                       104.9     38.3     2.48    2375    95.8    45000    4957   1.201  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S321                       104.4     42.3     2.74    2370    91.4    45000    5126   1.208  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2495                      110.0     40.5     2.63    2370    96.8    39290    5272   1.273  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 202                          110.0     40.7     2.64    2368    94.4    44008    5057   1.214  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 200                           98.7     36.4     2.36    2366    99.3    45000    4724   1.234  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon CFE223                     106.1     44.5     2.88    2365    87.9    45000    5243   1.204  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206H                       109.3     41.2     2.67    2362    88.9    45000    5106   1.211  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2015                      106.0     38.2     2.47    2362    98.1    45000    4764   1.220  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 507                105.9     41.6     2.70    2361    90.9    45000    5054   1.208  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2460                      103.5     41.9     2.72    2357    92.4    45000    4973   1.222  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.5                       103.8     41.9     2.72    2357    92.4    45000    4973   1.222  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R901                      108.7     38.9     2.52    2355    94.5    45000    4969   1.239  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.6                       110.0     42.7     2.77    2354    92.4    41691    5138   1.236  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Wild Boar                  106.9     43.0     2.79    2352    88.1    45000    5081   1.208  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N530                    104.7     39.6     2.57    2352    91.1    45000    4983   1.210  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2207                         96.0     33.8     2.19    2349   100.0    45000    4390   1.218  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-12                 104.3     40.0     2.59    2348    95.7    45000    4820   1.209  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 9                   109.6     42.6     2.76    2346    88.3    45000    5026   1.211  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 8208 XBR                       106.7     40.2     2.60    2341    90.9    45000    4903   1.213  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.4                       101.5     40.9     2.65    2338    92.2    45000    4851   1.222  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 201                          110.0     40.5     2.63    2332    90.8    43942    4973   1.238  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 3031                           110.0     38.7     2.51    2326    94.9    39034    5094   1.263  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198                            99.7     33.7     2.18    2324    99.3    45000    4380   1.211  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2230                      102.2     41.7     2.70    2323    89.8    45000    4809   1.222  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S335                       109.1     40.2     2.60    2321    95.7    45000    4690   1.229  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4895                           110.0     41.4     2.68    2321    87.2    40803    5148   1.252  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!  

Just a question your capacity is 2grs less than what QL has loaded. QL uses fired capacity. Is that what you gave me?

I gave you new capacity as I have no brass from this chamber but a 2 grain increase in fired makes sense. Let me digest all this.
Wonder why it calls a 40K psi load, "dangerous"? Based on SAAMI specs?
I see H335 gives nice velocity at 99 percent fill; Much like back40 said above; looks like I might re-think my powder choice, and I do have some 335 on hand too. Or 4198; got that too. And all within the 45K psi, which is where I want to be with the 96 Swedish.
thanks much.
And doesn't your stock look nice? Guys, if you like this stock, talk to Ramrod; he might be persuaded to make another one.

One of the best threads I've found on the topic, anywhere.

http://www.marlinowners.com/fo...rt-ii-handloads.html

35Remington (poster) deserves the kudos he gets.

It simply calls 40,000 dangerous because I left the SAAMI max of 39885 in place. In the other data I set the limits to 110% and 45,000.

Thought that stock looked familiar.

I'll rerun at 51grs in the morning.

Thanks,
Rnovi, that is the thread that Dean turned us on to above. thanks.

OK I did the 3031 run tonight.

 Cartridge          : .35 Rem.
Bullet             : .358, 200, Hornady SPSP 3510
Useable Case Capaci: 42.845 grain H2O = 2.782 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.678 inch = 68.02 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.0 inch = 584.2 mm
Powder             : IMR 3031

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   87    32.00   1877    1564   21231   4020     83.8    1.634
-18.0   89    32.80   1924    1644   22539   4166     85.3    1.592
-16.0   91    33.60   1972    1727   23934   4310     86.7    1.551
-14.0   93    34.40   2020    1812   25422   4451     88.0    1.511
-12.0   95    35.20   2068    1899   27010   4588     89.3    1.472
-10.0   98    36.00   2117    1989   28706   4721     90.6    1.434
-08.0  100    36.80   2165    2082   30520   4849     91.7    1.397
-06.0  102    37.60   2214    2177   32460   4971     92.8    1.361
-04.0  104    38.40   2263    2274   34538   5087     93.8    1.326
-02.0  106    39.20   2312    2373   36765   5197     94.8    1.291
+00.0  108    40.00   2361    2475   39155   5300     95.7    1.257  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  111    40.80   2410    2579   41722   5396     96.5    1.222  ! Near Maximum !
+04.0  113    41.60   2459    2685   44484   5484     97.2    1.188  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  115    42.40   2508    2793   47458   5563     97.8    1.156  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  117    43.20   2557    2903   50667   5634     98.4    1.124  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  119    44.00   2605    3014   54136   5695     98.9    1.093  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    108    40.00   2500    2777   47503   5259     99.7    1.158  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    108    40.00   2178    2107   31955   4995     86.8    1.375  

quote:

Originally posted by dpcd:
Thanks,
Rnovi, that is the thread that Dean turned us on to above. thanks.

Oh hey! Well, won't be the first I've been last to the party.

Try Reloader 10X. I think you'll like it!

I just measured some at 2.65 OAL.
The H335 fits in the case nicely. Never had great luck with 3031 myself in the 35. The old norma 201 works well ( good luck finding that) and I have a pound of Leverlution that I have yet to wring out. It's hard to think I will gain anything over the H335 though.

In my 760 Remington 40 gr of 3031 ( some compression) gives 2323 fps with a 200 gr. I have seen
a bit higher with Reloder 7 but never tried it.
This is a very accurate load.

for the naysayers ---
recall that 45 colt, 45/70, and (45/120 Nitro) are all routinely loaded past "book" ---

the 35 rem would be nasty in a rem autoloader if overloaded.. in a 788 --- not so much

If 2200 fps is what you want, it looks like you have plenty of room to play, and can probably find something that's still within saami pressure specs, if you want.

I think I will go with 335 instead of 3031; it seems to fit better. Although 40 grains of 3031 would do all I want it to, meaning to get at least 2200 out of a 200 grainer and that will probably fit without too much comp once I fire the brass. 2300 would be awesome too. I have always used 3031 but only at the 336 grain, factory load, levels.
Jeff, have you looked at the locking lugs on a Remington 81? I no longer have one, but they are massive.
Thanks to all; especially Ramrod for the QL data, and now, back to the sanding, glass bedding, and rust bluing. Then I will get to shoot it. This is a personal rifle that I am doing in between paying jobs.

You might consider the 150gr or 160gr ER Raptors from Cutting Edge. I have had fantastic results loading them for 350Magnum. I currently have my eyes on a Rem mod 600 in 35Rem. If I can get it for a reasonable price I'll be loading the 150gr ER Raptor. I plan to use Benchmark.

Andy B

PS

I recently weighed some Federal +P 257Rob cases. Spent primers intact they were the heaviest of the cases weighing in at 188gr-189gr

Thanks; cain't afford those fancy bullets; I have to stick with traditional lead and copper ones; ain't failed me yet.
Thanks for the info on the 257s; I have a lot of data now and will be putting that on AR here soon. Yes, if your Feds weigh 188; that is the heaviest yet.