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27 January 2010, 18:27
youp50
New dies carbide or titanium?
Subject pretty much says it all. I am new to staight wall pistol reloading and need a set of 41 Rem dies. I do not understand the advantages of carbide vs titanium vs nitride.

Your input is appreciated.
27 January 2010, 18:49
butchloc
carbide
27 January 2010, 19:07
Ol` Joe
quote:
Originally posted by butchloc:
carbide



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27 January 2010, 19:25
ema39
For straight wall pistol/revolver cartridges there is no better choice than Carbide. The need for lubrication for the others is a mess that is best avoided if possible. Just be sure that your brass is clean before resizing--even carbide dies can be scratched by excess grit on the brass.
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27 January 2010, 19:55
ramrod340
Actually I've always seen it as titanium nitride. I don't THINK it is two differnet options.

I have both I prefer Carbide. Both will owrk fine and allow you to size without lubrication. The carbide is actually a donut like insert in the bottom of the die. While it can be damaged it is darn hard to do it.

Titanium Nitride is a non stick coating applied to the inside of the sizer die. Like I say I have both but feel the carbide would last longer.


As usual just my $.02
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27 January 2010, 20:39
jeffeosso
carbide .. aka tungstun carbide or titantium nitride (TiN) ..

carbide is harder to make, TiN is a coating

TITANIUM alloy aint hard


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27 January 2010, 20:52
vapodog
quote:
staight wall pistol reloading

Hornady dies IIRC are titanium coated and work quite well.

You can't go wrong with the carbide as well.


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28 January 2010, 00:44
Allan DeGroot
Actually other than plain steel dies there are three kinds.

Dies "coated" with Titanium Nitride are actually the newest kind, and the coating is slippery, but it isn't perfect.
These are sold mostly by Hornady.

The old classic of Tungsten Carbide the kind most often refered to as simply "Carbide", everyone makes Tungsten carbide dies for straight walled cartridges.

and the third kind which SFAIK only Redding makes is Titanium CARBIDE (very different from Titanium Nitride)
which are rather like Tungsten carbide, but the microstructure is smoother, the material itself is
less brittle and is generally a superior material
to Tungsten Carbide, but as only Redding has
made them....

Knowing what the different materials are....

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28 January 2010, 04:45
Sam
Carbide. No lube, no mess. Works forever.


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28 January 2010, 15:29
youp50
Thanks
28 January 2010, 17:00
daniel77
I have the Tit Nit Hornady dies for the .41 mag, and have no complaints thus far. They are not smooth as butter, but don't mar the brass whatsoever. fwiw




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29 January 2010, 02:58
Winchester 69
quote:
Originally posted by youp50:
Subject pretty much says it all. I am new to staight wall pistol reloading and need a set of 41 Rem dies. I do not understand the advantages of carbide vs titanium vs nitride.

Your input is appreciated.

The type of hard-surface you get is determined by the brand of dies you purchase. I wouldn't let that one feature overly influence my choice. You'll probably never know the difference.


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29 January 2010, 03:23
sidewinder72
Carbide for me. I just wished there was carbide rifle dies. No lube.yea-yea
29 January 2010, 11:51
Winchester 69
quote:
Originally posted by sidewinder72:
Carbide for me. I just wished there was carbide rifle dies. No lube.yea-yea

If Hornady got innovative with the titanium nitride, it would be easy.


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29 January 2010, 13:12
0X0
quote:
Originally posted by sidewinder72:
Carbide for me. I just wished there was carbide rifle dies. No lube.yea-yea


Yeah, but you're looking at a different process for sizing straight wall pistol versus rifle brass. Different as in what's being "sized" with respect to dimensions and contours.
29 January 2010, 16:10
jeffeosso
I have carbide 45lc and 10MM ... TiN coated 500 jeffe ... lube them anyway


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com