Ad in Handloader..

TERRY....something is missing in your post....can't see what you are getting at??

Sorry, I saw a new IMR Rifle powder Ad in Handloader Magazine. It did not say much of anything about details. Looked up the IMR Web site and no infor there either.

Sounds like 4320 with a new name.

Great, thanks

What is interesting to me is that you can see innovation in the powder industry since Hodgon bought out the old dinosaurs. Dinosaur companies, like IMR, really did not give a rap about the changing market. IMR had not changed their powders or powder line since 1960, maybe 1970. Their mainstay rifle powders were still the pre WWII IMR 3031, 4064, 4350?, and the post war 4895. All good powders but the market had changed.

For most of us, the introduction of the progressive reloader changed our reloading practices. I use a Dillion 550 to dump powder and seat the bullet of rifle ammo. Long grained powders such as 4350, 4064, and 3031, have such extreme weight spreads in thrown powder measures that they are essentially unsuitable for progressives. I remember talking to Dupont on this and you could not convince them to make a short cut powder. Their attitude was those old WWII vintage powders were perfect, they were selling all they could produce, and did not see a reason to change. Also I was given bogus reasons like it was technically impossible to make a short cut version of 4350. Horsefeathers!.

Innovation in some market sectors is glacial, and reloading powders has been an example. I hope before the next millennium, to see short cut versions of all my favorite IMR powders, with new burn rate modifiers. Assuming I get to live that long.

Good company that they are, Hodgdon has never manufactured a single grain of powder (if you don't count their relationship with the company that makes Pyrodex). They have simply been a marketing organization for first, government surplus powders like 4895 and 4831, then contract overruns from St. Marks (formerly Olin, that Hodgdon called "spherical" powders), then from a variety of worldwide manufacturers like ICI-Nobel of Scotland and most recently ADI of Australia. Recently, Hodgdon purchase the independent IMR Powder Company (for many years a part of DuPont -- that patriotic company which was successfully sued by Uncle Sam for cornering the powder market and price-gouging during WW I while American GI's died in the trenches.)

Now for my question after that long-winded prologue: IMR was making their powders in Canada prior to being purchased by Hodgdon. Now that they are a part of Hodgdon, is Hodgdon having this new IMR 4007 made by ADI or are they simply using the ADI technology to do
"short cut" powders in the IMR Canada plant? Or something else somewhere else?

I wouldn't mind trying it in 22-250 and 30-06.

Probably will not see it in the local shops fro a while.

Guess I'll just throw in a pound when I place and order in the future.

Reloader

I just hope they are not going to replace IMR 4320 with it...

However, I disagree with Slamfire above that the world needs new technology in powders... while I try a lot of Hodgdon's stuff... I still return to IMR for most of my powder needs... as it is more consistent in my useages...

Hodgdon is also canning H 4227, but is continuing the name IMR 4227....evidently the IMR name sold better than Hodgdon's.... so now we will get H 4227 still, but they are calling it IMR 4227.... I don't like that bait and switch attitude...Hodgdon is doing good things.. but that episode is one I don't like at all...

Ive been playing with Imr powders 4350 , 4895 for 2 different calibers. I liked Alliant powders and hodgdons powders.

Its just fun switchin around and playing with the differnt powders and calibers

Think ill try some imr 4064, maybe spme imr 3031, then get some more R15 and H4350 .

I still hava a supply of R22, R19, imr4350, H4831

quote:

Originally posted by Terry Blauwkamp:
Ad in Handloader..

Yeah. Saw the ad - as you say, no info. What is it for?

Hmmm... it IS close to 4320, or H380.......

22-250 Remington 55 grain bullet, 39 grains IMR 4007 SSC = 3,786fps

220 Swift 50 grain bullet, 43 grains IMR 4007 SSC = 3,922fps

30/06 150 grain bullet, 55.3 grains IMR 4007 SSC = 2,972fps

ya'll may not know this, but i use amazingly fast powders in bigbore rifles.. typically h335 and i4895, for my .416 and up to .550 ammo..

4007 sounds like one of the oz powders that "you yanks don't get up there but something like 4320"...

i guess i'll pick up a couple pounds and give the lever a pull on it

jeffe

Here's a link to a press release listing the cartridges IMR sees the powder used in: Cartridge listing

Just a heads up as far as easy metering in this burn rate category. I started playing with the Ramshot Big Game this past year in my 22-250. I have settled on a load I use for predator hunting with a 55 gr. pill. It shoots .5" MOA day in and day out. I have used Varget and RL-15 with great success, but Big Game is so easy to use and shoots so well that I have settled in with it. Imagine my surprise when I got my new Nosler #6 and it listed Big Game as the most accurate powder tested for the 55 gr. in the 22-250. I am now working up loads with Big Game for my 7mm-08.

Bob

picked up a pound today

I haven't tried it, but it looks as if it may be a very good choice for the .308, especially with bullets of about 180 grains.

Maybe also a good one for the 7x57.

I`ve been playing with it and 140 gr bullets in my 7-08 and found it appears to be a good choice. It meters like BenchMark and seems to have a burn rate in this cartridge right under IMR4350.

Good info on this thread guys..
Thanks,

Don

quote:

Originally posted by Bob in TX:
. I am now working up loads with Big Game for my 7mm-08.

Bob

BigGame is my go to powder in my 7MM-08/140gr bullets. Excellent accuracy and velocity.
Ramshot Hunter is outstanding with 160gr bullets as well.