who sell componments similar to S&B SPCE or RWS hi-shock with the cutting edge?

noone?

Lapua offers some

i dont mean cutting edge like new or latest design.
I mean cutting edge like the bullets with an edge that are designed to cut hair when the impact an animal.

Looks to me to be a marketing solution to a manufacturing screwup.
ie: tool maker misscuts the pointing dies. Wasn't caught until after a run of bullets made. Management questions should we scrap the bullets and the dies? Quality control says yes. Manufacturing dosen't want to. Marketing says lets see what we can come up with. How about "the step is for cutting the game's hair upon entry of the bullet". Yeh yeh that's it. Great marketing slogan. We will be way ahead of the competition on this one.
Ask your self what real benifit would someone gain from cutting the hair from the animal as the bullet enters?
I don't see any. Other than to get their money out of your pocket.

muck

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Ask your self what real benifit would someone gain from cutting the hair from the animal as the bullet enters?

hair doesnt wash away in the rain.
some dogs are trained to track by scent of hair not blood.
identifing the type of hair can let you know were the hit was.
they make clean wadcutter type holes in targets and the same type on animals allowing blood to escape easily.
maybe you should shoot an animal with one before you discount the attributes.
you sound like the first person who ever saw a ballistic tip.
"plastic??? on a bullit?
why that dont make no sense."

muck

In Europe these "hair cutting" bullets have been in use and very popular for many years.

Especially where tracking dogs are in wide use.

RWS makes several different types of them.

shoulder stablized or stepped bullets. not very common in softs ...

Ballistically challenged would be another name.
Kidding aside, looking at the cut away the lower portion of the bullet would have a tendency to lock the core into the base, so the nose would roll back to the shoulder and then the bullet would stay together- the concept of the partition without the higher cost to manufacture. ALL bullets cut hair, but marketing makes for sales.

trust me, these bullets cut a perfect round circle like a wadcutter on paper. they drop alot of hair and kill like lightning.
theres no marketing hype to them or barnes would be making them.
the act very much like a bonded core but cost MUCH less. S&B 7x64 173 SPCE loaded ammo sells for $19 a box or so and shot SUB MOA in my prohunter.

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In terms of tracking and finding signs of where you hit the animal, the cutting edge (German: "Scharfrand") is a good thing. It not only leaves a lot of hair where the animal was shot, it also allows the entry wound to bleed more freely.

Sometimes, the colour of the hair might also help establish where an animal is hit, and what strategy to apply in in pursuing it (e.g. track immediately or wait). Naturally, the colour and amount of blood also plays an important role in these decisions.

One of the advantages of these international forums is the exchange of ideas. Hopefully it might help spread a little knowledge about how things are done outside your own backyard. Who knows, perhaps some of the more "informed" posters might appreciate there is a world different to their own??

- mike

like I said, they work and work well.
im just a poor dumb redneck killing deer in the Arkansas woods. you fellas are alot smarter than me so keep on shooting those solid copper barnes bullets and ill stick w/ my $19 a box S&B's.
I think that every big european ammo makes makes a CE bullet, right?
hum...
marketing...
thats why you seem them advertised everywere, right?
thats why you fellas knew so much about them before this thread, right?

hi
it kills too well it is too soft i shot a roe deer at 350 steps with one in 8x57 and 1/4 body was spoiled . if you want the meat then choose enother bulletr,. this bullet is no no for boar and bear. it is very soft and fragmentations every where in the body.
regards
yes

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Originally posted by yes:
hi
it kills too well it is too soft i shot a roe deer at 350 steps with one in 8x57 and 1/4 body was spoiled . if you want the meat then choose enother bulletr,. this bullet is no no for boar and bear. it is very soft and fragmentations every where in the body.
regards
yes

please. do you think your talking to a bunch of 4th graders?
which bullet? was it the 196-grain SPCE? the 201 gr EVO?
how much did the roe weigh?
were did the bullet enter? were did it exit?
what was the distance?

lets see...
who makes cutting edge bullets.
RWS
S&B
Norma
Breneke
hum...?
rank amatures, im sure.

The fact that the bullet has a name means there is a marketing program in place. It also seems that the posters from the other side of the pond knew what you were talking about so it must be advertised there.
I am sure the bullet works just fine, but then so do most ordinary Hornady, Speer, and Sierra that are designed for shooting deer.
What is the BC?

I'd be considering things like:

1) How well does it fly in hotter rounds at longer distances?

2) How well does it feed in my particular rifle?

3) How well does it perform my particular task other than giving ballistic haircuts?

KSTEPHENS - the Germans are known to have come up with Myriad Bullshit technologies - ideas -marketing concepts, etc. just like the rest of the world.

I'd try some and see what they do for you and see if it's Schwein-Scheiße or Spanferkle you're buying.

i have tried them.
thats why im looking for components.

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I wasn't refering to der parts ballistic excusively ALF! I was making a general comment on the validity of things German in totality.

I might know a thing or two about how Germans think.

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Originally posted by Macifej:
I wasn't refering to der parts ballistic excusively ALF! I was making a general comment on the validity of things German in totality.

I might know a thing or two about how Germans think.

how did this become a threat related to germans.
S&B ammo is from the Czech Republic, RWS is owned by the parent RAUG in Berne.

kstefens
i am talking aboutS&B cuting edge bullets in 8x57js. i have tested them in my deer simulator (a box with 1 inch thick wooden board and wet papper) norma oryx expanded very much and hold toghether and S&B loaded with 220 gr sierra preformed very nicely with very nice mushroom and plenty of weight left,but their spce had anished i could only find som jacket splinters. the roe i shot was a buck around 30 kilo this summer . i tought because roe is so soft and at thast distance (350 steps) maybe this bullet will preform better . it made it's way in side the roe but 1/4 of meat was blodshot.
yes

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:

quote:

Originally posted by Macifej:
I wasn't refering to der parts ballistic excusively ALF! I was making a general comment on the validity of things German in totality.

I might know a thing or two about how Germans think.

how did this become a threat related to germans.
S&B ammo is from the Czech Republic, RWS is owned by the parent RAUG in Berne.

Posted by ALF.......

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in the world of ballistics the Germans had it all figured out

the bullet entered behind the left shoulder and exited in the far shoulder. the exiting hole was big as a seize of tennis bol. the pictures i have i can't send in AR.but if you want it could be send to you.
yes

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Originally posted by yes:
the bullet entered behind the left shoulder and exited in the far shoulder. the exiting hole was big as a seize of tennis bol. the pictures i have i can't send in AR.but if you want it could be send to you.
yes

so when you shoot 60 pound deer though the front shoulders w/ a soft point 8mm bullet what do you expect. i suppose you would have used the 220gr?

just for the record, i think your full of shit. a 196 gr bullet at 1900 FPS (OR LESS) impact velocity isnt going to blow up a deer. The CE bullet actually needs velocity to expand well. you keep spinning your BS. some of us have actually used the bullets on game and know what we are talking about.

kstefens
i beleive you are ful of knoewledge i can smel your knowledge when you talk . i don-
't care if you blow an animal or not you are enough stupid to do that, but may be rhere are other people which care about thjat . S&B have better choice like their sierra loading för hunting,
yes