Just out of curiosity, what's it with all of the talk of killing cats? I personally don't have a problem with cats. They keep my mouse and starling populations down. Not to mention that it is a felony in soome states to shoot or maim domesticated animals. Matter of fact, I think it is in the Animal Cruelties Act of the Federal Governement. In some areas, I think that they are just like shooting Robins or Songbirds. I know for a fact that North and South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana, and Texas have laws against shooting cats, but not sure on other states. You might want to check your local laws before even talking about it anymore. Some people just don't want to hear about it!

For one thing, they live on my truck in the winter. I get a really good coating of mud and corn stalks applied, and they come in and rub it off. When I come out my back door, they tear off and scratch it and my car as well. Twenty five thousand dollar truck vs. worthless, murdering, disease carrying vermin.

They carry toxoplasma ghondi, nasty disease. Causes “keyhole†effect in children’s eyes. Cat scratches a pregnant female, the parasite crosses the placenta and can cause blindness in the child.

They kill my bluebirds and house wrens.

They expand their range into the fields and forest, and eat lots of quail and rabbits. They are a competitor to my ability to hunt my own land, and enjoy the fruits of those labors.

They dig up, and crap in my azaleas.

Your turn, list their redeeming qualities.

They might be a nuisance to you, but you are wrong in one thing. Not all cats carry the toxoplasmosis 'bug'. That's about like saying all ticks carry or cause Rocky Mountain Fever, or all dogs worms. It's a common myth and misconception coming from someone who knows pretty well first hand. My brother-in-law is a vet. If they are bothering you so much, why not call animal control on them and have them removed. To me there is no honor in killing a non-game animal. Or at least something you don't plan on eating. That's just my point of view, and I know of quite a few others that share the same.

If I were to use your reasoning behind it, I would say that the cats kill of all of the mice that would eventually try and enter my home or barns. Everyone knows that mice can carry Bubonic Plague. And while I'm at it, I better kill of my dog because the fleas he carries in my house can cause the plague as well. Do the research.

Kaintuck, mebbe you got it backerds. This entire website is about killin' stuff, mostly to eat, some just to hang on the wall. That covers it for the Cat Forum. Er, the Small Game Forum. They are disease carriers, they are non-native species gone wild, or feral as the city slickers like to say. They plunder and pillage native species and small game, piss on my truck too on occasion. And my gators have just emerged from their winter hideouts, AND they are hungry too. There have been a few crats discussed here that have displayed a bit of merit, but for the most part, crats suck. There is no season on 'em here in the Windy State.

Dan

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If I could get all the "cat lovers" to quit letting them breed, and then dumping their kittens on the fist country road they come to out of town (that would be my road), spay and neuter them, and keep them up, there would not be a problem. I do not own cats, nor do I want to. They are a non-native, invasionest species.

As far as animal control, in rural West TN, surely you jest. They are so broke here; if you call and report a rabid dog, they tell you to shoot, and bury it, oh by the way, wear rubber gloves! Honest to God, had that happen to me last year.

When cat owners vote for cat leash laws and stop routinely letting their pet predators out to hunt at night, then my respect for the owners will improve. I have no trouble with a truly pet cat that is kept inside and controlled. Cats are a neat animal and are fun to watch, but the bottom line is that they are a very good
predator which can be good and bad. I hunt on ranches all the time and the owners tell me to leave the cats near the barn alone but to shoot the ones way out in the fields. I generally still leave the cats in the field alone. If I am miles from any home then I will consider the cat fair game.

The average cat owner is not aware that their are two proteins in cat saliva that are often the cause of
allergies in humans. If you have a cat and have a persitent nasal drainage or seem to always have cold like
symptoms, then it is possible that you are allergic to your beloved cat. I didn't know I was allergic to cats
until I went in the Navy and went out to sea. My nasal and cold like symptoms disappeared completely. I got
tested when I got back into port and found out that the only thing that I was allergic to was cats and latex.
I liked my pet cats but I gave them away. I then stripped my house, had it cleaned, recarpeted, repainted, and
bought all new softgoods - furniture, bedding, towels, clothes, etc. That was 30 years ago. I can get within
10 feet of a person and tell if they have been near a cat. This is great when I go cougar hunting because I can smell/detect their presense easily. I shoot cougars with a camera. I won't kill a cougar, but I have no
problem wasting a feral cat.

Enjoy your cat, but don't be surprised if not everyone loves them.

Well, in this post I didn't want to rub anyone the wrong way. My only point is, when I go to the small game forum I want to read about squirrels, 'long beards', rabbits, and any other small game like duck, quail, pheasant, etc ...

I am a firm believer in the old saying 'to each his own'. In other words, do what you want but don't try and convince me to if I don't like it. Whatever works for you might not for me. I won't talk about your problems when I have my own. The only thing that truly bothers me is when I come to a semi-public forum and have to sift through all of the anti-cat stuff before I get to a good topic about true North American small game.

Like I said guys, I'm not going to tell you how to live your life, but please don't shove your way of life in my face everytime I come here. This is only my opinion, but the place for anti-cat stuff should be in the forum topic 'Cats'. You do what you want, but I am just addding my opinion to the mix. I don't hold the fact that you hate cats against you and in life I'm sure you all are great fellas to be around. But again, I honestly don't want it up in my face everytime I come to the small game topic. Think of it this way. If a buddy of yours decided to smoke a joint everytime you went shooting, and you didn't want to do the same. Would you ask him to please stop it around you, or would you quit going with him altogether. Now you can see my point. Thanks for the input to help me see where you all are coming from. They are all valid reasons to hate cats, but again I don't hold the same beliefs. Thanks

Kentuckymountainman, we don't hut cats nearly as much as we hunt idiots who love cats who don't have a sense of humor. While you're at it, cat's ARE a non-native species, and the number one killer of game in the world.

They wipe out rabbit and bird populations, and spread disease. Plus, I think they are a little too big for their britches, and can use the occasional "taking down a notch", generally with a high velocity projectile.

Speaking of ramming someone's way of life down someone elses' throat, who the hell do you think you are, coming to OUR forum (btw, we were here first, if that didn't occur to you) and trying to dictate how we run it. You are a hypocrite, sir.

Kaintuck, if you love cats go talk about it on the Cat Forum. That's what it's for. We consider crats to be small game. Period. If you just want to preach, then let your voice ring in the hills of Kaintucky. If you want to talk small game, then post your question and we'll bat it around. We do not give a crat's ass about your ethics, insofar as crats are concerned. This morphing of the forum occurred because of a fella named Ghengis a few years back, and after several death threats from him to us, and his apparent cyberspace suicide it kinda stuck. Don't follow in his footsteps.

Semi-serious small game discussion can be had at: http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php

Or: http://bushnelloutdoors.ibforums.com/index.php?

Or, probably another 1000 or so web sites devoted to killing wild animals both foreign and domestic in origin are out there. Try a Google on small game, and see what pops up. Beware, you might find "cats", or even porn. Good luck.

Dan

Pres., TYHC

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Voted for kerry too. betcha!

Turn down the flames a bit. He has a point in that it is logical to find small game hunting posts here and to find cat huntings posts under the cats forum. What is illogical is that a bunch of cat LOVERS chose to post under a cat forum on a hunting and shooting website. What else would a cat forum be for. This is not a PETA web site after all. And don't use the logic that there is a dog lover's forum on this web site. Dogs generally are used to hunt.

Dan, we have a cat season where I live. Generally it's McCormicks poltry spice, at least on the fat ones.. Lots better than possum.

Say, did I ever tell ya about the time I shot a pussy off the roof with my .375 ??

Well KMM,,,To say anymore about your writing would be kicking a dead horse,,,,You reminded me of a stupid campfire song I was forced to sing many times,,,,It only takes aaaa,,,sparrrrrrk,,,,toooooooo,get a fire started,,,,Then evvvvery one around,,,,can warm up in it's glowing!!!!!!!!!!!! I truly hate crats,,,And I don't ask anyone to follow in my footsteps,,It's my perogative,,,and no reason to explain,,I hate them,,,KILL'EM ALL!!!!!!!And If you liked birds half as much as you say,,,,,well "DOH".I'm not a "professional"bird watcher,,But I do enjoy watching them,,,And laugh at the barn swallows"attacking" me when I go through the barn,I watched a nesting pair of swallows divert a 6'long black racer away from thier nest,,took a 1/2 hour,,and them and the purple martins chasing the mowers,They allmost make me jealous.As far as small game,,Saw a hen turkey waltzing around,,left it alone,,,slapped a mag into my flat top ar and busted a couple chucks,,Lit a fire under a couple others to let them know they were "on the list"Picked up a new farm,,rather stupid and unwary chucks on it,,,plan on wasting 1/2 to 3/4 of the population,,,the ones left will be very "sporting",,darn near nocturnal,,,So tell us a tale of your endeavors kmm,,,,Clay

I DONT HATE CATS !

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Say, did I ever tell ya about the time I shot a pussy off the roof with my .375 ??

Pat, uh...No, you didn't. I'm all ears...er, monitor...

Dan

Pres., TYHC

www.StepRightUpMyFriends.ToTheShowThatNeverEnds

Kentuckymountainman,

Good post. The posters here who talk about shooting pet cats make a bad impression for the rest of us ethical hunters.

Some things are best left unsaid and the immature prattle we have to read here from DD and others about shooting domestic cats is not good for the hunting sports.

Of course it's obvious that they post about the killing of cats to irk others who read it. Since cats can't read the drivel they write is not bothering the cats at all! Who it's bothering are sportsmen.

Now we have enough problems as it is with anti gun legislation and anti hunting bias so it's the responsiblity of those who enjoy the shooting sports to speak up once in awhile and remind those who are doing this not do do it.

talking about blasting crats IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT damn am I glad I ain't polliticaly korrect

I feel bad now.

As if.

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shooting domestic cats

Very VERY few of the posters here post about shooting domestic cats...what part of FERAL do you not understand?

The general rule is that they cease to be domesticated when they are let loose (dumped) in the woods or flat abandoned anywheres! Have you ever read up on the damage they are doing in Australia...??? Besides, how much damage to MY property (you do understand property rights, don't you?) should I accept from someone else's animal?

Luckily my local problem is 'yotes...so a cat out after dark will not live a week.

Damn PT, I didn't know you were so sensitive..

I must say that your approach is more civilized than what I was thinking..

So Savage, now that we've personalized this, mano y mano so to speak, go ye forth and perform an unnatural act with yourself.

I've read some of your drivel elsewhere, not the least bit impressed. Do your bullet tips still melt? Or was it the cores?

Every year in Wisconsin alone, an estimated 2 million wild cats kill 47 million to 139 million songbirds, according to state officials. Despite the astounding numbers, Smith’s plan has been met with fierce opposition from cat lovers.

I know this much. Old Elk Hunter, S. H. Sherlock, Digital Dan, derf, poletax, and the others who frequent the forum, provide the only mirth in what is my sorry life. I deal with corporations on a daily basis, trying to build things for them, usually some group of slick lawyers trying to screw my firm out of some more money. I can use the grins.

Anybody who does not understand that this is a group of guys who mostly makes fun of the cat situation is pretty dense. Had OEH been in on the demise of as many cats as he tells stories about, there would not be a kitty left east of the Mississippi. It is like Mark Twain said once, there are lies, and damned lies, not nearly enough of the former, and way too many of the latter.

Add Dragon Lady, and Birman in, and the thing is just a bunch of fun.

Kentucky Mountain Man asked a question, and he was answered. Did not see any vulgarity in the replies, but last time I checked, it was a free country, and if I dislike cats, that is Oh Tay! If he wants, he can forward an address and phone number, and I will hav-a-heart all those that show up on my place, and he can come pick them up, take them to the vet, get their shots, spay and neuter them, provide something for them to eat, and keep them off my property. Possums and skunks as well, along with the occasional copperhead and cottonmouth. They are all God's creatures, and I am sure that there are those out there that would care and succor them all. Rats make good pets too, wonder if they deserve our protection? They have binocular vision and canine teeth just like a cat, give live birth and nurse their young, but then opps, so do we, guess that makes us all predators. If there is any doubt that if cats weighed oh say, 150lbs. that they would eat us every chance they got, then each person harboring such ideas has something loose just north of the brain stem.

One of the reasons that there may not be much discussion related to quail, rabbits and such here, is the fact that the cats are decimating their numbers in the wild. I do not let my dogs run loose, and if the cat owners did the same, there would be no problem!

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Originally posted by DigitalDan:
So Savage, now that we've personalized this, mano y mano so to speak, go ye forth and perform an unnatural act with yourself.

I've read some of your drivel elsewhere, not the least bit impressed. Do your bullet tips still melt? Or was it the cores?

Digital Dan,

Your reference to unnatural acts, the killing of domestic animals and an incorrect reference to a topic on the melting of bullets shows that you need to clean up your behavior.

Digital Dan,

Don't honor Savage 99 with a reply. I think he must be a Yankee. Stuff his carpetbag full of cats and send him back across the MD line.

Oh No! Ther're on to us fellas. We got to clean up our act and start lovin all the little kitties. I was dissapointed too when I first came to the small game forum. I was all set to talk about my miniature chess/checkers/backgammon set but noooo. All anybody wants to talk about is chasing pussy. Well, I figured I could maybe go to a different forum and leave these folks to their perversions or I could grab my bat and whack a crat. I would think you anti-crat killin folks could do the same.

I think south dakota and minnesota have had laws about cats that read along the line of no collar,,,freely roaming=FAIR GAME For a good while. Clay

For a good time, take your Dakota to Minnesota and hunt crats with no collar!

Ooops, does Dakota make any "Small Game" chambered guns, or are they all for buff and other Dark Continent stuff?

Dan

Pres., TYHC

www.SoothingTheSavage.Beast

Awom,,I forgot to say,,good for you!!!I do,,I would not like them on a train,,I would not like them on a plane,,I would not like them on a boat,,I would not like them with a goat,,I just really hate the little ingrates Clay

I remember when I was wee little boy we had a couple of cats at home. As will happen, the female became "with kittys" on a semi regular basis. Often it would take a couple of weeks to find the little buggers since their mother would go to all lengths to hide her clutch. However when we would finally discover the hiding place my own dear Mother would gather them up in a cardboard box and tell us boys to come along. We were probably 5 or 6 years old. We would get in the old car and drive down the river. It had a high bank on the west side, being probably 100 feet down to the water. There was always a pretty stiff current flowing. Mother would pull her old Winchester pump out of the back seat and load it up with .22 longs, that was all that old rifle would shoot. But Lordy was she accurate with that old stick. Our job was to grab one kitty at a time and heave it as far into the river as we could. Mostly, by the time the kitty hit the water Mother had plinked it in a most effecient manner.. We took care of our own problem animals and still do today choosing not to call some government agency to do it for us...
Here kitty kitty.......

Clay not telling you what to do but you may enjoy crat whacking more if you let go of your hate remember if there were no crats you could not shoot, stab or stomp em into the ground. Savage your an "ethical" hunter PETA dont think so and neither do any other bambi lovers instead of trying to justify yourself to there way of thinking why not expose the sappy drivel for what it is.

Like the way you think! What does AOWM stand for?

Dan

Pres., TYHC

www.ConfusedIn.Yankeetown

Angry old white man

Alot of the problem is with the crat owners. Have a litter of cats and go dump them in the country. It dont take a retard to figure out they need to eat. So do the pheasants, rabbits and other game in your area a favor and blast every cat you see out wondering around. If the owner really cared about it you probably wouldent see it.

Big-un

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Originally posted by DigitalDan:

does Dakota make any "Small Game" chambered guns, or are they all for buff and other Dark Continent stuff?

Dan

Dan,

At the DSC, Dakota had a mini Sharps, about 2/3 scale, in 32-20 . It was really nice with a price to match

Hog Killer

Don't know why i was so slow to find this thread, but I just kinda fell into the small game forum looking for some of that "serious" small game stuff...and have been stopping by to see what DD, OEK, and the "crew" has had to post ever since. As a matter of fact, i have occasioned to copy and paste these (or make links) to e-mails to my friends and they love the threads.

A save my hatred for tree rats, tho.

Geez! I too have a pet cat, and a more pleasant, cuddly animal is hard to imagine (Note: I didn't say "loving animal". Crats don't do that!) But mine never sees the out doors, except through a window. She has free roam of the house and that's her domain.
Cats are amazingly efficient preditors, and feral ones (any crat allowed to roam) cause a lot of damage, and their existance is unnecesary in the scheme of things.
BTW, Damn it, OEH -- I'm a Yankee! Don't brand us all with the same iron!

On the tv show "Peoples Court" when Judge Joe Wopner was the judge,there were a couple of things that were standard. If someones dog breathed out of rhythm in ANY manner,the owner was liable and had to pay. I dont recall ever seeing a case where a cat owner paid. One even entered someones sun room and destroyed furniture etc--well over $1000 in damage---owner not liable. Wopner ALWAYS ruled something along the lines that a cat cannot be tamed. So my thoughts,if it is not tamed and they are not responsible for its actions,how can they own it. How could you kill someones cat? I also heard the figures as to how many offsprings one cat and it's offsprings could produce in a short period of time. They are highly prolific----runs in the hundred thousands in very short time. I trap them and animal control hauls them off. This is in MY privacy fenced back yard.