Howdy.

Just got back from the range this evening. Went out with the .300 WM Mod 70 and the 208 grain A-Max to confirm drop data.

Took the .264 WM with a fine tune "ladder" loaded with the 130 Scirocco. It shot well at .030" off the rifling and 80.5 gr. of WC-872 the last time out. I loaded 79.6, 79.9, 80.2, and the 80.5 grain load to shoot some groups at the HC recommended corners of black squares

I shot the groups at 330 yards.








The "corner shooting" worked well. You can be very precise! Thanks for the tip HC!

Now woods,

Here's a couple of examples of why you want a load with as little vertical dispersion as possible. All you want to worry about after you nail the drop data down is the wind. This is the point of shooting Audette's Ladders. You find the node where the bullet is exiting when the barrel is "quiet", test load for seating depth to fine tune. You don't want the bullet exiting when the barrel is pointing in different places vertically.

The 80.5 grain .264 WM load has about an inch of vertical at 330 yards and was shot in a touch of wind from 6:00 over a period of time:





Now here is the .300 WM with the 208 grain A-Max. I was going to shoot some paper at 700 yards after I checked the drop data but my first shot on the 700 yard plate was dead nuts center. I figured I'd just shoot a group(s) on the plate and take a pic.





I shot 2 three shot groups about 15 minutes apart. As you can see this is a good load!







5 of the 6 shots have less than 1" of vertical dispersion at 700 yards! That one low shot in the middle blew the "group" being about 3" lower than the other 5. It couldn't have been "me" because you know I'm the Master.


Now take all those bullets for your 6.5 Rem Mag and seat them .030" deeper!

A lot of folk would be happy with a group like this:

at 100 yards!!!!!

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Originally posted by rcamuglia:
It shot well at .030" off the rifling

this is, in my opinion, THE best place to start for conventional bullets ..

and -.065 for monometals...

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by rcamuglia:
It shot well at .030" off the rifling

this is, in my opinion, THE best place to start for conventional bullets ..

and -.065 for monometals...

You're right.

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Now woods,

Here's a couple of examples of why you want a load with as little vertical dispersion as possible. All you want to worry about after you nail the drop data down is the wind. This is the point of shooting Audette's Ladders. You find the node where the bullet is exiting when the barrel is "quiet", test load for seating depth to fine tune. You don't want the bullet exiting when the barrel is pointing in different places vertically.

Pay attention Woods. Notice - NO Thingys needed!!!
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Hey R, You might be able to swap the "Thingy Reticle" in on a real one. I sent a whole bunch of Leupolds back to them for swaps to their HEAVY Duplex Reticle(for Twilight Hunting) before I quit wasting money on Leupolds.

They do offer all kinds of nice Reticles - BUT..., - they will NOT offer an Upgrade to the Illuminated Eye-piece. Fortunately, plenty of other folks offer Illuminated Reticles that work great(for Hunting) and even have better Warrantys than Leupold.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by rcamuglia:
It shot well at .030" off the rifling

this is, in my opinion, THE best place to start for conventional bullets ..

and -.065 for monometals...

Is that irrespective of how much shank you have in the neck Jeffe?

I've always been told to try and have at least a calibre's worth of shank in the neck but this puts me well shy of the lands in my rifle for the lighter bullets.

been shooting the corners of black squares for 10 years. love that method.

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Originally posted by Hot Core:

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Now woods,

Here's a couple of examples of why you want a load with as little vertical dispersion as possible. All you want to worry about after you nail the drop data down is the wind. This is the point of shooting Audette's Ladders. You find the node where the bullet is exiting when the barrel is "quiet", test load for seating depth to fine tune. You don't want the bullet exiting when the barrel is pointing in different places vertically.

Pay attention Woods. Notice - NO Thingys needed!!!
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Hey R, You might be able to swap the "Thingy Reticle" in on a real one. I sent a whole bunch of Leupolds back to them for swaps to their HEAVY Duplex Reticle(for Twilight Hunting) before I quit wasting money on Leupolds.

They do offer all kinds of nice Reticles - BUT..., - they will NOT offer an Upgrade to the Illuminated Eye-piece. Fortunately, plenty of other folks offer Illuminated Reticles that work great(for Hunting) and even have better Warrantys than Leupold.

Leupold scopes are a lot of scope for the money, they function as advertised (when you dial 14.25 MOA the scope actually moves 14.25 MOA) are made in the USA, and are backed by a lifetime no bull warranty that is speedily honored if necessary.

Their reticles are accurate in design and work perfectly

Of course those who have never tested their scope on a precision scope mounting jig have no clue how useless they are because of their pitiful functioning.



Most pitiful scopes are glorified iron sights that are only good for the range you sight in for.

It also sounds like you may need a trip to the opthamologist.

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Originally posted by rcamuglia:
Leupold scopes are a lot of scope for the money, they function as advertised (when you dial 14.25 MOA the scope actually moves 14.25 MOA) are made in the USA, and are backed by a lifetime no bull warranty that is speedily honored if necessary. ...

I'd say Leupold Scopes are "a lot of $$$money$$$ for a scope" - which is no better than a lot of much less expensive scopes. I believed Leupolds were the best scope in the business for many years, even though I've had to send a few Leupolds back for Repair. Now I realize I've wasted a lot of $$$money$$$ on the name.

As far as the Leupold Warranty goes , it was the same as the rest of the scope industry for many years. Now the Leupold Warranty isn't even as good as my "cheapest"($69.95) scope. On the El Cheapo(for those of you living near Mexico) Optronics - even if I back over it with the truck, a Satelite falls on it, or the esteAmed Mr. Woods destroys it with a Thingy - Optronics will replace it, once I ship the pieces to them. Try that with a Leupold and let us know what they tell you.
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By the way, the scope alignment "Thingy" is Full-of-Beans.

Sorry to have to report this after singing the praises of how Leupold scopes function so well, but I'll be testing the quality of their warranty and service for the one on my .264 on Monday!

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Originally posted by rcamuglia:
...I'll be testing the quality of their warranty and service for the one on my .264 on Monday!

They will get it fixed. Just as they did the 4-5 I sent back to them for REPAIRS!
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Hey Woods, Did you see anything through your "Scope" over the weekend???

No but you are incorrect about something you posted HC (again )

You said

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Pay attention Woods. Notice - NO Thingys needed!!!

but rc is using a big bad scope thingy!



BTW I still say you should practice to replicate the real thing as much as possible and I still haven't seen any game with square corners over their vitals! Minor point I know but you should practice with your POA in the middle of your preferred POI. If you are using the square for an unofficial anit-cant device rather than a real ACD then that will not benefit you in the hunting field.

But if you just want to shoot smaller groups on paper why not, but then you might as well be using a 14 pound benchrest gun with a 45 power scope.

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Originally posted by woods:
but rc is using a big bad scope thingy!



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I can just imagine woods drooling feverishly over this new Thingy, printing pictures of it to satisfy the "new Thingy craving" until he gets one and setting it to his screen saver picture.



P.S.

You really need to make the sighting board and mark it accurately in MOA. Even though you don't dial, you will still be able to check to see if the MOA distances between aimpoints on your reticle are right or verify the power setting that they will work...

Hey Woods, Are you ever WRONG? Seems to me I heard that somewhere before.

But(gulp), y.. yo..... you are CORRECT!!! That is sure enough a Super Whamo-Dyne Thingy if there ever was one.

Do you have one on order, or are you going to buid your own?

Did you one better HC, note my new signature line, if I didn't like my cigar smoking bulldog so much I would use the pic for my avatar!

Naw I'm not gonna build one, prefer my baling wire and duct tape method, new year's resolution, giving up thingy's (you believe that???? )