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05 February 2009, 01:05

C.C.

257 Roberts/120gr Nosler partitions @2800fps. How would that do for piggies?

I was told my .270/150gr. would be a little "light" for African plains game, but it did a good job on a big old cow elk.

Of course, I think a .308/30-06/165gr. might be better.

What do you guys think? Thanks.

05 February 2009, 01:27

Larry Matherne

I think if you put it in the boiler room, or head-neck, you will do just fine. Some heavier calibers might give you a bit more leaway though.

It is my experience that hogs sometimes don't leave as good a blood trail as I'd like, so you need to make really good hits to get good results, perhaps even more so than other game.

Lost one recently myself, shooting it on the move at 15 to 20 yds. with a .30/06 from a Win. 1895 from a high tree stand. I'm thinking I hit it in the back probably taking out one lung. Never found a drop of blood or the hog.

Several years ago I shot one at about 75 yds in the shoulder with a 130 gr slug from a .270. Never found any blood, finally found the hog dead on a gametrail about 100 yds. from the bullet"s impact.

05 February 2009, 03:18

ted thorn

.257 Roberts + hog = dead hog

05 February 2009, 03:30

Whitworth

quote:
Originally posted by Larry Matherne:
I think if you put it in the boiler room, or head-neck, you will do just fine. Some heavier calibers might give you a bit more leaway though.

It is my experience that hogs sometimes don't leave as good a blood trail as I'd like, so you need to make really good hits to get good results, perhaps even more so than other game.

Lost one recently myself, shooting it on the move at 15 to 20 yds. with a .30/06 from a Win. 1895 from a high tree stand. I'm thinking I hit it in the back probably taking out one lung. Never found a drop of blood or the hog.

Several years ago I shot one at about 75 yds in the shoulder with a 130 gr slug from a .270. Never found any blood, finally found the hog dead on a gametrail about 100 yds. from the bullet"s impact.

My exact sentiments. You have to place your shots well (this goes for every caliber, though), but a shot to the head, neck, or boiler room will result in a dead pig.......

05 February 2009, 04:15

jeffeosso

Excellent choice, don't expect exits. My 257 shoots so accuractely that it is my preferred moonlight gun..

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05 February 2009, 06:36

Geedubya

It will work great for pigs. Shoot them about two inches below the ear on a line between the ear and shoulder. This will sever the spine and they will drop and paddle and be DRT and you will not have to track them.
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05 February 2009, 07:05

Harold R. Stephens

My 257 Roberts has put down some 200# plus pigs, DRT. 100 grn Sierra GK and Pro Hunters do the trick. As stated above, pigs don't leave much of a blood trail do mto hide and fat closing up around hole. CNS shots to head or spine will eliminate the need to trail hogs.

05 February 2009, 08:46

bucko

My input is that if you stick a hog anywhere from the neck to just back of the front shoulder with that caliber and bullet and you will have a very dead hog.
My pick would be tight behind the shoulder a quarter of the way up his body, and i bet you find your hog within 75 yards at that most.
If you want him down right there then a shoulder shot or neck shot would be in order.
I would not be one ounce afraid of a shoulder shot with that caliber and bullet, I have shot much bigger game than that with the same combination and it kills all out of proportion to what you might think.

05 February 2009, 10:52

billrquimby

>>>>> was told my .270/150gr. would be a little "light" for African plains game,>>>>>>>

The guy who told you this was absolutely wrong! IMHO, 99% of problems with putting African antelope down result from bad bullet placement caused by heavy-recoiling calibers that most hunters don't shoot well. Your favorite deer rifle (.270 included) will efficiently kill everything up to and including eland and zebra if you put the proper bullet in the proper place.

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05 February 2009, 16:32

Crazyhorseconsulting

The 257 Roberts with 120 grain bullets and proper shot placement will get the job done quite well.

I prefer larger calibers in nearly all my hunting but have taken down uite a few animals with my wife's 257.

The only word of caution or point I somewhat disagree with in using the 257 on larger pigs is that I would probably avoid shoulder shot, especially on the larger boars 200 pounds and up, that layer of tissue that builds up on their shoulders is pretty tough, and I am not real sure that 120 grain bullet out of the Roberts would have enough energy to get thru it at 100 yards or over. JMO.

05 February 2009, 17:53

Whitworth

quote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
The only word of caution or point I somewhat disagree with in using the 257 on larger pigs is that I would probably avoid shoulder shot, especially on the larger boars 200 pounds and up, that layer of tissue that builds up on their shoulders is pretty tough, and I am not real sure that 120 grain bullet out of the Roberts would have enough energy to get thru it at 100 yards or over. JMO.

Great point and sound advice!

05 February 2009, 18:17

Gatogordo

quote:
Originally posted by billrquimby:
>>>>> was told my .270/150gr. would be a little "light" for African plains game,>>>>>>>

The guy who told you this was absolutely wrong! IMHO, 99% of problems with putting African antelope down result from bad bullet placement caused by heavy-recoiling calibers that most hunters don't shoot well. Your favorite deer rifle (.270 included) will efficiently kill everything up to and including eland and zebra if you put the proper bullet in the proper place.

Bill Quimby

+1 Absolutely right. Good bullet plus good bullet placement will kill then dead. IMO the "toughness" of african plains game is quite overrated. Like anything, including a chimpmunk, you have to hit 'em where it will kill 'em.

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05 February 2009, 18:19

Gatogordo

quote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
The 257 Roberts with 120 grain bullets and proper shot placement will get the job done quite well.

I prefer larger calibers in nearly all my hunting but have taken down uite a few animals with my wife's 257.

The only word of caution or point I somewhat disagree with in using the 257 on larger pigs is that I would probably avoid shoulder shot, especially on the larger boars 200 pounds and up, that layer of tissue that builds up on their shoulders is pretty tough, and I am not real sure that 120 grain bullet out of the Roberts would have enough energy to get thru it at 100 yards or over. JMO.

I'm real sure that a nosler partition, which is what he is apparently using will punch through it an kill that hog DEAD.

05 February 2009, 18:54

Whitworth

I prefer a heavier rifle for the big ones. But, the partition is a fine bullet in my opinion, and I have taken some hogs with Partition Golds -- but in a slightly bigger caliber........

05 February 2009, 19:11

onefunzr2

quote:
Originally posted by Eland Slayer:
quote:
Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:
...but a 30-30 will kill pigs and deer just as dead
as anything else will.
AD

I'll have to disagree with that one Allan. Deer....yes. Pigs....NO!! If you shoot a big (200+ lbs) boar that is mature from a broadside angle, I'm willing to bet a .30-30 bullet will not penetrate the shield. If you shoot him in the head, that's another story, but you can't expect a novice beginning hunter to make head shots on a regular basis.

If a 30-30 bullet bounces off a pig, a 120gr 25 caliber would perform even worse. Unless you put one in his eye.

05 February 2009, 19:29

Larry Matherne

I disagree, a 30/30 will certainly give sufficent penatration from a broadside shot within reasonable range with a shoulder hit to make a kill. It most certainly will not give you an exit, and may or may not leave you a suffient blood trail.

I would expect better penatration from a .25 cal 120 partician at 2800 fps. Others will disagree, but that is MHO.

05 February 2009, 19:37

bucko

It has been my experiance with a thirty thirty that a shoulder shot hog requires no tracking

05 February 2009, 20:51

Larry Matherne

I guess that depends on the terrain you're hunting. I wouldn't expect too many bang flops with a shoulder hit, on a mature boar, they could go a small piece, no problem in open country, could be trouble in the thickets I generally find myself.

08 February 2009, 22:58

Buglemintoday

quote:
Originally posted by C.C.:
257 Roberts/120gr Nosler partitions @2800fps. How would that do for piggies?

I was told my .270/150gr. would be a little "light" for African plains game, but it did a good job on a big old cow elk.

Of course, I think a .308/30-06/165gr. might be better.

What do you guys think? Thanks.

Your 257 roberts/partition combo should do just fine on hogs.

09 February 2009, 01:04

kenoneill

"If a .30-30 bounces off a pig..." ??? That, sir, is ridiculous. May I suggest that you need to actually shoot some pigs. The number of hogs that have been killed, and are killed, with .30-30's is...a damned bunch !

09 February 2009, 03:05

Whitworth

quote:
Originally posted by kenoneill:
"If a .30-30 bounces off a pig..." ??? That, sir, is ridiculous. May I suggest that you need to actually shoot some pigs. The number of hogs that have been killed, and are killed, with .30-30's is...a damned bunch !

Amen to that!