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Originally posted by MacD37:
All Farmers have to do is allow hunter on their land to shoot all the hogs they want, and thier problem will be over. If they charge high prices for people to hunt them, many fewer will be taken. If free access is offered, the problem will be relieved, and they will save money on less crop damage, or loss of cattle food from their protine feeders, and fence damage. I will be more than happy to spend a lot of money on ammo, and gas to help all I can, as will the whole DRSS crew, I'm sure!

With all due respect, this post and your post above it tell me that you don't know shit about wild hogs or people on other people's land for free.

Like Wendell R. told me a while back kill all of them except a couple big ones. Then the big'uns will eat the smaller ones. You might then have to shoot a few but not that many. Just a thought. Packy

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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Originally posted by MacD37:
All Farmers have to do is allow hunter on their land to shoot all the hogs they want, and thier problem will be over. If they charge high prices for people to hunt them, many fewer will be taken. If free access is offered, the problem will be relieved, and they will save money on less crop damage, or loss of cattle food from their protine feeders, and fence damage. I will be more than happy to spend a lot of money on ammo, and gas to help all I can, as will the whole DRSS crew, I'm sure!

With all due respect, this post and your post above it tell me that you don't know shit about wild hogs or people on other people's land for free.

FAT CAT
I think your opinion is just that your opinion, and nothing more! It quite evident you don't know me very well.

First let me tell you I'm 72 yrs old, and was born on a cattle ranch in the top end of the Hill country of Texas, and I have been shooting wild hogs since I was six yrs old. There is not anything you can tell me about wild hogs that I don't already know, nor can you tell me anything about letting people hunt on "MY" land for free!

As far a killing hogs goes today, 15 members of the DRSS kills over 60 hogs per year on two two day hunts, on the 4K ranch every year, and most Texas members kill another 80 or so each the rest of the year.

Son, you've got a mouth on you that would get you slapped on your ass if you talk that way to men face to face! Judging by your very juvenile
outburst, and bad manners, you are the one who doesn't know shit!
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MacD37:

The number of hogs you and your acquaintances have killed is admirable.

However, it pales in comparison to the number of flies I've swatted. I assume you've noticed how there are hadly any flies left due to my deftness with the swatter -- they're practically an endagered species. I'm sure you're having much the same effect on hogs.

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
MacD37:

The number of hogs you and your acquaintances have killed is admirable.

However, it pales in comparison to the number of flies I've swatted. I assume you've noticed how there are hadly any flies left due to my deftness with the swatter -- they're practically an endagered species. I'm sure you're having much the same effect on hogs.

You are quite correct in you analogy, though a little extreme,and frankly a little sarcastic. At least you show some manners.

The amount of animals I've quoted is not to say this alone will solve the hog problem in the USA, and Texas in particular, but our take both club, and individual, multiplied by several hundred who would hunt these hogs given the chance to show they can be trusted to shoot only hogs, and do no damage, and you have a considerable dent in the hog population.

For the farmer who is a vegetable crop, or grain crop grower, who is being eaten out of house and home by wild hogs, is a fool if he doesn't enlist all the help he can get to mitigate some of his losses. It seems to me he would want someone to shoot some of these hogs. Simply because a hunter is hunting for free, doesn't mean he will do damage, while relieving you of some hog burden. Our ranch never charged anyone to hunt, but the rules were made clear at the outset to anyone asking to hunt there. One gate left open, or one shot in the wrong place, or trash left, and they never hunt there again. My grandfather never said anything twice!

There are only two kinds of land in Texas! Land that has hogs, and land that WILL have hogs. A land owner of a property of any size cannot control the hog population alone, and charging people as much as $600 for a two day hunt (unguided), then charging the hunter another $100 per hog he takes is not going to get rid of many hogs. I've never known a rancher who couldn't set, and enforce rules on his land, and if he is sustaining a fair amount of damage, he is a fool if he doesn't make them available to hunters who other wise can't pay those exorbitant fees. In the short term, he gets back some of his damage, but he doesn't solve any long term problem. Hunting is a tool he can use that costs him nothing.
That is all I was saying, and I don't think that opinion was a request for the poor manners, and foul language of the poster who, it seems, knows it all, or at least thinks he does!

..................BYE!

MacD37,
Neither wishing to appear rude nor arrogant. The number of people to accomplish level of hunting to effectively damage the herd numbers
is huge.
The prescribed remedy will still take cooperation of All surrounding land owners.

(For the 1800 acre place that's three , 25000 west and south " H*** NO" last time asked.
Ditto for 8000 north and east and 3000 south and east.The river bottom 900 gets more complicated and for the 250 even more so.)

My own situation aside,I think you are probably right to an extent--more hunters more kills.

However,from my experience the organizational level and time involved not to mention the liability of having all these hundreds of "unknown" people in proximity to one another is unwieldy even on small acreage.

I can hardly imagine having thousands loosed across for example McColloch or San Saba county
in a mass hunt.

Having spent lots of time money and thought on this problem already.
I will still cast my vote for any legal method, including aircraft(which ,BTW, we have already utilized).
The change in use of aircraft proposed:
Is that without the additional cost of a hired gun, one can legally get above one's own land(or land of others with approval)and cover ground and further assist in reduction of these pests.

Hopefully,to levels that sport hunting might be able to almost control.

I too have hunted and farmed/ranched all my life
taken much game and killed far more pests.

Fact is, the problem is huge , the damage is huge and what ever I can legally and safely do I will.

I'd rather risk someone I know in the air above my land, than 100 or 200 someone's I do not know on the ground.
It's just that simple for me.

Above one's land ,one should be able to utilize this option if one so chooses.

Duggaboye, I totally agree that the problem is huge, and I also agree that hundreds of unknown hunters waltzing around the brush at one time would be a nightmare. However, that was not what I was suggesting at all. I don't claim to know everything, but I don't accept that others do either!

I didn't mean to suggest that all means shouldn't be utilized.
The use of the chopper, airplanes, and night shoots, and trapping, "PLUS" the use of smaller groups of hunters, assigned to certain pastures, with feeders, dogs,or spotlighting hunts could all be utilized over time and only makes sense. I hunt the 4K ranch, and farming operation in McColloch Co. on all it's 96,000 acres of property, and you are correct that there are lots of hogs there. This is basiclly a Cattle ranch, with some fields, but mostly pasture land with low fence. They have a small high fence operation for Axis deer, and Blackbuck antelope, but there are no hogs in that 1500 acres.

I was born in southeast Coleman county, 28 miles from Brady, and my dad was born in McColloch Co, near Melton. One of our family ranches is the McCartney ranch also near Melton,(My father's family) and the other was in Coleman co,and brown co.(my mother's family) where I was born in my grandfather's house, built by my great grand father in 1892.

There has always been wild hogs in that country since I was born 72 yrs ago, and I doubt anyone will ever completely solve the problem. That is not what got my dander up, and the hammer back! It was the manners of the know it all's way of speaking to me as if I were a simpleton. If that guy talks to people like that face to face, he must be a real bad boy,or he must be carrying a lot of scars on his head. People in this part of the country are not in the habit of accepting that way of starting a discussion!

I seldom come on North American hunting forums for exactly the reason I'm leaving this one. It seems every young dope who thinks he knows all there is to know about hunting on the internet, are on the pig, and whitetail deer forums, and all they want to do is beat their chest like a gorilla, while hideing behind a keyboard!


PS: By the way, my screen name is DUGABOY1 on most other websits other than AR! Now I bid you adieu!

This is not about hunting. This is about vermin control. My family owns property on the Leon River drainage in Hamilton. We killed 188 feral hogs last year and did not make a dent in numbers because of the pigs reproductive rate. The water in the Leon has shown elevated coliform bacteria levels which intially was thought to be primarily from upstream dairies but later felt to be primarily from feral hog activity. Hogs make a big negative impact on our pecan and field crops locally. There is a big potential for disease spread to humans and other livestock as well. I can see how some would see helicopter use for hog control as a negative. This is just not the same as using a light plane to find a dall ram land and shoot it from an ethics standpoint.

I'm not hiding behind a keyboard, if you want to try to slap me around, PM me and I'll send you my address. Then you can do it or you can't.

You're crawfishing with every post because you realized, after I called you on it, how ridiculous your original two posts were. I don't give a damn how many hogs you've killed, stupid statements are still stupid statements. I can tell you this, old wise one, that if you hunt hogs very long and hard with guns, then you'd better plan on buying night vision scopes and staying up real late a lot of nights because you won't be seeing them in daytime very often.

Finally, scratch the "with all due respect."

Actually there are a group of people that used to make a good living from trapping feral hogs. They would catch a bunch, say 50-100 or more, at a time in large pens. The trapper would load them into a big trailers and truck them to collecting stations where they would be picked up. These were then tested, slaughtered and sold to European consumers.

I know several Texas trappers who aren't pleased with aerial shooting of hogs! Damn waste of AV Gas.

some people come here to talk hunting
some come here to talk shit.

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Originally posted by Rusty:
Actually there are a group of people that used to make a good living from trapping feral hogs. They would catch a bunch, say 50-100 or more, at a time in large pens. The trapper would load them into a big trailers and truck them to collecting stations where they would be picked up. These were then tested, slaughtered and sold to European consumers.

I know several Texas trappers who aren't pleased with aerial shooting of hogs! Damn waste of AV Gas.

That's true but whether it was a good living or not is subject to discussion. The prices for wild hogs for food was and is not very high except when the euro market first opened up. Some of the put and take operations paid higher for bigger boars. There is no prohibition in Texas to prevent them from still trapping. I suspect they stopped because the market, due to supply, became too cheap to make it profitable. I'm not sure of current prices but not too long ago wild hogs were bringing 10 cents a pound. That makes a 200 pound hog worth $20, not worth the trouble of catching and transporting.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
I'm not hiding behind a keyboard, if you want to try to slap me around, PM me and I'll send you my address. Then you can do it or you can't.

You're crawfishing with every post because you realized, after I called you on it, how ridiculous your original two posts were. I don't give a damn how many hogs you've killed, stupid statements are still stupid statements. I can tell you this, old wise one, that if you hunt hogs very long and hard with guns, then you'd better plan on buying night vision scopes and staying up real late a lot of nights because you won't be seeing them in daytime very often.

Finally, scratch the "with all due respect."

The source has been considered!

Whether prices for trapped hogs are high or low, the problem is still that trapping only impacts a small percentage of the population. Hogs are smart survivors. They learn traps quickly. The successful trappers move their traps around regularly and don't return to a place that was previously trapped until a new generation of "innocent" hogs comes along. By its very nature, trapping just won't impact hog populations.

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
I'm not hiding behind a keyboard, if you want to try to slap me around, PM me and I'll send you my address. Then you can do it or you can't.

You're crawfishing with every post because you realized, after I called you on it, how ridiculous your original two posts were. I don't give a damn how many hogs you've killed, stupid statements are still stupid statements. I can tell you this, old wise one, that if you hunt hogs very long and hard with guns, then you'd better plan on buying night vision scopes and staying up real late a lot of nights because you won't be seeing them in daytime very often.

Finally, scratch the "with all due respect."

The source has been considered!

From your previous post: "I seldom come on North American hunting forums for exactly the reason I'm leaving this one."

Hell, you can't even be consistent for one post.

Don't you think it would have been better to simply say you disagree, and state the reasons why, instead of such disrespectful post listed below? You started out with words in bold in your post,uttered as sarcasm, then proceded with extreme foul language and disrespect!

Cat, what the hell is wrong with you? I certainly do not think every idea I might have is the end all, as stated. Evidently, unlike you, I seem to be human, and falable. I have no trouble being told I'm wrong, but there is a civilized way to go about it, don't you think.
Maybe I am wrong,to some extent,or even all the way, but who was it that came out with foul language, and disrespect? Then you have the gall to get upset because I didn't like the way you posted to me!

My question still has not been answered. Do you often talk the way you did in that post, to people face to face? I really doubt you do talk to people that way face to face, because if you do I don't know how you stay alive!

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ByGatogordo

With all due respect, this post and your post above it tell me that you don't know shit about wild hogs or people on other people's land for free.

Don't you think your statement above was a little over the top? As I said above it was not that you think I'm wrong, but you way of stating it!

Cat, you can rave on all you want, but at least take a look at who started, and continues to use foul language, and sarcasm, it certainly was not me!

To the rest of the folks here I'm sorry for this disruption of your thread!

GatoGordo, if you want to continue with this, then please do so by PM, or Email. I really don't see any benefit in carrying it further here disrupting this forum.

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Originally posted by MacD37:
Don't you think it would have been better to simply say you disagree, and state the reasons why, instead of such disrespectful post listed below? You started out with words in bold in your post,uttered as sarcasm, then proceded with extreme foul language and disrespect!

Cat, what the hell is wrong with you? I certainly do not think every idea I might have is the end all, as stated. Evidently, unlike you, I seem to be human, and falable. I have no trouble being told I'm wrong, but there is a civilized way to go about it, don't you think.
Maybe I am wrong,to some extent,or even all the way, but who was it that came out with foul language, and disrespect? Then you have the gall to get upset because I didn't like the way you posted to me!

My question still has not been answered. Do you often talk the way you did in that post, to people face to face? I really doubt you do talk to people that way face to face, because if you do I don't know how you stay alive!

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ByGatogordo

With all due respect, this post and your post above it tell me that you don't know shit about wild hogs or people on other people's land for free.

Don't you think your statement above was a little over the top? As I said above it was not that you think I'm wrong, but you way of stating it!

Cat, you can rave on all you want, but at least take a look at who started, and continues to use foul language, and sarcasm, it certainly was not me!

To the rest of the folks here I'm sorry for this disruption of your thread!

GatoGordo, if you want to continue with this, then please do so by PM, or Email. I really don't see any benefit in carrying it further here disrupting this forum.

Well, you are acting like you talk but there is one big problem.......I have nothing to say to you because you now choose to lie about what I said. You're flat lying in your above post when you say I started out with words "in bold" and then FALSELY quote them. That is a complete lie and you've previously copied them in their original form which had no bold words. You can't even keep track of what you post. I simply said your first two posts were full of shit as regards hog hunting in Texas and I stand by that comment. In your follow ups, you have essentially recanted on those posts. If you'd just said you spoke too fast to start with this wouldn't have gone this far. Instead you mentioned how you think I should get "slapped on my ass". I kind of take that personally. If you want to take it personally, then, like I said, I'm not hard to find and will gladly send you my address.

Finally, I am respectful to people in person who know what they are talking about, others can take it as they wish......I've had my ass whipped a few times, and I've won a few....I'm getting pretty old and slow these days so mostly they have to whip my .45 first.

Now, if you want to apologize for being a liar, I'll apologize for saying you're full of shit.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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Originally posted by MacD37:
Don't you think it would have been better to simply say you disagree, and state the reasons why, instead of such disrespectful post listed below? You started out with words in bold in your post,uttered as sarcasm, then proceded with extreme foul language and disrespect!

Cat, what the hell is wrong with you? I certainly do not think every idea I might have is the end all, as stated. Evidently, unlike you, I seem to be human, and falable. I have no trouble being told I'm wrong, but there is a civilized way to go about it, don't you think.
Maybe I am wrong,to some extent,or even all the way, but who was it that came out with foul language, and disrespect? Then you have the gall to get upset because I didn't like the way you posted to me!

My question still has not been answered. Do you often talk the way you did in that post, to people face to face? I really doubt you do talk to people that way face to face, because if you do I don't know how you stay alive!

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ByGatogordo

With all due respect, this post and your post above it tell me that you don't know shit about wild hogs or people on other people's land for free.

Don't you think your statement above was a little over the top? As I said above it was not that you think I'm wrong, but you way of stating it!

Cat, you can rave on all you want, but at least take a look at who started, and continues to use foul language, and sarcasm, it certainly was not me!

To the rest of the folks here I'm sorry for this disruption of your thread!

GatoGordo, if you want to continue with this, then please do so by PM, or Email. I really don't see any benefit in carrying it further here disrupting this forum.

Well, you are acting like you talk but there is one big problem.......I have nothing to say to you because you now choose to lie about what I said. You're flat lying in your above post when you say I started out with words "in bold" and then FALSELY quote them. That is a complete lie and you've previously copied them in their original form which had no bold words. You can't even keep track of what you post. I simply said your first two posts were full of shit as regards hog hunting in Texas and I stand by that comment. In your follow ups, you have essentially recanted on those posts. If you'd just said you spoke too fast to start with this wouldn't have gone this far. Instead you mentioned how you think I should get "slapped on my ass". I kind of take that personally. If you want to take it personally, then, like I said, I'm not hard to find and will gladly send you my address.

Finally, I am respectful to people in person who know what they are talking about, others can take it as they wish......I've had my ass whipped a few times, and I've won a few....I'm getting pretty old and slow these days so mostly they have to whip my .45 first.

Now, if you want to apologize for being a liar, I'll apologize for saying you're full of shit.

Posted 06 March 2009 18:30 Hide Post
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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
Your answer may be a measure of your arrogance thinking that you don't have to obey the common sense rules BASED on COURTESY on which this forum is founded. Those rules, both stated, and implied, say that one should use a forum for it's intended purpose. Perhaps you don't think rules apply to you?

cant we all just get along?

MacD37:

On third or fourth thought, I was wrong to use a phrase in my post which you seemed to feel was insulting, I apologize, both to you and to all the other members of this forum. And this is my last post on this topic.

I can not speak for any area except where I live and I've lived all 60 years on the same place. You are not going to kill off wild hogs with a helicopter. The state shoots my area after the freeze and several times during the winter till the mesquites start to leaf out and they still don't kill them off. They are just too smart!!! The helicopter has killed over 600 per DAY on numerious occasions and in two weeks time we cann't tell they killed even one. They normally stay a week and on occasions they use a Super Cub with the helicopter. I live on the banks of a river, ideal habitat for hogs so they poliferate like flies. The gestation period for hogs is three months, three weeks and three days so its very easy to get 2 1/2 litters per year. We used to have lots of Turkey, Quail and rattlesnakes but now all three are getting to be hard to find. We've trapped, let people hunt for free, charged people to hunt and every other idea that came down the pike and the hogs are just as thick as before.
I have never lost a cow/calf from the helicopter but have lost a calf from a "hunter". He shot it three times!! If you can stand on the eve of your house and cann't tell the difference between a calf and a hog you sure don't need to be hunting. This is basically the same as hunting out of a helicopter.
The use of hunters is also not effective because they all seem to have a job, family obligations, football game or something else so they cann't hang around for long at a time.
And no, coyotes, cats or other natural predators don't care for hogs even when the are dead. Coyotes will eat very small pigs if you blow them up with a rifle but the larger hogs will totally decompose untouched.
For the farmer/rancher in out area its a tough deal. They have put the peanut farmer totally out of business here and if you plant milo you will spend lots of time driving the turning rows just to keep a half of a crop.
If hog cholera does happen to come here and wipe out the hogs expect to attend a party at my house! Who knows, several years ago we were overrun with coyotes and the mange came through and culled them so maybe there is hope something will get the hogs.

I was at a place (which I cannot disclose) in Texas reciently where I saw another Texas solution, which was poison corn.

There were lots of dead birds laying around the piles. I suppose the hogs made it to the woods and died. It was an awful and toxic place to be.

You are right about the bigger hogs just rotting and the yotes and other preditors not touching them. I did see buzzards working on some fresh remains, which worries me some because I think that poison will kill the buzzards too, just from eating the dead hog.

KB

I've seen the poison deal also and it worked for about two days and the hogs caught on and would not eat corn from any source after that. I don't know what they used, they would not say and I didn't want to know but there was not dead birds or anything other dead animals either. They finally got the helicopter to finish the herd off and that ended the problem. They were rooting up the flowerbeds and yards in the outer houses in town. They was about thirty in this particular herd.

The answer might be to develop a market for the meat. I hunted many years when I lived in Germany. There, a hog is worth about $1.00/lb field dressed. The hogs are individually tested for disease/parasites and then released for sale. Local butchers and restaurants buy them. I know lease holders of hunting properties in Germany that nearly pay for their leases through the sale of meat (hogs, red/fallow/roe deer).

Make it worth some money - might help. Of course, the government and the hog growers will have something to say about that.