Well folks it looks like the drought is over.Fox skin prices look to be going up this year in auz.
This old shooter is going up to the north of south auz and is going to finish his Roo quota for the year & then the .223 is going away& the hornet is going to start earnig a living for the winter!

a .223 and a hornet? Any WHAT is your handle? I think you need a new gun or a new name.

Brent

DoK, best of luck to ya! Long live the Hornet!

Brent, I don't follow...even the Keith used small bores once in awhile. He opined that the .264 Win. would be a fine varmint round.

Dan

Pres., TYHC

www.FloatLikeAButterfly.StingLikeABee

DD was just joking. I always associate Keith with big blunt heavy slow bullets.

He was a bit too modern for me however.

Brent

You have Luddite tendancies, a not altogether unsatisfactory circumstance in this house.

Dan

Pres., TYHC

www.ThePaper.Jacket

Indeed, a Luddite and proud of it....Bullet for REAL men

Brent, Just out of curiosity do you nitrate your patches? derf

Derf, I been looking for a Nitrous Oxide patch myself.

PT, wouldn't it be kind of hard to make a shot while giggling uncontrolably!! derf

Not with a scattergun boys, in fact I often laugh hysterically when blasting crats with my paper patched loads of #6 and a nitrous tank from the racing shop. It takes one helluva long time to patch all that shot though.

On a lighter note: derf, the nitrating of patches for bullets is not done. Paper wrapped charges ARE nitrated though, the purpose being to burn up the cartridge. Two different processes for two different goals. The rifling cuts the patch on a bullet sufficiently to allow it to disentegrate and separate from the bullet after it exits the muzzle...or at least it should.

Funny how technology runs in circles, the case for the M1 tank main gun uses a case that is consumed upon firing, so did the breechloading percussion Sharps. The projectile uses a discarding sabot, sorta like the...old paper patched buffalo cartridges. Wonder if an old PP percussion Sharps could take out a Rooskie tank? Well, at least it would ring their ears a little.

Dan

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www.SomethingOld.SomethingNew

Derf,
No nitrate. A burned patch is a failed patch. I lube them with special lubes however.

I'm kinda a nut about it.
Brent

A note about Keith, I have not read anything he wrote, but I is common knowledge he liked big bores. In my mettallic cartride reloading book, there is a cartride somwhere around a .378 weatherby, that Keith alledgedly thought was just right for elk. Large bullet travelling very fast. Works well for crats I wouls suspect.

I knew of the nitrating of paper cartridges and was thinking that the nitrating of a pp just might give the bullet a bit of a boost.
On the topic of Sharps power, a friend of mine had a 50/140 from C Sharps Arms many years ago when they were still affordable. He put 5 rounds into a piece of 1/4 plate at about 100 yards which was hanging on a single piece of chain. Each time he fired at it, the plate just jiggled a bit like it might from a near miss.
After the fifth round he just had to go look to see how much he was missing by. DD can tell you what happens when a 50 hits mild steel, 5 perfect holes that looked like they had been drilled and deburred. No extrution and no bending of the plate, and this from pope loaded soft lead boolits! derf

derf, never underestimate the unholy power of sectional density.

On that subject, there was a show on the Military Channel(previously 'Wings') regarding future firepower. It ran the course from semi-conventional small arms and combination guns to lasers and rail guns. The short segment on rail guns was fascinating and it seems they are making some progress there. They were using a retangular bore with a cone-tailed dart of some alloy like kryptonite or something, the discarding sabot of aluminum. Velocities in the range of 6,000 fps with repeat shot capability within very short time frames, though I don't recall what that was. Back in the Reagan Era of Starwars they were looking for speeds of 20K fps but had no luck with repeatability due to bore damage. Imagine the day when individual hand held weapons render tanks obsolete, each gunner an army of one.

Imagine such a tool loaded with steel bearings, on a tripod pintel mount on the high ground at the local dump, and crats in the open.

Dan

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Brent sorry I havent been able to reply sooner Ive been out bush earning a living (I shoot Kangeroos for a living) and my rifle of choice is the .223 & as this winter it looks like Fox skins are going to make me a better return Ill be using the hornet as I do not enjoy the lucury of meat or skin damage! In my own time where I can aford to blast away with gayb abandon I choose to use a brace of Super blackhawks in the choice of the master .44mag & 45-70 marlin (throw back of my Buff shooting days & Camel& donkey fiascos) hence the 'Handle'

An antipodal fox hunting story would be great when the time is right Mr. DoK. I still have in my mind's eye a picture and story of Keith shooting his Big Fifty in the snow banks of his range and relating that he just went to the backstop in the spring and picked the spent slugs up for remoulding.

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Originally posted by N. S. Sherlock: I still have in my mind's eye a picture and story of Keith shooting his Big Fifty in the snow banks of his range and relating that he just went to the backstop in the spring and picked the spent slugs up for remoulding.

I do not think that our "DoK", will be able to do that where he lives.

Hog Killer

Snow drifts aye??? What about sanddunes or the BLOODY SALT LAKE I GOT BOGGED IN THE OTHER NIGHT WITH 1.2 TONNE OF ROOS ON BOARD!!!!!!!! .MATEthere was nearly photos posted of a toyota shot to hell and back (I was not a happy camper).The moral of this story?no matter how tired you are at the end of the night dont take short cuts

Remember DoK, Live and Learn, not, Live and Relearn.

Hog Killer

DoK, funny thing you say that about your Toyota, 'cause yesterday I was down at the wharf pickin' up some fresh shrimp off of the St. Anthony. What to my puzzled eyes should appear but the ass end of a Ford F150, with a half dozen ax holes in it. The Captain said his mate has a bit of a short fuse, and happened to go off one day in near proximity to the truck with an ax in his hand. This only because the Jiffy Mart was out of Red Man Tobacco. Sure glad I didn't mention what I'd seen his wife doin' while he was out catchin' the shrimp! (burp)

Dan

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www.Tricky.Bitches

Dont worry fellas My whole being bogged episod was a learning curve

DoK,,more pressure on the gas peadal sometimes helps,,,,if not,,,you were allready stuck,,So what the hell Closed the bar one frigid night,,with some drinking buddies,,one of them ran into another "buddie" I had never met,,He talked us into "running slop pits" with him. Slop pits are about 40' wide and 100' long and 15' deep made to recive the millings/slop from a rotary oil well drilling rig.On the first run,,,he had made it across the pit,,had his front wheels on firm ground,,,,ass end sinking fast,,,,Hey put it in fwd and get the truck out of this pit!!!! The reply was "uh,,I blew out the front driveshaft,,,,it's sitting on my bench at the shop"I really had a burning desire to smack some sense into his head ,,We were 6 mi. into b.f.e. And every 100 yds. of that 6 mi. hike,,I turned to him and said"You dumbass"Clay

I have shot a few fox,trapped alot more.I really liked the .17 Remington for fox,for hide hunting.Berger bullets.

Clay buster my down fall was that I had, had a shocker of a night at work (3 blown tyres blown spot light,wind blowing a gale &Roos were wearing Kevlar!!!!!!!!) anyway my base camp was on the other side or a Salt lake (Lake Gardner in the north of South Austalia) I had to drive another 3-4 kms to get roound the lake to get to camp .When in my wisdom I thought (First mistake ) Hey it's only about 500meters across here and there looks to be a bit of a solid section here(2nd mistake) I wont do what years of living in the Bush has taught me.(Get out & see if it is solid ) I'll be 'right I' ill just get a good run up & charge across it!!!!!! (fatal mistake ). Anyway the result was to say the least spectacular!!! I lost my nights work & to make things worse I got sprung digging myself out by another shooter who was only to glad to sit on dry land and offer the wealth of his experiance in useing a shovel (when I get the time I must send his WIDOW a card)Kick back the 17 was very popular during the 70s &80s for shooting Foxes here in auz but it seemed to fade out as fast as it came on the scene

Dang,,,,,Sounds like it was one hell of a night for you!!!

Claybuster .I won't say it was a average night in the office.But I cried as I had to dump the nights profits.The worst part was everybody in the area that I was shooting in (about 700squ kms)Heard about it on the bush telegraph. so my wife knew even before I got home from the trip!!!!!!!! So needless to say I'm still paying for it

BTW, if any of you guys haven't read Elmer Keith, (hughjass! listen up!) he wrote one of the most interesting books I ever read. It was, "Hell, I was there". It was a chronicle of his young days in the North West and will keep you riveted for hours.
Since it was written over a half century ago, I'm sure it is out of print, but a good library should have it.
I was fortunate enough to hear some of it first hand, and a more entertaining gent has never lived.

D.O.K. It's sometimes a bitch living in a tight Knit group,,,,I live in one myself,,,if one knows,,,everyone knows,,,,,, cLAY

Clay know where your comming from ! Their wipping us out at about 2 shooters per week at the moment by cutting our quoters& putting our permits up to the limits ($750.00 per year)Its funny we get between 46-72cents a kilo but the finnished product in the supermarket chiller costs $11.75 per kilo Ah well nobody ever said that pro shooters were rocket scientists.Though I recon we have the best office in the world & we're our own bosses at the end of the day Not every one can boast that their lunch room is under the Milkyway without traffic or pollution or any one to bother you.Yeah at the end of the day .I love my job

Jlongo
Tell more my friend!
Do I interpret that you knew Ol Elmer personally?
He was a very entertaining genuine shot.
APB