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http://www.khou.com/news/Houst...g-trip-86905967.html

You'll see more of these as time goes on. Mix the environment the type of flying and the type of helicopter and it's recipe for disaster.

It's dangerous enough in a real helicopter. The R-22 just gives you less margin for error.



 
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Bad situation, prayers to the families and friends of the two people that died in the crash.


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Posts: 31014 | Location: Olney, Texas | Registered: 27 March 2006Reply With Quote
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My prayers go out to the families.

This happened just south of here. These R-22's go down periodically. They are towed on flatbeds and used for stock and game surveys, hog and predator control, and stock round-ups.

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Posts: 3065 | Location: Hondo, Texas USA | Registered: 28 August 2001Reply With Quote
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Guys--having a few hours in rotary wing aircraft, I got to tell you that this type of flying is just plain scary and dangerous. Low and slow is a recipe for disaster, as if something does go wrong, you have no airspeed to trade for altitude/lift, and no altitude to recover (aerodynamically we call this below the "dead man's curve" on the altitude/airspeed plot). Add to it the need of the pilot to constantly maneuver to give the shooters shots instead of maintaining a cross-check on engine/systems instruments, and it just gets worse. And, the R-22 isn't as robustly powered as some of the choppers I used to fly and I certainly wouldn't do it in them.


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My prayers go out to the families.

This happened just south of here. These R-22's go down periodically. They are towed on flatbeds and used for stock and game surveys, hog and predator control, and stock round-ups.

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Posts: 11143 | Location: Texas, USA | Registered: 22 September 2003Reply With Quote
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Interesting, I saw one go by today in hondo, and I was also mentioning to my buddy, how helicopters in general scare me, and specially small helicopters, and specially small helicopters that dont look in prime condition....

I am a pilot by the way, so it is not a general fear of flying....

I would like to try the helicopter hog hunting sometime, but it would have to be with a very experienced pilot, in a very well maintained and newer helicopter, preferably maintained by a mechanic I know, and after going over all the maintenance records myself.
 
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I should clarify that the three I'm refering to were for rounding up cattle and not part of any hunting operation or other passenger carrying mode. I didn't intend to associate that comment with any outfitters.


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Guys--having a few hours in rotary wing aircraft, I got to tell you that this type of flying is just plain scary and dangerous. Low and slow is a recipe for disaster, as if something does go wrong, you have no airspeed to trade for altitude/lift, and no altitude to recover (aerodynamically we call this below the "dead man's curve" on the altitude/airspeed plot). Add to it the need of the pilot to constantly maneuver to give the shooters shots instead of maintaining a cross-check on engine/systems instruments, and it just gets worse. And, the R-22 isn't as robustly powered as some of the choppers I used to fly and I certainly wouldn't do it in them.

Throw in some spotty maintenance and you have a recipe for a HUGE disaster. Sadly, this wil be only the first of a wave.


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You only have to look at the number of crashes in Australia to see how dangerous this is.


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for the record...

The hunter shot the engine in this particular crash. Tragic and sad for all involved.

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Posts: 6382 | Location: Cordoba argentina | Registered: 26 July 2004Reply With Quote
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Yeah and you sat on your helmet! This is the reason almost every gun mount known to man has a limited range of motion. Don't shoot the engine, the rotors, anything that can spurt oil, and of course the pilot. You think this stuff doesn't happen? Even the professionals f up under extreme conditions. Once that adrenaline hits, no fine motor control and a bad case of tunnel vision.


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Not what happened at all.Check the N.T.S.B web sight. He ran out of gas. Happened 60 miles from me.


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Posts: 265 | Location: south texas | Registered: 30 November 2001Reply With Quote
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Not what happened at all.Check the N.T.S.B web sight. He ran out of gas. Happened 60 miles from me.


Was there another crash around the same time in the area? I had heard from another pilot that the hunter shot the engine with a 308. He may have been speculating though. Either way it was preventable, very sad!

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That is almost as bad on the stupid list!


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Used to represent general aviation manufacturers in litigation. Never ceased to amaze me how many crashes were caused by really basic things -- like fuel management, for instance.
 
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