Hey, maybe we should start a new thread (Is hunting with anthing other than a single loader really hunting?)

On second thought. na

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Endeavor to Persevere

So a guy who has totally switched to bow hunting posts on the "reloading" forum about long range hunting..Starts off with a "question" then reveals his opinion after 5 replies...PULEEZ.

I'm not even gonna' take the bait...

It really looks like defending a position to me. We all hunt, wild game or wilder game, and we all want to win, that is, hit what we aim at, and we all use the same reasons for doing it or to condem what we think isn't right. If you really look at it, you can use just about the same argument for doing some thing and for not doing something, ANYTHING. politicians do it to us all the time.

I'm very thankfull I can hunt at all. The gun grabbers keep taking away our rights.

If I want to take a 2000 yard shot with a rifle or a 20 yard shot with a bow and call it hunting OR target practic that is my right and I don't make excuses to anyone or give reasons why or why not. It's not your concern nor any of your business.

That being said, if you have the capabilities and the rifle to make a clean kill, THEN DO IT. If you don't fit the bill, then don't be a butcher, there are fewer and fewer animals and more and more hunters every year. I get tired of seeing dead deer and other animals that hunters have left to die a slow death because they can't hit their asses with a pickup seat. That goes for the bow hunters also. Every year I find 2 or 3 deer with arrows sticking out of their bodies and the only thing good about it is the coyotes I kill gnawing on the carcasses and the free antlers.

Well, how about it guys?

Maybe if I state: "Attn, check your urine launchers at the door". Aka, no pissing contests allowed??

It's too bad such guys don't feel comfortable discussing this topic on this forum, I thought the idea was we could talk about anything here...I kind of like the atmosphere here most of the time, but I don't like the treatment about this subject, it's ok to have an opinion, but I think sometimes poeple can go overboard...

Just some random thoughts on the subject, pay them no heed.

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I HUNT LONG RANGE.AND YES I USE MATCHKING'S.

I am the owner of the www.LongRangeHunting.com forum site. I am very pleased to meet you. I have been out of the country for a week or so hunting Coues deer in Mexico and I am just now catching up with the posts on this very fine Accurate Reloading forum. I like the tone of your questions and the sincere approach in your quest for knowledge about LRH. While I am not a 2k hunter, we certainly have some fine examples of them as members on our site.

I am glad you registered as a member on our site. Actually, it is possible to just browse existing posts without going through the �draconian� process of becoming a member eligible for posting your own questions. But---let me tell you why we post rules on the registration page. I just checked my computer files and found that the date was 12/2/97 (4 years ago) when I posted �Whitetail buck at 459 yards� on the rec-hunting newsgroup. Boy, does anyone here even remember the term �newsgroup�?

Anyway, I was then just a budding long range hunter who was looking for someone with which to discuss my new passion. Well, I got hammered by nay-sayers! It took all the fun right out of my post. Sometime later I saw Dave King�s post on his 900 yard elk---may have been on Huntinfo. I don�t recall. Same problem for him. Just got hammered! I frequented Huntamerica quite a bit after that and tried to discuss LRH there and had problems again. Finally, I posted the question �who would like to form a very small email discussion group to discuss LRH away from nay-sayers?� The administrators at Huntamerica saw my post and generously offered instead to start a LR section as part of their forum. I thought we finally had a sanctuary! Wrong again after only about a month.

So---I started my own site called www.LongRangeHunting.com back in May of 2001. I make it very clear that anyone can become a member but that this new site would be the only known sanctuary in the world of the internet for LRH discussions and therefore there are a few basic rules about what can be posted. There are many places on the internet where people can argue about, criticize or otherwise disparage LRH. I didn�t think our site had to duplicate what was already available out there. If you want to learn---or share---�how to LRH�, you are welcome. If you want to question ethics, question stated skill levels of another member, or just plain be a jerk---you can�t remain a member. Ethics are very important to serious LRH�s, we just don�t find it to be productive or necessary to discuss it on our forum.

So, anyway, BigBore---welcome. And by the way, when you asked your first question on LRH about �How is it done�, Darryl suggested you first search our existing posts for the tons of info that�s already laboriously and generously been posted there. If you do that first and then ask a pointed follow-up question I think you will receive a very high quality and generous answer. I post on quite a few non-hunting forums, too, and I find quite often on those forums that a newcomer�s first question will be handled in the same way.

I mentioned above my trip to Mexico. Well, I killed a Coues deer buck with one shot at 660 yards with a Matchking. It was my first such hunt. I recommend it to any serious deer hunter. Pusch Ridge Outfitters --- Kirk Kelso.

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As a relative newcomer to the site, I've been welcomed and received tremendous support and advice.

This does nothing to diminish this forum as well. I compliment Saeed and those who post here. I am always impressed with the knowledge base and expertise on these forums as well, especially the reloading and gusmithing forums (real gunsmiths read and write there, ya' know!).

Oh, and one more thing. I didn't give the registration process on longrangehunting.com a second thought.

Roger

P.S. Man, I can't wait till deer season to try those MK's at 686 yards!

There is a spot in North Carolina which is just as you describe. The regulars go there in the summertime and shoot rocks, to get the distances down. It is altogether too well known already, and some people shoot there who should not.

Tom

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PS - I did get to see a shooting table, not what I was imagining at all,

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R-WEST

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"it is up to God to judge these terrorists; it is up to us to arrange their meeting" Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf

I plan to spend a lot of time at long range hunting.com, learning and improving my skills. Only problem is, this could get real expensive!

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I HUNT LONG RANGE.AND YES I USE MATCHKING'S.

I'm really intrigued by some of the LR Hunting stories over there. Either that's the biggest bunch of liars on the planet, or, their shooting is just on a different plane than ours is (I vote for the latter). Darryl Cassel talks about killing an elk at 2100 yards, and another guy did one at 2890. Over a mile and a half. INCREDIBLE!!!

Just like us, PM's entitled to his opinions. While we may not always agree, free discourse at least keeps the brain cells working. If my hunting involves intentionally looking for an animal at 1000 yards or more, and yours involves sneaking up close and strangling them, by whose definition is either of us hunting or not?
What some of us consider hunting is not always what the other might, but, that doesn't mean either is right or wrong. That's why some guys prefer Remingtons and others like Winchesters, I guess.

Williamsport's only about 3 hrs away - I'm definitely going to stop by this summer at one of their 1000 yard matches.

Boyd - Do you shoot at the Williamsport matches or are you just into LR hunting?

R-WEST

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For every fella that's competent at extreme range, there's 6 or 7 wanna be's. About the same ratio you'd find in the general hunting populace at any range.

For every fella that's competent at extreme range, there's 6 or 7 wanna be's. About the same ratio you'd find in the general hunting populace at any range.

1 a : to pursue for food or in sport <hunt buffalo> b : to manage in the search for game <hunts a pack of dogs>
2 a : to pursue with intent to capture <hunted the escapees> b : to search out : SEEK
3 : to drive or chase especially by harrying <members ... were hunted from their homes -- J. T. Adams>
4 : to traverse in search of prey <hunts the woods>

If you can find one then your eyes are alot better than mine.

1 a (1) : to eject or impel or cause to be ejected or impelled by a sudden release of tension (as of a bowstring or slingshot or by a flick of a finger) <shoot an arrow> <shoot a spitball> <shoot a marble> (2) : to drive forth or cause to be driven forth by an explosion (as of a powder charge in a firearm or of ignited fuel in a rocket) (3) : to drive forth or cause to be driven forth by a sudden release of gas or air <shoot darts from a blowgun> <a steam catapult shoots planes from a carrier> (4) : to propel (as a ball or puck) toward a goal by striking or pushing with part of the body (as the hand or foot) or with an implement; also : to score by so doing <shoot the winning goal> <shoot a basket> (5) : to throw or cast off or out often with force <shoot dice> <the horse shot his rider out of the saddle> b : to cause (as a gun or bow) to propel a missile c (1) : to utter (as words or sounds) rapidly or suddenly or with force <shoot out a stream of invective> (2) : to emit (as light, flame, or fumes) suddenly and rapidly (3) : to send forth with suddenness or intensity <shot a look of anger at them> d : to discharge, dump, or empty especially by overturning, upending, or directing into a slide
2 : to affect by shooting : as a : to strike with a missile especially from a bow or gun; especially : to wound or kill with a missile discharged from a bow or firearm b : to remove or destroy by use of firearms <shot out the light>;
4 a : to engage in (a sport or game or a portion of a game that involves shooting) : PLAY <shoot pool> <shoot a round of golf> <shoot craps> b (1) : to place or offer (a bet) on the result of casting dice <shoot $5> (2) : to use up by or as if by betting : EXHAUST <shot his annual bonus on a shady deal>

I do believe that the definition of shooting also pertains to bows and arrow too.

Have a great day there buddy!

All I have to say is WOW! If that were realy true. Well I just got to see that.

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Originally posted by Predator Master:
The real diffrence "Big Bore" is the words you spoke of Hunter vs. Shooter! Plain and simple fact you shoot I hunt! When you get done "Shooting" you 434 lazer range found live target does your buddy next to you say "Het Big Bore Great Shot!" or does he say "What a Hunt! I thought so!

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I would venture to say that his friend would say both. great shot and great hunt.
Don't take my word for it, take Dean Duram's on the "TreeLounge" videos. "hey let's go hunting". and "I've had a great hunt." Before and after he shoots the deer 200+ yards.

Andrew V. McGee

Time to wake up, Pal

When we go hunting we should limit ourselves to shots no longer than 40 yards. That is it. That is the big idea. How does it sound??? Will this make me a "better hunter"?

Predator Master,
Another thought. When you(PM) are in your treestand in a tree above the sight and smell of a deer, do you wait there all day until a deer walks under you for a shot? How can you call this hunting and then tell me I am not "really hunting" because I took a 125 yard shot. We did the same thing, only distance and weapon are different. I guess the logical assumtion would be that someone is "not really hunting" unless they hunt with a BOW like you do under 40 yards.

"I hunt big game with a bow so 40 yards is my limit and anything beyond that I feel is target shooting. Please let us all know your thoughts on this subject and why." Quoted from Predator Master's first post.

One of the mistakes of your post is to put all hunting over 40 yards in the same catagory as the Long Range Hunters. I ,for one, am not good enough to shoot as far as they...... Not yet .

You do have the right to your opinion. And that is all it is!

Andrew V. McGee