I was looking at using RL7 or 10X and was hoping someone might be using these powders.
I have a Weatherby Vanguard .223 with a 24 inch barrel.
My current loads are 50g V-Max, 26.5g AR2206(ADI Powder)Fed primer. Average velocity is 2450fps and usually shoots .5MOA or less at 100m. Also my hunting load is 55g Sierra GK, 26.5g AR2206 Fed primers. Average velocity is 3313fps and that will shoot .5MOA at 100m. This load is 1gr over book max and has no signs of pressure.
Both loads are compressed loads.
The reason I am asking about the Reloader powders is that AR2206 is no longer made. Its now AR2206H. I know that should shoot ok but I would like to get a bit more velocity out of it and I heard that reloader 7 might be the go.
If you respond please include load, FPS and avge group size. Many thanks.

I believe AR2206H is the same as H4895 here in the states, and I`ve had excellent results with it and 50-55gr bullets. varget - AR2208 is another good choice with the heavier bullets.

Rl.7 AND RL 10.. used both of them regularly....especially RL 7...

for 50 to 55 grainers, I max out at 24 grains..

Rl 10 is good for 26 grains...

work up tho, as all rifles vary...

with RL 7, and 40 grainers, that can push them to 4000 fps in a 223..

[/QUOTE]with RL 7, and 40 grainers, that can push them to 4000 fps in a 223..[/QUOTE]

Thats flying. Do they group good...ie .5moa? Do you prefer RL7 to RL10X? How much room is left in the case with 26grains?

cheers for your info.

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Originally posted by Taupo Hunter:
I was looking at using RL7 or 10X and was hoping someone might be using these powders.
I have a Weatherby Vanguard .223 with a 24 inch barrel.
My current loads are 50g V-Max, 26.5g AR2206(ADI Powder)Fed primer. Average velocity is 2450fps and usually shoots .5MOA or less at 100m. Also my hunting load is 55g Sierra GK, 26.5g AR2206 Fed primers. Average velocity is 3313fps and that will shoot .5MOA at 100m. This load is 1gr over book max and has no signs of pressure.
Both loads are compressed loads.
The reason I am asking about the Reloader powders is that AR2206 is no longer made. Its now AR2206H. I know that should shoot ok but I would like to get a bit more velocity out of it and I heard that reloader 7 might be the go.
If you respond please include load, FPS and avge group size. Many thanks.

I do use both the RE7 and 10X powders, for the RE7 ive shot 21.5grs, wsr primer, Win brass with 55VM and got a .407"(5 shot) group, a very accurate load with this same bullet and 20.5grs of RE10X got me a 1.5" 10 shot group @200yds. Velocity should be right around 3000pfs. You could workup to more grains with the Sierra 55 with both these powders, I loaded upwards 22grs RE10X with 52 & 53MKs, no signs of high pressure.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/r...derid=7&cartridge=46

http://www.alliantpowder.com/r...erid=24&cartridge=46
26 is very hot for the 55s for RE10x, the group size fell off after 20.5grs with the 55VMAXs in my 700VS. 22grs RE7shooting 55FMJswere a bit hot in my sons AR15. Though I was using LC brass. Be careful out there in NZ.

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Originally posted by Taupo Hunter:
...Weatherby Vanguard .223 with a 24 inch barrel...My current loads are 50g V-Max, 26.5g AR2206(ADI Powder)Fed primer. Average velocity is 2450fps...

I assume you meant 3,450??

The .223 Rem is a great round that shoots very well with sooo many powders. I have had great luck with many of them.

Someone above mentioned cleanliness. I do shoot the .223 out of both bolt and gas operated guns. In my gas guns I only use one of two powders because they give the LEAST amount of fouling and gunk in the chamber/action:
-Hodgdon Benchmark
-Ramshot TAC

-VV N133 was pretty clean too, but the other two above were great.

One of the very accurate but DIRTY powders is Win 748. But like almost all ball powders, messy. Some of the double-based ball powders are less so.

At any rate, good luck!

P.S. out of curiosity, what brands of powders do you have available to you in N.Z.?

Thanks for the responses guys. Yes I did mean 3455fps.
In NZ we can get Winchester, ADI, Hogdon, Vihtavuori, Alliant and several other brands that I dont use. ADI is the the faithfull always can get powder. Just recently we have been able to get the Alliant Reloader powders. I must say I am very impressed with these powders. Also in New Zealand we do get extreme temp variation like other places so that helps. I have a friend that getting 3000fps with 165g sst out of his 3006 Sako 75 Finlite 18inch barrel with RL17. thats impressive. The loads have been cooked to find safe pax pressure and then backed off. He did get up to 3100fps and it still shot sub MOA. I will try so RL7 and post the results.

h335

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
h335

Absolutely!

Like I said guys, please post more than just what powder you are using. H335 might me good, but if I cant push a 50 V-Max faster than what I am doing now while still maintaining tight groups I'm not gaining anything.
So far with the Reloader powders we are finding with ladder testing we can push bullets faster with less pressure signs than our usual handloads or factory loads. In some cases we have found that factory ammo is showing more signs of pressure.
With 26.5gr of AR2206 my case is full. So I was hoping that RL7 or 10X might allow me to get more out of my little .223. Thanks for your posts and information.

i use h335, and it provides excellent accuracy .. but the load is just book.

the military uses a powder very very muck like h335 for loading the 223 ... go figure?

For light bullets (< 60 grains), I use H335. For heavy bullets (77 & 80 grain), which are used in National Match across-the-course (200, 300, and 600 yard) shooting, I use RL-15.

Hope this helps,
Bill.

Thanks bill. I only have a 1-12 twist so dont fire anything ovef 55. I was trying so Berger 64gr and some Targex 60gr (targex are custom hand swagged in J4 jackets made by a friend). They were ok at 100m but at 200m not good.
My wife shot her PB in prone with my Weatherby Vanguard/Anschutz target stock and a Timney trigger at 200m in the NZDA nationals a couple of years ago. She shot a 99.6 at 200m. She won gold in her grade and came second overall (she beat me). The mirage was so bad she couldn't even see her bullet holes so she just kept aiming for the center. There were plenty of rifles worth 5k plus on the line that day mine included. Not bad for a budget rifle aye. Her load that day was 26gr AR2219(H322), 52g Targex bullets, fed match primer and Lapua brass.

I now use the Targex 52 with 26.5gr AR2206 and find in the wind at 200m they are much better. With AR2219 they were too slow on a windy day and blew all over the page.

My rifle is a 6ppc and thats not too bad at 200m

I have three different 223 guns and the best shooting with all bullet weights in my guns have been with AA2230. In two of the three guns it also provided the highest velocity.

I use 25.5grs. of Benchmark powder behind a Hornady 50gr. V-max or 50gr. Nosler bt. using CCI 400 primer. Getting 3442fps. out of my 26" Remington.

Finally did some more load development.

50gr V-max, 27.5gr AR2206H, Fed primer = 3480fps .201 three shot group. (cant get any more in there)

55gr SGK 27gr AR 2206H Fed primer, = 3330fps .118 inch three shot group. Head shot a Sika at 110 yards with that one.

Best loads I have ever had for that gun.

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Originally posted by Randominator:
I have three different 223 guns and the best shooting with all bullet weights in my guns have been with AA2230. In two of the three guns it also provided the highest velocity.

This is the same for me. I like the AA powders in the 223 both in the 55 FMJ AR loads and the 69 gr Match loads. I dont shoot the 50's but the Sierra, Nosler and Hornady books have some good loads.

I've tried a bunch of different powders that work well. The .223 doesn't seem finicky to me.

What I want is CFE223 but can't seem to find it.