Heh.

https://www.krqe.com/news/new-...-santa-fe/1625677892

Damn neat little critters to hunt.

Any chance that one was planted there?

George

It is possible.

There are javelina in New Mexico but normally only ih the southern part of the state along the borders with Texas anmd Arizona.

Here is the link to a site showing range maps of Javeliona/Collared Peccary.

https://www.google.com/search?...SM%253A%252CM5BGw6fo

It wouldn't surprise me if that little sucker got there on his own. They've been steadily expanding their territory in this state for the past decade or so. I've lived in south central NM since 1993, and in the past few years I've started seeing javelina in places where I had never even seen sign of them. They are becoming quite common around here; not even a novelty any more. It must be all that global warming making previously inhospitable parts of the state more inviting.

That is great. I was not gpoing to suggest that becausec I have not kept up with either New Mexico or Arizona as far as Javelina populations are concerned.

There is or was a remnant population up in this part of north Texas, but have not seen or talkmed to anyone that has seen any in at least 5 years.

Most javelina I ran into were south (to the Mexican border) and west (to the New Mexican border) of Odessa, in West Texas. I preferred to hunt them with a handgun. It's just too easy with a rifle. Once panicked, they have no clue what to do. They can't see good enough to know what to do next, and will just as soon run towards you as away from you. I jumped a sounder of about a dozen javelina once while mule deer hunting near Van Horn. I killed nine while sitting on a rock as they ran all around me.

I ran over one south of Crane one night, going 70 MPH. I thought that pig would never come out from under the car. It sounded like a bowling ball was trapped under there.

It happened so fast, I circled back to see what the hell happened. When I got back to him, he was lying there kicking and a buddy had come out to stand beside him on the road and watch him die.

They're a weird (stupid?) animal. I'm surprised they aren't extinct.

I frequently find javelina in the Apache Creek area of NM.

They are neither weird or stupid, they are just different.

Amazing. When I was hauling pipe to the rigs
all over Midland, Odessa, Artesia country for ELFarmer/CO. in the late 60's and til '75.
I never once saw one, ever. Not a rattler either.

One day a bunch of us went out to a drill site and loaded up 6-8 truck loads of left over casing. The gin truck driver and last two drivers stayed to finish up the last few joints.

One of the truckers stepped between the pipe and got nailed by a big rattler that had been under there the whole time.

Mighty lucky some of the rest of us didn't get nailed too as we were all over and around that stack of pipe.

George

We have javelina in Oliver Lee State Park here just south of Alamogordo. Saw my first ones along Highway 54 on the way to El Paso a while back.

Are many hit on the roads?
Always wondered if running over
one might be like hitting a rock
that size.

I've wondered why I never saw a one in all
the miles and days I spent in the oil fields.
Reckon there just wasn't near as many, nor spread
as far and wide back then.

The only hog I ever saw on the road was monster white boar that ran across the hwy in the rolling hills of SD in '70. Man was I ever glad to have missed that one! Sure would have derailed my little old single axle White tractor dragging a box full of clothes hangers. Might still be picking some up if I had.
Re: 1000 boxes, 500 per.
George

I never saw that many road-killed javelina, but saw quite a few live ones standing in bar bitches. One big boar stood there when I passed and was still standing when I turned around and drove up to him to get a second look. He was a big bruiser. He let me get within 25 yards of him before he bolted.

We used to see many while mule deer north of Crane and they were fairly thick in the mountains near Kent.

During the 13 years I did the Javelina hunts east of Ft. Stockton in Pecos country, I do not remember seeing all that many having been ran over.

I do remember seeing them use the larger drainage culverts that went under I-10, to get from one side of I-10 to the other.

Ken, those javelinas I saw along Highway 54 were near a bar ditch this side of Orogrande. Wonder what the attraction is.
Randall, I used to love your Shoestring Safari site and wanted to go on a hunt with you for years.

It was a lot of fun and I met some really great folks including a few AR menbers.

Too many people really don't appreciate species such as the Javelina, simply because they aren't really that hard to hunt, especially if the only time a person sees them is from a Deer Stand overlooking a timed feeder.

If done by spot and stalk using handguns or archery they are fun to hunt. For beginning hunters, even rifle hunters, javelina provide the opportunity to learn how to spot and stalk and use the wind to their advantage.

One of the problems is thast some folks, including Texans really do not understand that Javelina's are classified as Game Animals with a bag limit of 2 per year, and you end up with supposedly law abiding hunters making statements such as this: I killed nine while sitting on a rock as they ran all around me.

Bigotry is not just restricted to humans toward other humans, but by humans toward other species! It would be interesting to see how TP&W felt about someone openly admitting to killing 9 javelina in one day!!!!!!

I don't recall javelina being classified in Texas as Big Game back in the 80s. No one in West Texas that I knew ever owned a javelina license, or were made aware that javelina were legal only on a deer license, or that there was a limit on them.

Hunting licenses were required to hunt javelina in New Mexico back then, but I don't believe they were required in Texas.

Nor were licenses required for Aoudad. Aoudad were considered to be "exotics" and were likewise the property of the landowner. Mrs. Hart's ranch which is now part of the Clayton Williams empire allowed us, and in fact encouraged us to eliminate her Aoudad and javelina, on sight. She changed her mind on Aoudad after having some mule deer hunters with the Denver Broncos tell her she could get $1,000 per animal. She never changed her mind on javelina. (No one would have paid her 10 cents to hunt a javelina.)

CHC, post something here that will make me believe we were illegal back in the 80s.

I am checking with TP&W as to when Javelina began being listed as a Game Animal and when a season and bag limit were established for them.

As soon as I hear back from them I will post their answer.

Aoudad still do not require a hunting license nor is there a season or bag limit on them as they are an exotic and are basically considered as livestock by TP&W.

I do know that I shot my first Javelina in 1990 at the Chaparral WMA on a drawing hunt conducted by TP&W.

Many folks in Texas still do not view javelina as game animals and TP&W still does not have tags for them on the license.

We have the damn things in our yard almost every night. They raise hell with a garden lawn and flower beds garbage cans you don't fence them out.

I shot a javelina in NW Texas, about halfway between Abilene and Lubbock, around 25 years ago. At that time they were unregulated in counties in those areas. Since then TPWD has re-classified them, set a bag limit, and also limits the counties in which they may be hunted.

I was told that the Waggoner Ranch near Vernon, Texas, had stocked javelinas sometime in the 1970's and that those in the northern portions of Texas were a result of that stocking. Outside of the one I killed (actually assuming it was a feral hog), I've never seen another in that part of the state.

Other species which have expanded their range substantially northward in the last thirty years or so include the White Wing dove and the armadillo.

From historical records and archeological evidence Javelinas in the 1800's ranged from Arkasas down along the Gulf Coast all the way to Florida I believe and back across to Arizona and into Mexico.

As that part of the US began being settled and land uses changed, the javelinas were pushed out or exterminated from mosat of their former range.

The reason I contacted TP&W is that I can not remember exactly when Javelina received Game Animal status in Texas but even now while considered/listed as a Game Animal there are no tags on the license and in 50+ counties the "Season" is from September 1 thru August 31, while in 40+ counties the season runs from early October thru most of February.

In the remaining 150+ counties there is no Open season.

In March of 2010 after doing a couple of hunts out at Fort Stockton, one morning about 2 weekds after I got back home here just outside Olney, in Young county I walked out of the house and there was a 45 to 50 pound boar javelina walking around our vehicles.

The last ones I know of positively being seen close to here was a picture of 3 going across a field about 6 miles southwest of where I liove that the guy I work fotr took while going out to check on dsome dover hunters and was in September of 2014 I believe.

I found these comments in Texas Parks & Wildlife Department literature dated 2008. "In Texas, the
javelina was first given game animal status and the protection of seasons and bag limits in 1939. Early regulations were highly variable, ranging from no open season, to no closed season and no bag limits."

Back in the 80s when I hunted them, they were given the same respect as coyotes; see 'um, shoot 'um.

The animal in Texas that I felt deserved big game status was Mountain Lion. I don't believe they are considered Texas Big Game to this day. Don't they have the same protection status as coyotes, bobcats, or jack rabbits?

Another interesting thing. An old friends father (88 yo) was raised in Calixico Ca and still talks about Javalina in Southern California. The state really doesn’t mention them.

quote:

Don't they have the same protection status as coyotes, bobcats, or jack rabbits?

In Texas, Yes, NONE! You forgot cottontails.

The only thing TP&W wants to know is where and when the lion was killed or found dead.

I am pretty certain that you do in fact need a hunting license to hunt aoudads in texas......exotic or no. Just like axis, fallow, blackjack, feral pigs and such.....

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There is a gray line there as well. I bought a Texas "deer" license when I hunted hogs on Gato's ranch. But, when depredation is a factor, Gato told me that if I were stopped with meat and the authorities needed clarification because I didn't have a license, that I could have them call him, and he would explain that he had hired/allowed me to hunt hogs due to the damage they were causing on his property.

I never bounced that off the TP&WD, but having the license made it a moot point anyway.

The aoudads and javelina in the 80s on the Hart Ranch was a similar scenario. Mrs. Hart wanted them removed. We carried a Texas deer license to hunt mule deer on her place. So neither she, nor we, thought we were violating any law.

This is from the TP&WD web site,

Nongame, Exotic, Endangered, Threatened & Protected Species Nongame, Exotic, Endangered, Threatened & Protected Species Valid Sep. 1, 2018 through Aug. 31, 2019.

Nongame Species A hunting license is required for the take of nongame species.

There are no closed seasons, bag limits or possession limits; and, they may be hunted at any time by any lawful means or methods on private property.

There may be restrictions for certain species of nongame animals (see below).

In addition, be aware that public hunting lands may also have additional restrictions.

If hunting at night, please make a courtesy telephone call to your local game warden (512-389-4848).

Nongame Animals Includes, but is not limited to, the following: Armadillos Bobcats Coyotes Flying squirrels Frogs Ground squirrels Mountain lions Porcupines Prairie dogs Rabbits Turtles (freshwater)

Unlawful Activities For Take, Possession Or Sale Of Nongame Wildlife It is UNLAWFUL to: take ANY nongame species for commercial purposes (sale, offer for sale, barter, or exchange) from PUBLIC lands or waters. possess and sell live armadillos. purchase, sell, trade, transport or ship out of state bobcat pelts without the appropriate pelt tag (CITES) attached. A pelt tag must be attached prior to being transported or shipped out of this state. Pelt tags may be obtained from any permitted bobcat pelt dealer, or any TPWD Regional and Field Law Enforcement Office. For additional information contact TPWD at (800) 792-1112, menu 7, option 9 or (512) 389-4481.

Transport or sell live coyotes, as they are currently under a statewide rabies quarantine. For additional information, visit the DSHS website.

Possess a diamondback terrapin at any time.

Hunt (capture, trap, take or kill) any wild animal or wild bird on a public road or the right-of-way of public roads, except that a person may capture indigenous reptiles and amphibians (for recreational purposes ONLY) on the shoulder or unpaved right-of-way of a public roadway, provided the person possesses a valid Reptile and Amphibian Endorsement, the person employs non-lethal means ONLY to capture the reptiles or amphibians, the person does not possess a trap, and the person is visibly wearing at least 144 square inches of reflective material, both front and back. No person may use artificial light from a motor vehicle to locate, capture, or attempt to capture a reptile or amphibian.

Collect from the wild, sell, offer for sale or exchange certain species of nongame wildlife; however, many species of nongame may be sold offered for sale, bartered, or exchanged, provided the proper nongame permit has been obtained from TPWD and all reporting and recordkeeping requirements are met.

Take or possess species of any freshwater turtle for commercial purposes, except red-eared sliders, common snapping turtles, or softshell turtles, which may be taken from private water for commercial purposes, provided the appropriate permit has been obtained. These regulations are subject to change. For more information on nongame regulations, permit requirements, and lists of lawful and prohibited species, contact TPWD at (800) 792-1112, menu 7 or (512) 389-4481, or visit Nongame Permits.

Endangered, Threatened and Other Protected Animals In Texas, animal or plant species of conservation concern may be listed as threatened or endangered under the authority of state law and/or under the U.S. Endangered Species Act (ESA). It is unlawful for any person to hunt threatened or endangered nongame species. To sell or purchase goods made from threatened or endangered species, proper documentation must accompany the goods. See a list of threatened and endangered species in Texas.

Threatened And Endangered Subspecies Subspecies of threatened or endangered species are also protected and may not be taken or possessed. This includes but is not limited to the Eastern Timber Rattlesnake (aka Canebrake) and Indigo Snake. Protected Birds Hawks, owls, falcons, eagles, and all other nongame raptors, birds and songbirds (except for the unprotected birds listed in the Non-Protected and/or Exotic Species section) are protected by various state and federal laws and may not be killed, taken from the nest, picked up, or possessed for any reason, and their feathers may not be possessed or sold. Arts and crafts may not include these protected species under any circumstances.

A federal depredation permit may be issued to individuals who have evidence clearly showing certain protected wildlife is causing serious damage to commercial agricultural, horticultural, or aquacultural interests, or presents a threat to public safety. For more information, visit the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service website.

Bats May not be hunted, killed, possessed, purchased or sold; however, bats may be moved, trapped, or killed if inside or on a building occupied by people. A person may transport a bat for the purpose of laboratory testing if there is a rabies concern.

Black Bears, Black bears are listed as a Texas state threatened species. They are protected and cannot be hunted or killed. Please report black bear sightings or mortalities to (512) 389-4505.

"Canned Hunts" (Wild Animals) No person may kill or attempt to injure a dangerous wild animal (African or Asiatic lion, tiger, leopard, cheetah, hyena, bear, elephant, wolf, or rhinoceros, or any subspecies or hybrid of these animals) that is held in captivity in this state or that is released from captivity in this state for the purpose of being killed, nor may any person conduct, promote, advertise, or assist in the hunting of a dangerous wild animal (Parks and Wildlife Code §62.101-§62.107).

Non-Protected and/or Exotic Species On private property, there are no required means and methods of take, state bag or possession limits, or closed seasons (hunting hours) on exotic animals, exotic fowl or other species not included in any of the previously addressed categories. Exotic Animals And Fowl An exotic animal is any animal that is not indigenous to Texas, including but not limited to aoudad sheep, axis deer, elk, sika deer, fallow deer, red deer, and blackbuck and nilgai antelope. An exotic fowl is any avian species that is not indigenous to Texas and is also not protected by the federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act, including but not limited to ratites (emu, ostrich, rhea, cassowary, etc.).

It is UNLAWFUL to: hunt an exotic without a valid hunting license (Class misdemeanor); hunt an exotic on a public road or right-of-way. (Class A misdemeanor); hunt an exotic without the landowner's permission. (Class A misdemeanor); or possess an exotic or the carcass of an exotic without the owner's consent (Class A misdemeanor).

Feral Hogs And Coyotes Hunter Education requirements apply.

A resident or non-resident hunting license is not required to hunt depredating feral hogs or coyotes on private property with landowner authorization.

Transportation and release of live feral hogs is unlawful, unless in compliance with Texas Animal Health Commission (TAHC) regulations. The TAHC regulates the movement of feral swine for disease-control purposes. For more information please call TAHC at (800) 550-8242 or visit tahc.state.tx.us.

Mountains Lions, Mountain lions are classified as nongame animals; they are not protected and can be harvested at any time. Please report mountain lion sightings, harvests or mortalities to (512) 389-4505.

Unprotected Birds Birds not protected by any state or federal law include European starlings, English sparrows, feral rock doves (common pigeon), Egyptian geese, Muscovy ducks (only outside Rio Grande Valley counties) and Eurasian collared-doves; these species may be killed at any time, their nests or eggs destroyed, and their feathers possessed.

Yellow-headed, red-winged, or Brewer's blackbirds and all grackles, cowbirds, crows, or magpies may be controlled without a federal or state depredation permit when found committing or about to commit depredation on ornamental or shade trees, agricultural crops, livestock, or wildlife, or when concentrated in numbers and in a manner, that constitutes a health hazard or other nuisance (Federal Regulation 50 CFR 21.43).[/b]

Kensco, ewhere the confusion may be coming in, Terxas does not issue single species licenses.

The Texas hunting license covers all species of Native Texas game animals.

Unlike other states that issue seperate licenses, such as deer/elk/bear/antelope etc., Texas lumps everything under one license even though they do not have tags for Pronghorn or Javelina.

Pronghorns are covered under a Private Land Owner tag TP&WD issuers to landowers offering hunts and there are no tags for Javelina.

I have not heard anything back from TP&WD as to when Javelina were given game animal status, I will keep looking for that.

Hell im kind surprised they don’t have a bunch there. I see them at the Grand Canyon regularly. Don’t get them at the house but just down the mountain at 6500’ or so there are several herds I see weekly. I’ve seen them in northern Texas a few times over the last 10 years. They are tough little bastards. Can’t figure out how they survive up here in the snow.

Finally got an answer back from Texas Parks and Wildlife concerning when Javelina/Collared Peccary were first listed as a Game Animal with a season and bag limit.

quote:

Javelina Season and Bag Limits first went into effect Sept.1 1996.

I shot mine in South Texas before they were considered game animals. No longer interested in them unless they damage landscaping.

I killed my first Javelina in 1990 or '91 on a draw hunt TP&W held on the 15K+ Chaparral Wildlife Management Area in Dimmit and LaSalle counties between San Antonio and Laredo.

I still believe they are the most fun animal to hunt, if you actually get out and hunt them.