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Any Hog results with this neat little round? Also looking for a few box of the Remingtion 275gr Barnes Hoghammer Factory ammo.  "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | ||
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The 250 gr. Hornady rounds shoot great from my ar as well as my Ruger bolt gun. I've killed lots of pigs with the ar and a nice Alberta bear with the bolt gun. As a side note, my buddy has worked up a subsonic load for his 450bolt gun that will put 3 shots touching at 50 yards. He is using a pistol suppressor and had to have an adapter made due to the goofy thread pattern Ruger uses. | |||
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It's all about physics, is a 444 Marlin good on pigs? A 44 mag out of a rifle? That's what a 450 bushmaster duplicates. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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That's funny. Everyone knows that it is the Name and Celebrity reputation that matters most in killing power for a cartridge. Physics laws for bullets are circumvented when you use something with a catchy name. | |||
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You mean the 458SOCOM ? It matches the 300 gr 45-70 factory load. That with a Barnes all copper certainly works very well on deer up to 300 lbs in my experience !  | |||
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Perhaps Mr. Dettorre should review item one in his signature line.  | |||
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I did... S.K. essentially asked what kind of results are people getting? and my answer is... see item 3 meaning the exact same results as every other ~ 43-45 cal bullet weighing around 250-260 grains travelling ~2000 fps Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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One factual note; the 450 Bushmaster is not in the same league nor genre as the 458 Socom; the former using only .452 pistol bullets, whilst the latter uses real, .458, rifle bullets. I have built several of them. The latter. They work well with 300, 350, and 400 grain, 45-70 bullets. | |||
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 Mike, NOT being documented and specific? opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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And you should also mention that the .458 SOCOM doesnt come close to those "real" rifle bullets' intended velocities. Even though you can use pistol bullets in the 450 Bushmaster, Hornady and Barnes both make bullets specifically for this caliber to be used at this velocity range. And yes, Safarikid, the .450 Bushmaster works very well on hogs. I have never needed to shoot more than once. See here: http://www.nola.com/outdoors/i..._hogs_dont_alwa.html | |||
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Anyone have anything fresh to add to this thread? Anyone work with 300-grain or heavier hard cast in the Bushmaster? Just seems like it would be a fun chambering to play with. Tom, can the .458 SOCOM run on a standard AR frame? There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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Go to Buffalo Bore and Underwood and Double Tap...I think 2 of them load for them...the trick to get the extra velocity is to load them out longer if your shooting a Bolt gun..Not the ARs as the mag limits you...Also Grizzly Arms loads a 285 @ 2250fps! (Then there is the 45 Raptor..same but longer and more hp...Buffalo Bore has some sweet loads ready for that one!!! Not sure but I think the AR15 is all that's needed for this... Last Bighorn Armory now offers a AR with the 500 Smith Rimless!!! "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | |||
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I have played with 300-400 grn .458 bullets swaged to .452 in my Ruger bolt gun. 400grn at 2000 fps are easy to obtain. I took some of those 550 grn lyman cast bullet to 1600 fps, but it was not as fun to shoot. The muzzlebreak does work, but not as well with the really heavy bullets. The Ruger is built on a .308 length action, so bullets can be seated out more then AR platforms, and pressure increased. Makes it into a whole nother critter over the restrictions of the semi platforms. | |||
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Bill/Oregon, YES. My son has been shooting an AR 458Socom for a few years and to the game, it is just another 45-70 - meaning that it shoots through most everything and is a KillzAll. Bullets 300 - 500+ . Hogs, Nilgai, deer, etc. Machts Nicht. NRA Life Benefactor Member, DRSS, DWWC, Whittington Center,Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/ | |||
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Bill again - but then he also shot hogs with his .223 AR, Rem 308, etc. The smallest bore that I have used on feral hogs is my 1892 .357 Mag rifle - one shot and flop goes a 200 pound sow. NRA Life Benefactor Member, DRSS, DWWC, Whittington Center,Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/ | |||
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Not mine but here is a super deal on a Ruger 450 STAINLESS with 2 stocks and other extras!! Check out what I found on GunBroker.com! https://www.gunbroker.com/item/793965620 "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | |||
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Bill, I've used the socom for several years. It uses the standard AR lower and regular mags. Marty Ter Weem designed it that way. Of course the mags become single stack and capacity is roughly 1/3, i. e. a 30 round becomes a 10 round. I found the Lancer mags work very well. I primarily use the Barnes 300 grain TTSX, it was specifically designed for the socom. It's devastating on hogs and deer, expands well at lower velocities. Not a long range round obviously, but works well in the thick stuff. "For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind..." Hosea 8:7 | |||
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Thanks, Hogfarmer. I've been looking further into the .450 Bushmaster and the Socom. For some reason, Socom brass is three times the price of Bushmaster. The two cases apparently have nearly identical capacity, but the Socom seems designed to run heavier bullets, which I consider a plus. But the Bushmaster is right on its heels when run from a bolt-action rather than an AR platform. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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If I were building a bolt gun I'd strongly consider the 458 Ham'r. Essentially a socom reamer run a little deeper, standard dies setup to account for the difference. Wilson Combat came up with the concept and offers it in a hybrid between an AR 10 and AR 15. "For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind..." Hosea 8:7 | |||
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Look up the 45 Raptor ...plus they are loaded by Buffalo Bore and Underwood..I think 250 to 380gr ! "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | |||
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Someone on another forum just pointed out that KAK Industries builds an AR-15 upper in .450 Marlin. It is not inexpensive. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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They build the 450 Marlin on the 308 size (AR-10tm) platform. not the AR-15. Now, if you are working with bolt guns; well those play by different rules altogether. Don't bother with 450 Bush or Socom; Just make it a 458 American or 458 and load up to 65K psi and get any velocity you want. | |||
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Tom, thanks for the thoughts. To me, half the fun of these cartridges is being able to run them from the AR platform. The SOCOM seems to make the most sense to me. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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My bad -- that .450 Marlin is on the AR10 platform ...  There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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I can build the socom. | |||
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Yes, I have one, and it's going out to my range this weekend so my nephew can give it a whirl. | |||
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Jon, it ought to be very serious medicine for those New Jersey bears that infest your neighborhood.  There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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Yes, and mine has a log barrel to wring out every bit of whup-ass from that cartridge :-) | |||
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