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I've been meaning to try out TSX/GMX/E-Tips for awhile now, just haven't had the time or opportunity. One thing I'm wondering about is how well these longer bullets will stabilize when fired from factory rifles with average twist rates? In particular, I'm thinking of my Tikka T3 with what I believe is 1:11 twist and Remington 700 .35 Whelen with 1:14 twist. Looking at Berger bullets online stability calculator, neither twist rate will reliably stabilize the three aforementioned copper bullets. If you get a good group at 100, what are the chances it will go to hell at 200, 300? Of course reality never cared for computer generated numbers so I'd love to hear about what experience you all have had with these bullets. | ||
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My experience has been not being able to get Barnes LRX 30 cal 175s to sabilize. Barnes recommends 1:11 or faster and I can't get them to stabilize in my 1:10 barrels. I have run the calculations and the only monometals that seem to be problematic are the LRXs and the TTSXs. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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With lead free monos you have to go lower in weight than you are used to with jacketed bulltes. For a .308 this means looking in the domain of 115 to 150 grain bullets. Some 165 grainers may also work. In Europe we have been using monos on a larger scale for about a decade now. To my experience monometals have an even bigger accuracy potential than jacketed bullets. I put this down to the homogeneous material when turned on a lathe rather than being pressed. | |||
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i've had no trouble with 358 win with 1:10, and 1:12 .. i don't think i tried 1:14 -- with old 225gr barnes x opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I have no trouble with 165 grain ttsx in either my 30-06 or my 300 H&H. Both have 1-10 twist. I ordered some 180 TTSX but haven't tried them yet. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I shoot 180 gr TTSX bullets in a 300 Wby and a 300 RUM. Both rifles are Rem 700's with factory 1 in 10 in twist barrels. Both are accurate rifles and I've taken game at close to 400 yds with both rifles. No issues with either. | |||
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Only problem I ever had stabilizing Barnes bullets was in a 223 that had a 1 in 14 twist. Couldn't get them on paper until only about 15 yards from the target and they were hitting sideways. In 30cal I used up to 180's without problems. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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I have not had any problems with stabilizing any of the Barnes bullets or GS Customs between weights..The monolithics are longer per grain, but I,ve seen no bad results..The shoot in my guns within reasonable weights..Not sure how that's accomplished, but it apparently does.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I can't get the 50 grain VGs to stabilize in the 12" or slower 22s but they'll work fine in the 1:9" twists AR's. The 36 grain VGs will stabilize in my 14" twist 22.250 and both bullets will work fine in my 1:10" twist 22.250 AI. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Since I wanted to use the rifle with the 53TTSX I rebarreled it with a 1 in 9 Douglas. Now it will shoot just about anything. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Shoot them in your rifle and see what happens. That is the only way to do it. Two identical rifles, one might stabilize them, one might not. | |||
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