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Anyone use any of this yet? If so, can you tell any difference in the copper fowling after shooting, ie, less of it, is it easier to clean out of the barrel, etc. Thanks, Willi | ||
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This is not an attempt to start a rumor Since h335 is basically wc844. One wonders if this powder is a commercial grade of wc844T? opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeff, that's exactly what I was wondering. Since the war is slowing down, maybe someone got stuck with a few train car loads of this stuff and needs a new market for it? | |||
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If H335 is basicly wc844 couldn`t H335 be the commercial grade of wc844T also?  I don`t know for sure but, rumor I`ve ran across claims it is actually SMP-842 which is the powder being used in the M-855 cartridge which has an all copper bullet. Again, rumor. I can`t offer proof. I can say however it followed Hodgdons data very close with 32gr V-Max at a vel equaling the books max at 0.5gr under in my Remington (I quit @ 29.5gr and saw 4067 fps). Accuracy was in leaque with H4895 or Benchmark in this rifle. I see better accuracy with 35/39gr bullets though and haven`t tried this powder with them. Copper fouling was very light and a single afternoon soak with Wipeout seems to get it all out. Carbon fouling appears a bit heavier though to my eye. ------------------------------------ The trouble with the Internet is that it's replacing masturbation as a leisure activity. ~Patrick Murray "Why shouldn`t truth be stranger then fiction? Fiction after all has to make sense." (Samual Clemens) "Saepe errans, numquam dubitans --Frequently in error, never in doubt". | |||
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If it would be of any interest, I made a side by side comparison of H335 and WCC844 for viewing under microscope. Very similar in grain size composition, however every granule of WCC844 had a tiny perforation.....r in w. | |||
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I purchased 40 lbs of WC844 a couple weeks ago...I hope it gets real pleantyfull ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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I have used both H335 and 844 in .223 and .223AI. To get the same velocity, I have to use + 1.0 gr of the 844. The 844 seems to be easier to clean. | |||
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All of the burn rate charts I've seen put CFE223 between Varget and H380, close to IMR4320. | |||
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H335 and WC 844 are the same "spec" powders. Every lot of powder varies from every other lot of powder to some extent. Sometimes this variation is significant and sometimes it is negligible. "Cannister" grade powders (those sold though the retail system under a commercial brand designation) are typically restricted to lots of powder which fall within a close range of variance. The different lots of the same powder which fall outside that range of variation are not marketed as "cannister" powders but rather are sold to ammunition manufacturers who adjust their loads to the burning characteristics of a particular lot of powder. Some of these higher-variation lots are sold to surplus dealers and marketed under the powder's spec designation -- in this case WC844. The two lots of powder you have happen to bear the relationship you describe. This is similar with two lots of these powders in my current powder inventory. However, it would be a mistake to assume that the same relationship always holds true. It is entirley possible for a lot of WC844 to indicate faster than a lot H335. As to the counter-copper fouling characteristics of a certain powder, I am somewhat dubious, but open to the presentation of evidence. | |||
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Joe, wc844T is SUPPOSED to be slightly cooler burning.. according to pat's reloading ... but, since there's literally metric tons of it, i would expect it to be slightly slower than wc844 .. just slightly but thats going off memory opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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A friend of mine really likes the CFE223 in several small caliber rifles. He said it really reduced fowling and made it easy to clean. | |||
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Jeff I think I was misunderstood. I wasn`t talking about H335 but that CFE223 as being the same as SMP-842 and not wc844T I don`t disagree H335 could very well be wc844. Again I don`t know this as fact and can`t point to proof. This is just what I`ve heard about CFE223.
Stonecreek, copper fouling reducers have been present in powders for some time, they are just now being mentioned as a sales pitch. The military has used them, and St Marks has put it in their ball powders for some time. Tin is the additive and a quick look at MSDS sheets will identify the powders that have it. Most newer Hodgdon powder such as Benchmark have it too ------------------------------------ The trouble with the Internet is that it's replacing masturbation as a leisure activity. ~Patrick Murray "Why shouldn`t truth be stranger then fiction? Fiction after all has to make sense." (Samual Clemens) "Saepe errans, numquam dubitans --Frequently in error, never in doubt". | |||
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You know, I asked about a specific new powder and and if anyone had used it and what their experience with it was. I DID NOT ask what its liable to be comparable to, or if it was a surplus of some sort. Of the 11 or so respondents to this question, only 1 person came even close to answering the question I asked and I thank him for that. And while this post may lead people to believe I'm overly sensitive, stick to the posts question if you please, or start your own post if folks want to discuss some other aspect of the question. | |||
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Now you know how the moderator in a Presidential debate feels. | |||
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Makes it harder to kill birds? Don't take offense -- just having fun. I'm guilty of plenty of misspellings myself. | |||
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You are bein overly sensitive. I hadn't realized these forums had a new owner If you require specific answers than I suggest you write the maker of the powder. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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See rule Number 1 Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Stonecreek--No problem, I realized it as soon as I hit the post button. | |||
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