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Just read today in the Fouling Shot that the CBA is reducing dues to $17/1year or $30/2years. Thought I'd post this here in case anybody's interested. Mark [ 11-25-2003, 04:52: Message edited by: M Pursell ] | ||
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no wonder, the shitheads priced themselves off the market when they jacked the dues up a couple years back. I wrote and told them so but that went over like a ...lead balloon..HAR! Looks as if a few members at high rates is worse than many at lower dues rates...duh! The basic law of supply and demand has conquered.....more supply than demand, and the market crashed. So, it's back down to what the market will bear. I'll re-join now. | |||
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M Pursell....Thanks for the post. When they priced themselves out of my membership, I just let it slide on out. I may rejoin as there was some stuff in there that I enjoyed. They got to realize that us "Joe Wheelweights" pay dues too and need a few grains of wisdom in each issue of the Fouling Shot. Again, thanks./beagle | |||
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No CBA for me. So long as the Nazi sits on the CBA bullet forum...they can keep their bimonthly 'brouchure'. That fool sez what their 'club' is about. So... how can the CBA afford to reduce the rate now?? They said the revenue was needed to run the operation... so what gives now?? ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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If you read it close, it's not for a renewal if you are a current member. It's for those of us who dropped out due to rate increases or other reasons. I'm sure that will set well with the full paying members! I do kind of miss the CBA page, but I, also, can well live without Herr Colonel's bullshit. I don't know if I will spend the money or not. I would like to see the book that is being pushed with the renewal. It's supposed to be about a hundred pages. I've got a hell of a lot more than that printed out from the old Shooters site. | |||
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Waksupi, I did read it close. The new rate will be applied to all current members by recalculating the monthly rate and extending your membership. They'll send every member, new and current, a copy of the book. To everyone else, I posted this originally for anyone that might be interested in joining CBA, not because I wanted to read a bunch of flack about what a crappy organization the CBA is. If you want the info fine. If you don't, ignore it. I don't have a dog in this fight. | |||
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quote:Mr Pursell no one's yappin' about your dog. It's a public forum and what amounts to an advertisement for the CBA will receive comment as you've found out. | |||
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I might be interested in joining the CBA, but if it's a crappy organization run by a Nazi, I wanna hear that before I send them a check. Anyone feel like telling me more? | |||
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aladin, I'm guessing that means you're not interested in rejoining? Gee, I was sure hoping for a bigger commision. | |||
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I had some old issues of "the fouling shot" someone sent me. I didn't care for the match stats., but there were some really good information in them if I remember right. Heck, I've wasted more than $17.00 on stupid things like Honeymoons <G> how do I go about joining? krag35 | |||
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Aladin: A: No CBA for me. So long as the Nazi sits on the CBA bullet forum.. F: Who is this Nazi? I've been active in CBA for some time and have not heard of anyone being a member of the national socialist party. Good morning, Forrest | |||
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Shit, I forgot about der Koronel! That's enough to make me forget the whole matter. For the unitiated, Charles Hamilton runs the CB-list and is referred to as the Nazi because the asshole rants over everything that is mentioned if it doesn't suit his fancy....that is exactly where so many of our folks got the phobia of not spelling JACKETED bullets...the Colonel raised hell if you even mentioned the word on 'his' list and he always makes sure everybody knows he OWNS the list. Screw him. he's like a child who owns all the toys....you play his game, how he says, when he says, you use words he approves of and only mention subjects he approves of, ad nauseum. Screwball is supposed to have cancer.So far as I am concerned, he IS a cancer, a blight on the cast bullet community. He got smart with me and I told him I'd whip his ass and he blackballed me. HAR HAR HAR! Makes no difference, I'll still whip his ass if I ever meet him. Now, brother Pursell, if this doesn't sit well with you, move on. We're quite happy here minus the Colonel and his deciples, in fact, that has what has made this group such a success...we're all freemen and in need of no Fuerher (leader) to tell us what to say, think, mention, or music to goose step too. Sieg Heil. | |||
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I don't seem to recall the nazi you talk about as being in the Cast Bullet Association and its magazine "The Fouling Shot". The internet list guy you refer to as the nazi is not a contributor to the magazine. Some gleanings from that sight do appear in the magazine, but are technical in nature. The Fouling Shot is a good read. Try it and don't relate it to the nazi since he doesn't run the Cast Bullet Association, just the internet CBA-list. | |||
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Sorry, not the CBA-list, meant the CB-list. I've been there twice, nasty place. | |||
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Well, I suppose it takes all kinds to make the world the go round! I am glad to see the CBA reduce its membership fee's, I will once again look forward to reading the Cast Bullet. We hear a lot about the old shooter's archive and I would have to agree it is full of good useful info, it might take you a couple days to find it but it's usually there! The cb- e list also maintains an archive that IMO is every bit as good as the old shooters and for me is faster to find what I am looking for.The reason I believe is because the owner demands that you stay on topic. Some people call him a Nazi for this but I believe he just knows the real value of an easily searched archive. As far as I know the CBA endorses this list but does not own it. The Cast Bullet Assoc. has a web site. Good luck---- Slowpoke "You are a long time dead, Now is the time to start living" Harry M. Pope | |||
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Somebody clue me in on where I can find/get info on Cast Bullet Assocation. Thanks Swede44mag | |||
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I guess knew that even mentioning CBA would cause a ruckus but not this much. I've been in the CBA for years and have never had a run in with the guy on the Yahoo site because I don't go there. It is funny though that the folks complaining about "the Nazi" for running them off are telling me to take a hike. If anyone doesn't want to join the CBA, don't. If you do, www.castbulletassoc.org Lighten up everyone. This is all just a hobby. You know, for fun. | |||
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M Pursell, I have no dog in this fight, but I have seen no one tell you to take a hike. There are people here with issues with the CBA and they havce quite properly expressed them, but not a soul has shown any hostility towards you. | |||
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Leftoverdj, you are correct. I was told to "move on". I take it to mean the same thing as take a hike. I'm not going to do either. | |||
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quote:Never paid them a dime. I do think it's comic the CBA boys now over here whining about joining up. Why? For a bimonthly brouchure with same ol same ol?? CBA states the Nazi list is the OFFICAL forum of their organization. And it's a poor sham at best. FUNNY HOW THEY SAID THEY NEEDED THE ADDED REVENUE BEFORE. SO WHAT CHANGED? I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION [ 11-26-2003, 05:17: Message edited by: aladin ] | |||
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MR PURSELL....I think you took the statement to personal and missed the intent. "...Now, brother Pursell, if this doesn't sit well with you, move on...." my take is not for you to move on, but for you to move on to a next topic.... "move on" typically implies getting on with ones life , not getting up and leaving( unless of course you are a cop .......) no cops here....just freemen | |||
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I have found the Fouling Shot magazine interesting and generally very informative. While many of the articles are too technical for me or not of interest, some of them have been extremely helpful. I have been casting bullets for about 5 years and still consider myself a novice. Every issue of the Fouling Shot has provided me with one or more gems of knowlege. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in learning more about cast bullets. With a reduced subscription price and a free book, it's a bargain. Turbo | |||
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Gotta agree with Turbo, as I've been a member of the CBA for around 15 years. For a long while it was the only non-condom forum I could find while stationed overseas. It still has many good articles, snippets and thought provoking subjects. It also has a great index of all the past issues available where one can research many topics. It is also a bit more portable than my PC (take them on hunting trips for evening reading). Personality issues with someone on a different board? OK, different strokes ... Same ol', same ol'? Not with the Fouling Shot! maybe with the "fusilade". A little CBA humor there. Sojerguy | |||
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Mr. Pursell, Don't know if I'm considered one of the "Shitheads" or not but with the threat of a good tongue lashing or ,in the worse case scenario, an "Ass Whipping" looming over my head I will admit that I am on the CBA Board of Directors, Director of Registered Competition to be exact. I'm writing to thank you for passing on the dues reduction information and to the other folks who spoke up and set the record straight on what the CBA is and isn't and what it has to offer. As for the CB-L. I don't know the moderator and have absolutely no affiliation with him so feel no need to protect or endorse either the man or the list he runs. That being said I have heard he's suffering from cancer. Certainly decorum and decency dictate that serious life threatening illnesses aren't used as lead ins to insults. Thanks, Pat iffland | |||
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Pat, Nice of you to jump in. I will say from a stand point of someone who has lost friends and family from cancer and other afflictions or violent means, I don't buy the colonels crap. When he gets a case of the whines, he falls back on the "poor Me" thing. Bullshit. We all die. No one gets out of this life alive. If you're healthy, it just means you're dying slower. The CBA would be better served by a message center that allows free posting, no matter how far afield it goes. Somehow, it always seems a subject will either die from lack of imput, or someone will pull up some dusty gem from years gone by relating to bullet casting. And regardless of how far afield it may go, it generally proves entertaining for some portion of the participants. This is important for good flow of ideas. Why doesn't the CBA have a message board like this? I run two boards, that are basically unmoderated, aside from gathering pictures into folders occasionally. If Herr Colonel is so sick, he probably shouldn't be using his strength moderating a group. I know on the home page picture he looks a hell of a lot more healthy than Ken Howell does, and Ken has wasted away to almost nothing the past couple years with his illness. Want the CBA to grow? Get a viable CBA chat type page going on the net, minus the Colonel overseeing things. I told him what I thought of his bullshit a couple years ago. As long as he is seen as representative of the group, forget it. He's no one's sweetheart. Ric Carter | |||
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It appears to me there are two different subjects being discussed and maybe wrongfully merged here. I have been a member of CBA for about 3-4 years. When the dues went up, I said "arrrgh" and paid it. Everything else is going up and the Fouling Shot is (to me) well worth the price. Also in this thread there seems to be some discussion of a cast bullet board not associated with CBA, and moderated by a mysterious "Nazi." Would somebody please let me know if there are two separate issues going on here? Or, if I have got it wrong please straighten me out? Also, I would like to know the URL of the "Nazi's" site so I can observe his rants at first hand. Confused minds want to know, curmudgeon | |||
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I do not participate in CB List because of the requirement to be a member for reading articles.It seems sectarian, an exclusivist forum. I have never been member of the CBA but I asked to Stanley Livingston, CBA Director of Services, in which Fouling Shot Magazine I could find the answer for a technical question. He promptly answered he would sent it out to several other members. He gave me the best answer in a short time. Thanks to Stan and the CBA from my side. BA Shooter | |||
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quote:Pat I have to back up what Ric Carter said-- and go another step. Remember this CB-L list IS billed as the forum of the CAST BULLET ASSOCIATION | |||
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quote:Pat I have to back up what Ric Carter said-- and go another step. Remember this CB-L list IS billed as the forum of the CAST BULLET ASSOCIATION. If that is the kind of representation you want to put forth-- so be it. As to the ascertion Herr Butthead has a disease and that's the 'reason' for his personality disorder.... do think again. I spoke at length with one of his 'friends' and was told he's always been of this mindset. Try again-- or know the facts... If anyone think's I'm running the CBA down for recreational purposes... do think again. There's alot of problems over there and the only way to repair them is to bring them out into the light of day. YET YOU'LL ALL NOTICE I STILL DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION???? THEY SAID THE DUES INCREASE WAS NEEDED TO RUN THE CBA..... SO WHY NOW CAN THEY REVERSE AND LOWER THE DUES??? | |||
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Rick...I agree with you on the CB-L. being retired Army, some of these "Colonels" seem to have brought that rank out of the service with them. Needed to leave it there....don't mean nothing out here in the civilian community. I've been a lurking member of the CB-L ever since I got on line. I've seen some real rants on there by him. I sympathize with him if he has cancer but as Cory Ford once said about an ugly female relative, "She could stay home, dammit". If he has the disposition of a bear with a sore penis, he don't need to be moderating. Jumptrap's taken him on several times in much needed come uppance and got tossed off the list as a result. Now, on here, nobody's telling anybody to leave as we're just talking here. When I started posting on forums, I was told I needed a thick skin and I've tried to maintain that thought and not get my feelings hurt. The CBA in my experience as a member for several years is a good organization. It has many good people like us and including some of us that are dedicated to casting, loading and shooting cast bullets. Unfortunately, there are a few people in the CBA that due to the discipline they participate in of benchrest cast shooting need to move on to the benchrest publications as they tend to look down on some of us who play with old levers and milsurps and stinking peeestols.... I'm afraid this has developed a crack in the ranks which will never be repaired. The CBA has served to "spread the word" over many years and I'm sure will for more years to come via mailed printed media. For my $.02 worth, forums like Shooters and Accurate and Cast Boolits will tend to be the leading edge of technology for cast shooters for years to come as opposed to the printed media which is too slow. I come here to learn, have a little fellowship with my fellow cast shooters and sometimes poke a little fun. I hope that my posts don't offend anyone to the point of their leaving but sometimes, things need to be said./beagle | |||
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it may look like two different issues, but in this day of electronic communication,its one. cba needs to stand up and be responsible for what THIER site does. i to, would join cba, but see no need to support the abusive behavior of THIER site. its nice to see some of thier staff show up here and post supporting posts to pursall, but what THEY need to do is to read whats being said here, realize the negative affect on cba, and take action. its plain bs to ignore the site's behavior, and still try to push membership via this site......go fix your own site. who knows maybe we would have been there when shooters went down. | |||
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I probably shouldn't stick my nose in here since I've never joined the CBA or even bothered to visit "Herr Kolonel's" forum. I learned all I wanted to learn about that forum from the fine folks at Shooters, and there were sure enough true experts there to help with any questions I might have, and without the aggrivation of acting like pompous asses. I've visited the CBA site several times though, and my first opinion of what I saw there hasn't changed. That opinion is that the CBA is a vehicle to get the support of a bunch of "regular guys" to subsidize and provide an audience for a small group of aristocratic insiders. I may be wrong, but that's the opinion I formed the first time I visited the site, and it hasn't changed: "Come, join the CBA! We need YOUR money for OUR hobby." But then, with the exception of the NRA, I'm not much of a joiner. For those who enjoy belonging to various organizations, more power to ya. | |||
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Sorry, but I can't resist putting in my 2 cents worth. As long as the CBA is about shooting heavy guns from a benchrest, you won't find me at a CBA match. Yes, they do have a standing category, but few people participate in it, and it requires a heavy rifle to be competitive. The heaviest rifle that I own weighs about 6 1/2 pounds with scope. I do enjoy some of the FS articles, at least, the ones not related to benchrest shooting. I seldom visit their forum because of the moderator and because of the outdated Yahoo format. If I were running the CBA (not that I have any desire to) I would immediately change moderators and move the CBA forum out of Yahoo. If asked, I bet Accurate or Cast Boolits would create a forum for CBA business, providing the moderator issue gets resolved. The general cast bullet discussion could and should be merged into one of the existing cast bullet forums -- minus that moderator. All I want from a moderator is to police any racist or other hateful remarks that will drive people away from the shooting sports. Some of the remarks about felines are not helpful, either. Otherwise, I value free speech and exchange of ideas. If a thread is off-topic or just plain dumb, then I don't have to read it. I don't need a moderator to decide what I should read. | |||
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My $.02. I used to read a friends Fouling Shot mags when Frank Marshall and Paco Kelly and Merril Martin were active/alive. It was the ONLY place to get good cast info. Then, when I could afford it, I joined for 2 or 3 years before the dues went up. I noticed that I was seeing the same articles printed in the Fouling Shot at www.sixgunner.com and on Yahoos CB-L. When the dues went up I dropped out. As far as the CB-L goes- I joined and lurked for some time. I did make contact with Tom Gray and a few other decent guys over there. Then one day I posted and didn't follow Der Furhers policy on trimming the base message because I didn't know how, and still don't. I received the most rude, infantile and nasty email I ever got from Chas. Hamilton regarding my mistake. I emailed him back regarding the threats he made in his original email and got another nastier one back. Then I attempted to post a message on the CB-L regarding all this, but must be Chas. nipped it, 'cuz it never got posted. I lurk thre once in a while but won't post. The Yahoo CB-L is listed at the CBA website as their message board. I think they should divest themselves of that ASAP. If the CBA wants to continue they should do as was recommended and sponsor a message board like this one or the Cast Board. When the Fouling Shot was the only place ( other than Rifle and Handloader I should mention) to go for cast info it was a very busy magazine with lots of cutting edge info. These days with the internet serving for almost instant exchange of info, the magazines are outdated as cutting edge information sources. I still subscribe to several, but if I need info now I go to the net. I suppose I'll rejoin the CBA and see what happens. | |||
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Ah, my very good friend beagle has waxed eloquent and stated with proclivity, the very things that are important and a relevant to we as common group of cast bullet shooters. I am at a loss of words to add anything more. Having been to a dog and pony show at the county fair more than once, made and lost a fortune, rubbed elbows with some big fish as well as the local peasants, attened an institution of higher learning, I've never lost my ability to call a spade a spade or BS with the locals. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, more than likely, it IS a duck. (duh!). So in like terms, if folks act like shitheads, more likely than not, they are shitheads. Herr Koronel is a shithead....there it is in print, sue me. When an organization profers itself as forum for 'cast bullet shooters' and then caters almost (key word here, ALMOST) entirely to an exclusive group of benchrest afficinados, therein lies the problem as the vast majority of the membership is excluded from the onset. I will bet that not more than 2% of the CBA members are active BR shooters and the rest are common Joe's, just interested in making and shooting Pb projectiles. For a person interested in slinging lead downrange with his model 94 30-30, his needs are little met by reading about Ardito and Lee and few other folks poking bugholes with specialized BR rigs and monotype bullets. As I recall, the dues increase amounted to a 79% increase in one fell swoop, that's enough to cause anybody to choke....especially when they get little in the way useful information that 98% of the membership can relate to. I found the CBA publication to contain maybe 3 pages of reading and the remainder nothing more than a a report on match results....ho-hum. The web forums I have been involved with, have brought together the most interesting and decent group of individuals I have ever had the pleasure to associate with. There is a vein of commonality amongst the cadre, good humour, open discussion, bitches, rants, and open exchange of ideas and experiments that beggars the suggestion that any improvement could be had within any community of like-minded folks. We have stuck together because we LIKE each other and the fact that we LIKE what we do. I have no fear that should this web site go belly up..we'll find another one in short order. | |||
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Mountaingun: F: Thanks for the well written post. M: I do enjoy some of the FS articles, at least, the ones not related to benchrest shooting. F: I'll take that as a compliment, since I write some of them! M: If I were running the CBA (not that I have any desire to) I would immediately change moderators and move the CBA forum out of Yahoo. If asked, I bet Accurate or Cast Boolits would create a forum for CBA business, providing the moderator issue gets resolved. The general cast bullet discussion could and should be merged into one of the existing cast bullet forums -- minus that moderator. F: This is an excellent suggestion. I like it! As a long-standing CBA member I have seen the organization go through lots of changes. I have good memories of how it used to be back in the 80s when I joined up. These help me as I have been confronted with jerks like Chas. I have seen how the CBA Postal shooting works to get budding cast bullet shooters to take a next step in their casting/shooting by comparing their results with others. I score for the Postals to this day, its a good outfit. I, like you, don't much care for strict benchrest shooting. Fortunately there is no need to restrict one's shooting at all as witness all the different classes available in Postal shooting. You name it, its there.. Except possibly BP shooting. M: All I want from a moderator is to police any racist or other hateful remarks that will drive people away from the shooting sports... F: Sure. It has been suggested (on private mail) that we consider this question more yet. I know there are men on this site who have been around casting and shooting long enough to have memories and insights about the CBA as I have and would really like seeing the outfit improve its offerings both on-line and hard-copy. Come on fellows: We've got their attention I think. Time for some good constructive comments. Good morning, Forrest | |||
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I'm reading some good posts regarding this issue.. How do we convert these concerns into constructive results? Anyone have e links to the officers of the club? I would contribute dues IF these issues got taken care of. Anyone else? | |||
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Gents, A few points to ponder here... "For my $.02 worth, forums like Shooters and Accurate and Cast Boolits will tend to be the leading edge of technology for cast shooters for years to come as opposed to the printed media which is too slow." Precisely why I thought starting another forum was needed...we need "instant gratification" in these times of microwaves for melting FWFL instead of double boilers. Although AR has been a gracious host I thought a home of "our own" was needed and it seems to be appreciated and I am grateful for all. The CB-L has over 900 members listed and while I surmise only a tiny sum are checking in that still is a great number of fellow boolit casters that could be reached if they were turned off by the moderator. "If asked, I bet Accurate or Cast Boolits would create a forum for CBA business, providing the moderator issue gets resolved. The general cast bullet discussion could and should be merged into one of the existing cast bullet forums -- minus that moderator." Yes, Certainly if asked I would be open to hosting a CBA category for them. "All I want from a moderator is to police any racist or other hateful remarks that will drive people away from the shooting sports. Some of the remarks about felines are not helpful, either. Otherwise, I value free speech and exchange of ideas. If a thread is off-topic or just plain dumb, then I don't have to read it. I don't need a moderator to decide what I should read." That is precisely what I am looking for in moderating Cast Boolits or when visiting other sites. Happy to see it put into words so well. "common Joe's, just interested in making and shooting Pb projectiles. For a person interested in slinging lead downrange with his model 94 30-30 " Yup thats me,'cept I prefer using the 45colt version of the '94 ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif){kind=icon} 45nut | |||
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Lotta good and valid stuff being posted here, especially by Beagle--who summed up my feelings pretty succinctly. I have learned more by reading these bulletin boards for the past 5 years or so than I ever did in the preceding 18 years of pouring boolits. My shooting results have seen a quantum leap in quality during that time, and 98% of the reason why that occurred is due to the time I spend here sharing information with some truly knowledgeable folks. I was aware of the CBA prior to going online with this hobby, but have yet to access the group or use its resources. I am sure its membership can make fine contributions to the hobby, and I would welcome them to a forum such as this or 45 Nut's group--which I also enjoy greatly. No one enjoys didactic or overbearing text, and these groups show neither tendency. While today's post is made from home, I get a chance every so often while at work to "get a glimpse of reality" by logging on and briefly immersing myself in the fellowship and friendly byplay that takes place herein. You have no idea how valuable that is at times. The Internet has "built a better mousetrap", and folks like Saeed and 45 Nut took firearm hobbycrafts to the next level very nicely. THANK YOU VERY MUCH! | |||
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