how much should a guy have to pay for a pound of linotype??

thanks.. jjb

I don't know what a guy should "have" to pay, but I sold a member of these forums somethng over 1,100 pounds of it last year for $0.55 per pound.

You can follow the auctions on Ebay.

Most of exact metals bring about $1 lb.
Exact means the metal is relatively pure or and exact alloy such as 20-1, linotype or pure lead.
The inexact metals such as range scrap and wheel weights bring less.

Trouble is you can buy some nasty metal if you are not careful, and it will never cast well.

Linotype is $4.75 a pound at Midway. That’s pretty bad but tin is almost $25 per pound.

Just for what it's worth in my profession we use 50/50 on a regular basis + the cost has increased by 150% in the last few months.Anybody want to sell me 50/50 solder for $7.00 per lb., I'll take all you you have. Thanks.

I cast .22 cal and I heard you need tin for fillout so many times I bought some tin. I couldn't tell that it did a thing over and above what wheelweights were doing.

One can certainly get carried above + beyond what is "necessary".What Brinell hardness are you trying to achieve? In answer to your question however;I think that a solution of W.W. or Lyman #2 (damned near the same thing) will suffice for 99% of your needs.That is not to denigrate the Linotye which I use excusivelly in the 250 G. Keith .44 mould. Just my own opinion.

been getting it from a print shop for 1.50 a lb.

Years ago before I ever cast my first bullet, I bought a Lyman Manual and read it. When I got to the part about Lyman #2, I thought BS. You are taking mostly wheelweights which are an unknown, adding EXACT amounts of stuff to them and coming up with an exact???? My thinking at the time was the guys making wheelweights were using whatever they had that would melt and making ww's. I have been told since that they are more precision and exact in their making of ww's--don't know?? See no reason they should be. They are not trying to come up with a ww that weighs in at grains--like a bullet--but weighs in at ounces. If it's off a little who would know? I have never seen anyone at a tire shop weigh a ww. Tire not balanced--add more weight--have seen a little taken off a ww to lighten it (not seen too often). So with that being my thinking, try ww and they worked then and still do now. If it aint broke don't fix it. Brinell hardness?? I'm sure you could get a precision ohmeter and measure some resistance of a ww. You could make a big deal over their resistance. I don't have a clue what their resistance is and don't feel any more unenlightened than what I am not knowing the Brinell hardness. They shoot, they don't lead not broke don't need fixing. I'm not shooting matches. I don't hunt with cast bullets. Why? I tried it once and had bad experience and not going to experiment on game animals again. .243 didn't do the job. Told I need atleast .40 cal. Why would I want to shoot a rainbow trajectory when I can shoot a much flatter shooting jacketed bullet? Read reports about people shooting moose but taking several shots. My experience one 30-06 round in right place--get your knife out you have a gutting and skinning job to do. None of this a put down to cast bullets. Coleman lanterns are a fine product, but I'm not going to replace the electric lights n my house with them.

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Why? I tried it once and had bad experience and not going to experiment on game animals again. .243 didn't do the job. Told I need atleast .40 cal. Why would I want to shoot a rainbow trajectory when I can shoot a much flatter shooting jacketed bullet? Read reports about people shooting moose but taking several shots.

Above quote by Carpetman


I have taken an 1100 pound bison with one cast bullet of 250 grains in 32 cal, one shot DRT, taken deer with cast 30 cal bullets weighing from 170-185 and 200 grain, one shot each. Deer with 45 cal rifle, one shot, one kill. I watched my wife take a mule deer doe with 22 caliber, 55 grain cast bullet, first shot through the lungs deer went 30 yards lay down and she head shot it second round. I believe it is all a matter of a hunters ability and knowing the trajectory, range limitations. Granted you would have been better served using the 30-06 with a cast bullet than the 243, but with a load that actually hit where you were aimimg I have NO doubt a lung shot deer is still going to be dead. Cast bullet hunting isn't for everyone, just those with the knowledge and skill level to be succesful, like your forefathers, mine anyway.

Swheeler---you have it looking like you are quoting me about nothing I ever said.
In the case of the .243 shot deer with a cast bullet, the bullet was accurate--the shots two of them were close enough range that I see no way intended spot not hit. Would have been a lung shot btw. Deer ran off and that ended my hunting with cast bullets. You can read by candlelight and folks did in the past--but it makes no sense nowadays.

The quote is copy-pasted right out of your post just above my answer. I remember you telling me you were shooting that 95 gr RCBS cast at a chroned 2950fps, there's your problem. You accuracy tested the load at 50 or less yards, and not very thorough testing at that, then took a poke at one of those little texas whitetail at about a 100 yds and NEVER TOUCHED HAIR! Then you blame cast bullets because of your BAD reloads, this figures coming from a guy who brags about shooting deer with 22 centerfire, wonder how many are rotting in the sage brush as we speak? Lots I'll bet. Cast bullets are not for everyone, and especially not for someone who refuses to do any testing, just goes on about hi velocity. Like I say, I've never lost a single head of big game to a cast bullet, and only have seen one that took more than one shot, that was my wife with a 22 caliber cast bullet, and that deer was probably twice the size of the one you COULD NOT hit with your hi velocity cast super-dooper loads! Wonder where the bullets actually hit, hope there isn't a missing Texas hunter!!! So to finish, let me get this clear, YOU HAVE NEVER TAKEN A SINGLE BIG GAME ANIMAL WITH A CAST BULLET, BUT YOU ARE GIVING ADVICE ON SUCH! Hum, SmokinCarpet, StarCarpet, MaxCarpet, CarpetMuncher OOPs that wasn't nice.

I would like to add that I don't recommend shooting deer with that 55 grain cast boolit at about 1900 fps. It was a test and only a test it passed, but with a D-. The reason it worked and your 243 didn't was I wasnt spinning it at 210,000 plus rpms, spraying and praying CarpetMan style!

My main hunting bullet for my 7x57 is a 160gn cast with 100gn lino base and 60gn 50/50 ww/Pb nose at 2415fps and have had great sucess out to 185yds so far and consider it a 250yd deer or goat round. The pic shows the expansion between the hard shank and the soft nose, with 100% weight retention, so I have a very effective bullet that kills exceptionally well, and while I have used my 40 cal (404 Jeffery) with cast on "meat" it kills no better and dosent have the range of my aperture sighted 7x57.


Von Gruff.

VonGruff; excellent choice, effective bullets! Like I said 1100 pound bison, 32 caliber cast one shot= buffy steaks.

Contrary to a post by poster now on ignore, he did have some of the facts correct. It was indeed the 95 grain RCBS bullet. It was sighted in at 25 yards, which is where I do almost all my sighting in--but I then test and adjust at 100 yards. The bullet was accurate, small group at 100. Both me and my grandson had a broadside shot well under 100 yards. Grandson is very experienced and has killed several deer--he can shoot. I have high doubts either one missed--actually I wish that were the case but I know it's not. Not putting down cast bullets---they are just not for me and I'm not going to move up to a larger cal just to hunt with them when my smaller cals and jacketed work fine.

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
Contrary to a post by poster now on ignore, he did have some of the facts correct. It was indeed the 95 grain RCBS bullet. It was sighted in at 25 yards, which is where I do almost all my sighting in--but I then test and adjust at 100 yards. The bullet was accurate, small group at 100. Both me and my grandson had a broadside shot well under 100 yards. Grandson is very experienced and has killed several deer--he can shoot. I have high doubts either one missed--actually I wish that were the case but I know it's not. Not putting down cast bullets---they are just not for me and I'm not going to move up to a larger cal just to hunt with them when my smaller cals and jacketed work fine.

Story sounds similar, BUT first I ever heard of it being tested at 100 yards. I still say a clean miss, never touched hair, just AIR!

Deer can and do run a long ways when "lung shot" with a lot of cartridges more powerful than the .243. I've seen them run quite a distance when lung shot with J bullets from .243s and othe .223 and 6mms along with 30-30, .308Ws, '06s and even magnums. My experience one 30-06 round in right place is the right idea and a lung shot, if you don't want the deer to run far, is not the right place.

I'm not sure of the alloy or velocity of Carperman1's .243 cast bullet load (I'm probably the one on ignore BTW) but since he claims to be a good shot and says the grandson is also (I don't doubt either) then 2 "failures" as such is a bit of a coincidence even for the .243 with cast bullets. I would look at the bullets not hitting the deer, at least in a vital spot, as being the reason for the "failure" instead of casting doubt (is there a pun there?) on the failure of the .243 to kill deer effectively with a cast bullet.

Personally I use .30 cal or larger on deer as a matter of habit. Might give the 7x57 a go as a couple friends have had good results with my cast bullets on blacktails here in the PNW. Like swheeler, I don't recommend .224 or even .244 size cast bullets on deer or other big game at best accuracy velocities of 1800 - 1900 fps. I would shoot a deer with such if I absolutely had to but would certainly pick a different shot than "behind the shoulders" for a "lung shot".

Just my opinion on such is all, don't have any qualm with carpetmann1 not using cast in his .243 any longer for deer hunting.

Larry Gibson

Larry the bullets were wheelweights with some tin added. Velocity? That's another puzzler. I did in fact shoot them over a guy's chronie and I don't know whether to believe the reults or not. I shot some other loads over it and they were as expected. The owner said all his readings from his guns were as expected. But my .243 loads read around 2900 and according to Lyman Manual should have only been more like 2400-2500--so I don't know what to believe. They were accurate enough and the shots were easy enough that I don't believe shot placement was the problem?? Didn't recover deer so don't know. Just don't want to try it again on deer. Using jacketed bullets in .222, .223, and .243 drops them, so I don't want any more experiences like this one.

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Originally posted by Larry Gibson:
Deer can and do run a long ways when "lung shot" with a lot of cartridges more powerful than the .243. I've seen them run quite a distance when lung shot with J bullets from .243s and othe .223 and 6mms along with 30-30, .308Ws, '06s and even magnums. My experience one 30-06 round in right place is the right idea and a lung shot, if you don't want the deer to run far, is not the right place.

I'm not sure of the alloy or velocity of Carperman1's .243 cast bullet load (I'm probably the one on ignore BTW) but since he claims to be a good shot and says the grandson is also (I don't doubt either) then 2 "failures" as such is a bit of a coincidence even for the .243 with cast bullets. I would look at the bullets not hitting the deer, at least in a vital spot, as being the reason for the "failure" instead of casting doubt (is there a pun there?) on the failure of the .243 to kill deer effectively with a cast bullet.

Personally I use .30 cal or larger on deer as a matter of habit. Might give the 7x57 a go as a couple friends have had good results with my cast bullets on blacktails here in the PNW. Like swheeler, I don't recommend .224 or even .244 size cast bullets on deer or other big game at best accuracy velocities of 1800 - 1900 fps. I would shoot a deer with such if I absolutely had to but would certainly pick a different shot than "behind the shoulders" for a "lung shot".

Just my opinion on such is all, don't have any qualm with carpetmann1 not using cast in his .243 any longer for deer hunting.

Larry Gibson

2 "failures" as such is a bit of a coincidence even for the .243 with cast bullets. I would look at the bullets not hitting the deer, at least in a vital spot, as being the reason for the "failure" instead of casting doubt (is there a pun there?) on the failure of the .243 to kill deer effectively with a cast bullet.

Exactly my thoughts Larry. Now Ray put me on ignore because of my diagnosis of the failure was not what he wanted to hear. Oh well, I gave my honest opinion, life goes on without SmokinCarpet or CarpetMetal

carperman1

I understand your reluctance to "experiment" on deer after such. Not recovering the deer does leave the issue in doubt. For me, I would have to "know". Thus I would be shooting those same loads over a reliable chronograph and targeting on paper at the distance of the deer. I would also try to do so in similar weather conditions, particularly the temperature.

Even after "knowing" I might not still hunt deer with them if the accuracy proved adequate. Some say that even the larger 6.5 bullets cast hard with a meplat are "adequate" for deer but I guess my "adequate" is different. So far, with cast bullets, I prefer a minimum of .30 cal, cast them soft and minimally HP them so expansion is good to 200 yards.

Von Gruff certainly does well with his 7x57 on deer and similar game. As I mentioned a couple friends the last several years have done really well with some RCBS original 28-168-FNs I cast of 50/50 WW/pb and HP'ed for them on black tail deer.

I've a nice M70 .243 the wife use with 100 gr Hornady's on deer and antelope with very good results. I've also shot enough deer with the .223 so I'm not disagreeing on the choice of the .243 with j bullets. It is a little light, in my opinion, for deer with cast bullets though. My mind could be changed but that's where it's at right now.

Larry Gibson

Nothing about the original post said a thing about hunting. If you screwed up hunting it was because of your own judgement and does not address the original question.

SR4759---The original question was answered in the first several posts to include your response. What does your last post have to do with it?

I have a set of moulds built by Veral Smith for my .284 for my 7x57 AI,160 G.(w/an addtional nose cone mould to use as a soft point addendum.By the by;I have found that W.W. (#2 et al) or linotype W/ the use of the secondary tip mould will perform within reason of jacketed rounds. P.S. I liked the system so well that I bought moulds with the added nose cone extra in .375 + .264.+.474.

Tasco, if I can't scrounge, barter, or borrow, I get my pure alloys from Roto metals. Great people to deal with if you have to buy. Anything over $100. Ships free. http://www.rotometals.com/product-p/linotypealloy.htm

A miss at 2950 is still a miss. A marginal or non-debilitating hit at 2950 carries no magic. If the bullet hit the deer more ten feet away from the muzzle, it wasn't doing 2950fps either. It sounds more like a stunt or ego trip that failed. How big were these rocket ship velocity groups?

My first bison was shot at 217 stepped-off paces with a 500gr round nose bullet at about 1470fps from my Shiloh Sharps 45-70. He didn't make it more than thirty feet before he died.

My second one was shot at a guesstimated 180 yards, two feet of fresh snow made pacing it off difficult. 450gr RFN at about 1800fps from my Winchester 1986 50-110. Sat down on his haunches, licked blood flowing from both nostrils for a minute or so, then fell over dead.

My third one was shot with a 200gr RCBS flatnose loaded about 2200fps out of an XP-100 in 35 Remington from about 90 yards away. He walked about twenty yards to the nearest mud wallow and flopped over dead.

All the bullets were 94/3/3 alloy as close as I could duplicate it.

I've shot deer and Elk out to 100 yards with a tradutional .54 caliber muzzleloader using 2F and a patched roundball.

regards,

Rich

Idaho Sharpshooter---Gosh I have been wanting to talk to a rocket scientist about this and I see I have found one. I knew bullets keep speeding up after you shoot, but wasn't sure of the exact rate. I had them going 2900fps but you told me they wouldn't be doing 2950 by 10 feet. You ask how big were these rocket ship velocity groups? Gosh I don't know how far down range before they reach rocket ship velocity---I'm sure a person that knows all such as yourself could tell me. Stunt or ego trip? What would be a stunt about using a cast bullet from a center fire rifle? At the time I didn't think it had ever been done, but I learned someone had done it before. A miss? I think you are correct, I figure with all the accelleration I over shot and I do think I see a dent in Mars that I had not seen before.

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
Idaho Sharpshooter---Gosh I have been wanting to talk to a rocket scientist about this and I see I have found one. I knew bullets keep speeding up after you shoot, but wasn't sure of the exact rate. I had them going 2900fps but you told me they wouldn't be doing 2950 by 10 feet. You ask how big were these rocket ship velocity groups? Gosh I don't know how far down range before they reach rocket ship velocity---I'm sure a person that knows all such as yourself could tell me. Stunt or ego trip? What would be a stunt about using a cast bullet from a center fire rifle? At the time I didn't think it had ever been done, but I learned someone had done it before. A miss? I think you are correct, I figure with all the accelleration I over shot and I do think I see a dent in Mars that I had not seen before.

TASCO 74,

it takes some people longer than others to realize their initial post truly exposes them as a fool or liar. Or a judiciously compounded mix of the two, along with a dash of stupidity for flavor.

HE is learning a little, he just figured out that he could go back and delete things, like the fantastic claims about his cast 95gr .243 MV of 2950fps in his initial post here.

I think, and this is entirely speculation, based on an analysis of his recent posts here and on another forum*; that had he finished High School he might have learned to spell better and display better grammar, spelling, and syntax in his posts.

*He has one on www.castbullets.com (unless the edit/delete button has been pushed) where he accuses Dillon of "Gouging" him on shipping prices. HE said they would not tell him why their shipping prices were higher than a Dillon vendors. The dictionary defines "Gouging" as "cheating or stealing", so we have a clue to his character, or lack thereof early on.

I called about an hour after reading his post, and Dillon said "simple answer; we ship Fed-Ex, and THEY set the price. We do NOT make a dime on the shipping."

I make allowances, as many do here, for Ignorance. Ignorance just means you do not know much, if anything, about a particular area. Nothing wrong with that. Even people with Google don't know everything. They do, however, know how to find out.

That said, you cannot, despite your best efforts, fix stupid.

I am still debating whether or not to tell him "accelleration" only has one "l". Naaaahhh, let him use the edit button again.

regards, to all...

Idaho Sharpshooter---You are a most pathetic liar. To begin with the velocity was 2900 fps all along and in your ignorance you jumped it up to 2950. I suspect you believe it does accelerate. I have never ordered a thing from Dillon and probably not posted on cast boolits in 2 years. BTW tell us about those 28 elk you have killed that scored 350 plus.

Got a Pm from Idaho Sharpshooter telling me about his pHd and how he has supported himself with fine living from his writing. The blowhard is full of himself. I told Dr Liar where he can stick his phd and dont bother me--I hate liars as they are nothing but a waste of time.
In this situation here I suspect several of you know I posted 2900 fps and never changed that. Lying doc said I changed it. What a liar.

Dr FUBAR (Idaho Sheepshooter) sent me another PM> Wish I could post them here. He is one troubled individual. If you don't know what FUBAR is, ask the sick doctor--I explained it to him and we can test his perception. Reality has no meaning to him.

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A miss at 2950 is still a miss. A marginal or non-debilitating hit at 2950 carries no magic. If the bullet hit the deer more ten feet away from the muzzle, it wasn't doing 2950fps either. It sounds more like a stunt or ego trip that failed. How big were these rocket ship velocity groups?

My first bison was shot at 217 stepped-off paces with a 500gr round nose bullet at about 1470fps from my Shiloh Sharps 45-70. He didn't make it more than thirty feet before he died.

My second one was shot at a guesstimated 180 yards, two feet of fresh snow made pacing it off difficult. 450gr RFN at about 1800fps from my Winchester 1986 50-110. Sat down on his haunches, licked blood flowing from both nostrils for a minute or so, then fell over dead.

My third one was shot with a 200gr RCBS flatnose loaded about 2200fps out of an XP-100 in 35 Remington from about 90 yards away. He walked about twenty yards to the nearest mud wallow and flopped over dead.

All the bullets were 94/3/3 alloy as close as I could duplicate it.

I've shot deer and Elk out to 100 yards with a tradutional .54 caliber muzzleloader using 2F and a patched roundball.

regards,

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Posted 12 October 2011 07:49 Hide Post
A miss at 2950 is still a miss. A marginal or non-debilitating hit at 2950 carries no magic. If the bullet hit the deer more ten feet away from the muzzle, it wasn't doing 2950fps either. It sounds more like a stunt or ego trip that failed. How big were these rocket ship velocity groups?

My first bison was shot at 217 stepped-off paces with a 500gr round nose bullet at about 1470fps from my Shiloh Sharps 45-70. He didn't make it more than thirty feet before he died.

My second one was shot at a guesstimated 180 yards, two feet of fresh snow made pacing it off difficult. 450gr RFN at about 1800fps from my Winchester 1986 50-110. Sat down on his haunches, licked blood flowing from both nostrils for a minute or so, then fell over dead.

My third one was shot with a 200gr RCBS flatnose loaded about 2200fps out of an XP-100 in 35 Remington from about 90 yards away. He walked about twenty yards to the nearest mud wallow and flopped over dead.

All the bullets were 94/3/3 alloy as close as I could duplicate it.

I've shot deer and Elk out to 100 yards with a tradutional .54 caliber muzzleloader using 2F and a patched roundball.

regards,

Rich

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Doc Fubar (Idaho Sheepshoo--what is a tradutional muzzleloader?

I keep getting PM's from Dr FUBAR(Idaho Sheepshearer)--I guess a cry for help. Doc first off you are going to have to come out of the closet. As long as you are in denial you can't be helped. We discussed that when you properly take your meds you do at times show small glimmers of normalcy. We also discussed that you need supervision with your meds. I guess if you don't want to admit and seek help locally I can help with some monitoring. I will let you know when you need to take more meds. Some of the signs that will let me know will be your lying, boasting, and in general your pompous attitude. Seems likely everytime you post will be signs of needing more meds.

spell check fails again.

"Tradutional" is not a word. Traditional, on the other hand is in the dictionary.

you are pathetic, and even worse, unimaginative.

rent a life will you...

FT1,

Precision Shooting, The Varmint Hunter, Aquafield Publications, there are three you can check out.

be creative, just once.

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
I keep getting PM's from Dr FUBAR(Idaho Sheepshearer)--I guess a cry for help. Doc first off you are going to have to come out of the closet. As long as you are in denial you can't be helped. We discussed that when you properly take your meds you do at times show small glimmers of normalcy. We also discussed that you need supervision with your meds. I guess if you don't want to admit and seek help locally I can help with some monitoring. I will let you know when you need to take more meds. Some of the signs that will let me know will be your lying, boasting, and in general your pompous attitude. Seems likely everytime you post will be signs of needing more meds.

carpetman1, dial back the personal attacks.

I strolled into this thread hearing there was yet another member calling out Rich...(AKA Idaho Sharpshooter) on his vast collection of B&C elk he has killed over the years....32 was the last count I got from him....WOW!

Mark Young has some work to do if he's going to catch up to Rich.

Rich....get back in the game over in the baseball forum. You asked me a question and I answered. I am waiting a return.

To get this thread back on track, it has been about three years ago now, but a friend and I bought a bit over 8k of lino for $.60/lb from a print shop that the ownwer was closing down. You talk about work!

Doublass,do you want to sell any? + if so,where are you in relation to Austin?