would anyone here be interested in loading up some rounds for me ? I am buying a rem ti in either 260 or 7mm-08 and would like to run a good bullet not one off the shelf . I work 16 hour days and just dont have the time to reload or I would do it myself. Sorry if it is not proper to ask this here .

Wild One
contact www.superiorammo.com
They will load you the bullet of your choice.

wildone, I've got 708 dies and a Rem S/S 708, and would be glad to do it, I've got a few good loads for 150MK, 150 Bal. tip and 139gr. Hornady, The only thing is, are you going to send me the materials and costs for shipping back to you or how do you want to do it, If you have new brass, I won't charge you a dime, used brass I just charge for whatever I use in case lube, couple of bucks. Let me know, Jay

To be honest I will not load for anyone without having the use of their rifle for measuring throat length and for load development.If you can't measure the throat and test fire loads you can't know which overall length will chamber properly and be a suitable distance from the lands,which loads will be most accurate in that rifle or even which loads will be safe in the rifle.

[ 07-10-2003, 06:39: Message edited by: stubblejumper ]

Stubblejumper, I know what your saying, thought of that, as far as fitting the load to the lands, I'm figuring that Rem. is going to cut their chambers to the same saami specs and that would make Wild ones and mine pretty much interchangeable, I know I've got a short throat, his shouldn't be any shorter, besides the loads I've got all fit the magazine and saami specs for the 708, 2.800-2.830" If his rifle shoots factory ammo with no problems, mine will work fine, I don't use max loads, I know there still could be problems, he could get the same type of problems with Superior Ammo. Jay

I have loaded for several remington 700's including three 700bdlss-det/mags that were bought at the same time.The throats varied by a great deal more than I expected for supposedly identical rifles as one was more than .050" shorter than the other two.Loads that showed no pressure signs in one rifle were too hot for the other two and the most accurate loads in each rifle varied as well.
If you loaded very mildl powder charges and seated the bullets quite deep you could make safe ammunition but it may or may not shoot any better than factory loads unless you experiment with several loads and your velocity would be quite low in order to be safe without a rifle to test with.
Other people may feel comfortable sending untested loads to someone but I would not.I believe that if the job is worth doing it is worth doing right.

[ 07-10-2003, 07:30: Message edited by: stubblejumper ]

Hey Jay, I'd strongly discourage you or someone else from loading ammo for any other person.

I used to do it myself, but things have changed considerably over the years. Though I agree with stubblejumper's concern, the BIGGEST concern is if something happens to Wild One, his firearm or anyone else who may happen upon "your" ammo.

It won't matter if he was using your ammo at the time, if he accidentally got something jamed in the barrel, if someone else just picked up some of your cartridges and began shooting them or whatever. Way too many people intentionally looking for ways to sue someone for you to set yourself up like this.

In fact, one of the World's Worst Ambulance/Hurse Chasers posts on this site as an aleged Gunsmith. Should Wild One happen to somehow blow up his firearm, he(the aleged Gunsmith) would be at the head of the line to "Testify AGAINST you".

It could ruin you financially for the rest of your life. If you are living with your parents, it could cost them everything.

Reloading for ANYONE besides yourself is a BAD IDEA!

[ 07-11-2003, 02:47: Message edited by: Hot Core ]

In the US, it is a violation of Federal law to load/reload ammunition for another person without the proper BATFE FFL permits.

Definitely a bad idea in my mind....

Regards, Bill

Wild one:

Check out this site:

http://www.safariarms.com

The owner of this company was the booking agent for my first safari, and I carried a box of his premium ammo to Africa for my PH.

Rick.

Wild one,
You know bud, there are lots of really good factory loads for the 7mm-08, from lots of different companies, you can get partitions, ballitic tips, game kings, and lots of other great bullets in factory loads.
You might want to cruise some of the factory ammo offerings, especially if you choose 7mm=08.

regards,
Graycg

I agree with Hot Core 100%. What he sez is sad but true.

Try Conley Precision Cartridge (link below). They load almost every bullet you could want for a 7mm-08. My dad used my 7mm-08 Rem classic last weekend to take a hog with a 160g partition, something I could not find from the big ammo manufacturers. I have had good experiences with their products. I have no affialiation with the company.

Good luck

http://www.cpcartridge.com/7mm-08P.htm

I agree that it's a bad idea for someone else to do your loading. With todays premium factory ammo there is something out there that will suit your needs untill you can work up your own loads.

Thanks LeftoverDJ, I am certain that I read somewhere that loading/reloading ammunition for another person's use constituted "manufacture", and required the appropriate FFL.

The law does seem to be a little fuzzy to me on this point though. This is from Q&A from the BATFE website:

"H4) Is one who reloads ammunition required to be licensed as a manufacturer? [Back]

Yes, if the person engages in the business of selling or distributing reloads for the purposes of livelihood or profit. No, if the person reloads only for personal use. [27 CFR 178.41]"

Here's the ATFE definition of a "manufacturer":
"Manufacturer. Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing
firearms or ammunition. The term shall include any person who engages in
such business on a part-time basis."

So, if it is not-for-profit, but not for personal use either, it seems to fall into a "grey area"? The actual 27 CFR 178.41 text referenced does not help clarify. Maybe it does boil down to, as you suggested, the definition of "business".

OK, even if not against the US Federal law, I, personally, do not think it is good practice ....

Regards, Bill

Strange that Wild One has not posted again, isn't it? or is it just me?

Yes, tis very strange, make you wonder why and I'm sure there are many possible reasons.

Or just one!

Probably not a good idea to maks any deals to handload for someone else an the web.

No I am still here I have just been watching the events unfold and info being posted . I was also checking with a friend of mine who is an attourney for the governments deffinition of a business. As long as there is no form of compansation be it goods or money there is no illegality. But in the recent discusiions held above I would like to thank the gentleman that offered his help and would also like to respectfully withdraw this request . I will try to find someone local or possibly contact one of the above mentioned busines's. I did not mean to open up a can of worms on this topic , I don't need a whole lot of rounds maybe 30 or so , so for me to go out and buy all the reloading stuuf to make 30 rounds a year it doesn't pay. But thank you anyway I appreciate your generous offer . Dean

I load for myself, my best friend on a rare occasion who Ive known for 25 years, and my brother. But I would NEVER build loads for someone on the internet, nothing personal, just the nature of the internet.

Hey Wild One, I've had a 7mm-08 for a very long time and have used lots of different kinds of bullets in it on Deer. Every one of them worked great when I sent one on it's way. Did have to pass on a few Deer standing in the Beans/Corn/Cotton because the bullets I was using at that time weren't going to make it through 1-2 rows of leaves/stems.

But as has been said, there are lots of bullets available, in many factory cartridges, that will work great for all the Deer I've ever seen.

What bullet is it you are interested in using?

I was wondering if Barnes xlc had one that I could use, I don't know what they have available for this caliber if anything at all?

Wildone, I wouldn't waste my money on a Barnes XLC for deer, too pricey and you just don't need a bullet like that for deer, I'd go with 139gr. SST, or 140-150gr. Bal. tip, and even a 150grMK, which I just shot 2 weeks ago and am getting some fine groups with it I might add, and will do a fine job at bringing home the venison. Jay

Wildone, if you're gonna be a box (or two) a year man, buy yourself a lee loader. They cost about twenty bucks. A pound of powder and a box of bullets and you're set. Oh, a good reloading book. The reloading box makes interesting reading in itself. Contary to popular belief, you do not have to have hundreds and thousands of dollars invested to make good, accurate ammo. And, when you lay your game down, having done it with a cartridge of your making makes it ever so much sweeter.

In order to find an accurate load for your gun you may have to try two or three different powders and perhaps a couple of different bullets and do some load development.If you simply pick a load from a loading manual and pick up a box of bullets and a pound of powder and load them up, you have a good chance of ending up with loads no more accurate than factory loads.If you are unlucky they may not even be as accurate as some factory loads in your rifle.It is true that you don't have to spend a lot on reloading equipment to make handloads that work ,but unless you are extremely lucky and hit a good load by fluke on the first attempt, you still need to do load development to find an accurate load for your rifle.

[ 07-13-2003, 06:17: Message edited by: stubblejumper ]

I also would avoid becoming too hung up on a particular bullet because no matter what gun you have it may not shoot that particular bullet well.I would however choose the 7mm-08 over the 270 or 30-06.

Hotcore, Although a 30-06 doesn't have that much more recoil than a 708, it is noticable and distractive when shooting from a bench, and since a 150gr 708 will outperform a 150 30-06 bullet of the same design at extended range(600 and out), albiet not by much, I wouldn't ever take a 06 over a 708 or a 308 for that matter when hunting deer, and even for elk, the 708 loaded up with 154 Interbonds will do just as well as grandpa '06', I'm probably a little biased on the shorter cartridges since I've been hunting with them for a few years now, used an '06' also, and see that they can do everything an '06' will do in a shorter package. Got a guy I reload for at work that used Failsafes in his 270 and they punch right through making for a small blood trail, would most definitely stay away from bullets with super-controlled type expansion for deer hunting. But, thats just me. Jay

Wild One,

Boddington in one of his books suggested that if you are not going to handload, stick with .243, .270, 7mm Rem. Mag., .30-30, .30-06, .300 Win. Mag., .300 Weatherby Mag., .338 Win. Mag., or .375 H&H for best availability of factory loads. (Personally, I'm not so sure about that Weatherby.)

This will give you a good off-the-shelf selection and availability even in odd places. Although a tiny crossroads store I visited in Allagash, ME had .257 Roberts and 7x57, I wouldn't count on that in general...

BTW, ATF's definition of "engaged in the business" is that it is something a person is doing repetitively, and for the "principal purpose of profit and livelihood", or words to that effect.

John

Hot Core...in response to your questions. I am planing to use this gun for sheep and goat hunts and possibly some caribou. I have kileed game from 5 yards to 525 ( I have been an avid bow hunter for 25 years so the closer the better for me , but the shot needs to be taken then it will be). As far as recoil , I was going to stay with the smaller sa due to the overall weight of this gun being under 6lbs. I plan on getting a 338wsm when the start to make a prodution of them. I do not do a whole lot of shooting just enought to keep the edge. In 25 years of hunting I have only lost one animal I don't take low precentage shots and try to get as close as I possibly can under the circumstances and yes I have a pretty decent trophy room . As far as the xlc goes I liked the weight retention and also it seemed to have a higher SD and BC most of the time just like the balitic tip as well . I am not sold on just one bullet , but I would like to have a gun that can shoot flat have a good amount of energy left at 500 yards with a good sectional density and ballistic co. pretty much like everyone else. I need a bullet that will get the job done when I put it where it needs to be . I have been using a 7 rem mag for over 10 years as my only gun but it is just under 11 pounds all up and it is not what I would call a MTN rifle hence the need for this gun . In all my years of hunting I have only needed to put a second shot into an animal once and and it bothered me , I miscalculated the wind drift , it was blowing harder that I thought but the animal was recovered thankfully.
My original plan was to have a 2 gun battery of 270 wsm and 338 wsm but the production madles on the 270 are not at my target weight hence the Rem Ti in 7-08 , the 338 wsm I would like to have a little more weight on to help reduce recoil maybe 7.5 to 8 lb all up. The 708 will be for whitetail up to sheep and goat and the 338 wil be for elk and moose .

Hey Jay, I understand your points and agree with nearly all of what you said.

Without having known what the actual Game that Wild One wanted to hunt, I'd suggest your selection of a 150gr 7mm might be a bit premature. If for example his Game intentions were Brown Bears, Elk and Moose then a 150gr any caliber just doesn't match up to a 180gr High Energy 30-06 load from Federal or Hornady, as I'm sure you would agree.

Knowing now his Game is a Sheep hiding in those muscle killing mountains, his selection of a Short Action Remington TI and a 7mm-08 sounds pretty good. But, I'd recommend either a 130gr or 140gr bullet as his Optimum Load for it.

By the way, I'm also a Short Action (308Win based cartridges) fan from a very long time ago too. Lots of performance for the package.

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Hey Wild One, Now I see where you are headed. I think your selection has merit.

One other rifle you might want to consider is the Weatherby Ultra-Lightweight with the 24" Fluted barrel. Mine is in 308Win with a Leupold VariX-III mounted on it and it weighs 7 1/4 pounds. It is rated at 5 3/4 pounds without the scope, but it may have been slightly lighter due to it being 30 caliber. Shoots right well too. It is also available in 270Win(24" 5 3/4#) and 7mmRemMag(26" 6 3/4# due to a heavier contour barrel).

So, you might still be able to get one of the rifles you originally wanted, the 270Win in a rifle that meets your requirements.

Just noticed it is also available in the 257Wby(26" 6 3/4#) and would be quite a flat shooter.

Try 500mg of Vitamin C four times a day to eliminate the Leg Cramps when climbing. Anyway, best of luck on your quest for the new rifle and the Sheep.

Hotcore, My rifle is a 700 S/S W/HS Sporter stock and 3.5-10x Leupold, probably goes 8.25lbs, unbelievable accuracy with 150BT and MKs, which shoots almost as flat as a 140grainer, about 2" lower at 400 when zero'd at 200, and has a bit more energy at 600, I guess I'm looking at extreme ranges where a higher BC bullet would come in handier. Jay

My own sheep rifle is a custom 7mmstw built on a stainless 700 action with a mcmillan stock and 3x10x42 swarovski 1" scope.It weighs just over 9lbs scoped and I have no problems carrying it in the mountains.If weight was my priority I would go with the 700ti in 7mm-08 as wild one is considering.I have owned two weatherby mark 5's and will not be owning another as they were not worth the money in my opinion.Accuracy was within the 1-1/2" guarantee but was not as good as my much cheaper factory 700's.

Stubblejumper, My Rem 708 is so accurate, I might go BR shooting with it, your right, Weatherby's aren't worth the money. Jay

For sheep, goats and caribou I'd recommend the Nosler Partition 140-grain bullet at as close to 2900 FPS as your 7/08 will permit, consistent with accuracy. This load would do for any of these three critters at ranges up to at least 300 yards. But the load would have to be developed with and for your particular rifle, to be optimal at all....

Larry, You gotta be kiddin' about using a Partition for the game you mentioned, right. Why would that be neccesary, when they are all easy to put down with a regular spire point bullet, spending that kind of money for a large deer and a couple of goats is a total waste of money IMO, Like I said, I'm going with 150MK, Ballistic tip or 120 Hornady HP, got some 139SSTs I want to try out too, any of these will take them down right now, probably better than a Partition would, Partitions tend to zip right through leaving a small blood trail, and the first two bullets I mentioed have enough out past 600 yds. If the shooter is up to it. Jay

I am not crazy about the partitions either . I used them once on a muley hunt and blew a tremendous hole exit side on a deer at 200 yards. It was a shame the amount of meat I lost on that deer. Reason I thought the xlc's would be good was because of the 90+% weight retention , nice even controlled expantion , what do I know though someone please inform me Most here know more about this than I do. I have been shooting sierra game king 165 gr boat tails out of my 7 rem mag for years and have they have killed everything they have touched.

Hot Core, Never owned a Weatherby, got a friend that has a MarkV in 300Weatherby, very nice rifle, just an opinion, being that, for the cost of one Weatherby I can get 2 rifles like the 708 I've got now, And I'm getting matchgrade type accuracy with it to boot, paid 465 plus 200 for the HS stock, I've got nothing against Weatherby, just don't feel they're worth the money you pay for them,(cost/accuracy factor). I've got the same feeling about Leupold scopes, very nice scopes, my 708 wears one in fact, but I'm not going to pay hundreds of dollars more when I can get a Burris of same quality for less money. I've shot 3 deer with 150 Nosler, 110 paces being the longest shot, that was with a load I had chrono'd at 2300 fps at the muzzle, for an instant kill through the liver, I've not used the other bullets mentioned, but since they're meant for medium game, I'd like to try them out, I know Sierra doesn't suggest to use the MKs for game, but some of the fellows on Longrangehunting.com are getting excellent results with them, DRT results. Jay

I can't recall how many white tails, mulies and elk I've killed with partitions but its a lot and I have never had a problem with them "zipping thru" nor with them not getting the job done. Don't know about the blood trails as a blood trail isn't needed if the animal is laying within sight of where he was shot.

Wild One, I wonder about the Partition making to big a hole for someone who uses Game Kings. Also, where did you get the 165 grain Game Kings for the 7mm, I never new Sierra made these muchless made them available in factory loaded ammo.