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Originally posted by Pat I.:
waksupi,

I never meant to give the impression that I was answering Mr. Pursell in any official capacity. I stated the job I do with the CBA simply to show his efforts were noted and appreciated by someone in the "hierarchy" (odd way to describe someone who spends untold hours doing volunteer work).

Just so there's no misconceptions though, the CBA and the CB-L are two totally different entities with no control over the other. If I were to tell Mr. Hamilton how to act or how to run his web site it'd be two places on the internet where I'd be opening myself up to the proverbial "Ass Whipping". Personally I don't find he does such a bad job the times I've looked. Maybe he's only half Nazi and I haven't witnessed that part yet.

I look at a lot of different forums when time allots, my current favorite being the Makarov forum on Gunboards, and just happened by when I saw the original post. If I'd been a few days early or late I'd have missed it.

It's only natural that the CBA isn't for everyone and taking shots is part of any organizations job. I just happen to like it and the Fouling Shot and thought Mr. Pursell had done it a service.

Pat

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Originally posted by Pat I.:
Pat are you a CBA offical? If so please explain the rate increase and subsequent lowering to get the old guard back. Oringinally they said they need that increase to make the CBA run???
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Aladin,

I've been poked in the eye wth a stick so many times in my life that I've developed a callous so don't think you'll be able to make a puncture wound. I think I read in one of your earlier posts that you've never been a CBA member so why would you possibly care?

To change gears a bit I was reading through your posts about the HBC bullet and found them quite interesting. The only thing I think you'll find is that it'll be pretty hard to make a B.C. of .500 with a cast bullet. The reason I say this is because I own and have competed with both 1.385 long 250 grain and 1.425 long 260 grain bullet 30 cal. bullets. Never tested the 260 because it never did shoot well but the 250 did. After shooting over two chronos 97 yds apart and running the numbers through a Pejsa Ballistics program the B.C. came out to .396. Almost forgot but the velocity at ten feet was 1750 fps and the twist was one in 10. Since switched to a 170 gr. 6.5 of my own design in an 8 twist. Cut the mould myself using a .22 cal RCBS as blocks , quite an experience!!

Thanks,
Pat Iffland

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Originally posted by waksupi:

I do notice that the hierarchy of the CBA that have posted here have only just signed on. I wonder why there isn't more participation by them on the boards most of us frequent?

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Some of these forums are not easily found and others get lost in a low signal to noise ratio on the internet. Search for "case bullet forums" on google and you get 53,000 hits. You can rest assured that 40,000 of those hits are low quality results dealing with cast or bullet or forums but not all three. That leaves 10,000 possible links. Jouster and handloads show up on the first page along with some forums I've never visited. If I were someone at CBA I might visit up to a dozen forums but there are not enough minutes in the day to visit every shooting forum on the net where cast bullets are discussed. I suspect the only reason that someone from CBA posted here is because a forum member emailed them about the thread.

A good example is how I found this site. Someone on another forum posted a link to those mpgs of that poor .577 being dropped. (I would like to know what the guys in "kick.mpg" are saying. I drilled around in the site and found this forum and a lot of interesting information about reloading, wildcats and cast bullets. I never searched for this site. Finding it was an accident.

It's obvious from the comments here that CBA needs to make some changes in their internet presence. They could do so easily by choosing an existing cast bullet forum and telling their membership to visit join them online at http..., or they could take the uncertain road of launching a new site.

I have found a lot of folks in the shooting community to be uncommonly clueless concerning the internet and forums. Explaining email, the web, web based forums and such to them is like explaining RAM and Hard Drive capacity to my 85 year old mother. They want to create a web site but have no idea how to go about it.

Even after you start developing a web site you can face fault. Over at handloads we've been talking about the blank page at ramshot and their inability to answer email. Some outfits get it right. More often these are commercial sites or sites run by someone with the right mindset to make the site successful. On the commercial side Midway, CTD and lockstock have easy to use online ordering. Natchez and Graf still need some work when I last looked. In the forums I have found this site, handloads, battlerifles, and a couple of other forums to be very helpful and easy to use. The common thread in these sites is good forum software and a civilized deamenor among the membership of the site.

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Originally posted by M Pursell:
Pat Iffland is the Director of Competition for the CBA. That info is published in the Fouling Shot. The reason for the decrease in dues was also published in the Fouling Shot. Any member of the CBA can find it there. If you're not interested in being a member, fine. Don't expect the CBA or any other organization to change based on the demands of non-members.

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