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Hog helicopter fatal crash
04 September 2012, 06:52
surestrikeHog helicopter fatal crash
http://www.khou.com/news/Houst...g-trip-86905967.htmlYou'll see more of these as time goes on. Mix the environment the type of flying and the type of helicopter and it's recipe for disaster.
It's dangerous enough in a real helicopter. The R-22 just gives you less margin for error.
04 September 2012, 07:25
CrazyhorseconsultingBad situation, prayers to the families and friends of the two people that died in the crash.
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04 September 2012, 19:19
Bob in TXMy prayers go out to the families.
This happened just south of here. These R-22's go down periodically. They are towed on flatbeds and used for stock and game surveys, hog and predator control, and stock round-ups.
Bob
04 September 2012, 22:05
dustofferGuys--having a few hours in rotary wing aircraft, I got to tell you that this type of flying is just plain scary and dangerous. Low and slow is a recipe for disaster, as if something does go wrong, you have no airspeed to trade for altitude/lift, and no altitude to recover (aerodynamically we call this below the "dead man's curve" on the altitude/airspeed plot). Add to it the need of the pilot to constantly maneuver to give the shooters shots instead of maintaining a cross-check on engine/systems instruments, and it just gets worse. And, the R-22 isn't as robustly powered as some of the choppers I used to fly and I certainly wouldn't do it in them.
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05 September 2012, 00:56
tiggertatequote:
Originally posted by Bob in TX:
My prayers go out to the families.
This happened just south of here. These R-22's go down periodically. They are towed on flatbeds and used for stock and game surveys, hog and predator control, and stock round-ups.
Bob
I was looking pretty closely at three of them a while back on trailers in Brooks County. I wouldn't ride in a car in as bad of mechanical shape as those three birds were in.
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11 September 2012, 09:55
Patricio GaudianoInteresting, I saw one go by today in hondo, and I was also mentioning to my buddy, how helicopters in general scare me, and specially small helicopters, and specially small helicopters that dont look in prime condition....
I am a pilot by the way, so it is not a general fear of flying....
I would like to try the helicopter hog hunting sometime, but it would have to be with a very experienced pilot, in a very well maintained and newer helicopter, preferably maintained by a mechanic I know, and after going over all the maintenance records myself.
11 September 2012, 10:47
tiggertateI should clarify that the three I'm refering to were for rounding up cattle and not part of any hunting operation or other passenger carrying mode. I didn't intend to associate that comment with any outfitters.
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14 September 2012, 22:29
JCS271quote:
Originally posted by dustoffer:
Guys--having a few hours in rotary wing aircraft, I got to tell you that this type of flying is just plain scary and dangerous. Low and slow is a recipe for disaster, as if something does go wrong, you have no airspeed to trade for altitude/lift, and no altitude to recover (aerodynamically we call this below the "dead man's curve" on the altitude/airspeed plot). Add to it the need of the pilot to constantly maneuver to give the shooters shots instead of maintaining a cross-check on engine/systems instruments, and it just gets worse. And, the R-22 isn't as robustly powered as some of the choppers I used to fly and I certainly wouldn't do it in them.
Throw in some spotty maintenance and you have a recipe for a HUGE disaster. Sadly, this wil be only the first of a wave.
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14 September 2012, 23:11
505GYou only have to look at the number of crashes in Australia to see how dangerous this is.
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17 September 2012, 15:49
perryfor the record...
The hunter shot the engine in this particular crash. Tragic and sad for all involved.
Perry
17 September 2012, 19:07
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17 September 2012, 20:36
Mike SmithYeah and you sat on your helmet! This is the reason almost every gun mount known to man has a limited range of motion. Don't shoot the engine, the rotors, anything that can spurt oil, and of course the pilot. You think this stuff doesn't happen? Even the professionals f up under extreme conditions. Once that adrenaline hits, no fine motor control and a bad case of tunnel vision.
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18 September 2012, 07:45
cropdusterNot what happened at all.Check the N.T.S.B web sight. He ran out of gas. Happened 60 miles from me.
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18 September 2012, 17:02
perryquote:
Originally posted by cropduster:
Not what happened at all.Check the N.T.S.B web sight. He ran out of gas. Happened 60 miles from me.
Was there another crash around the same time in the area? I had heard from another pilot that the hunter shot the engine with a 308. He may have been speculating though. Either way it was preventable, very sad!
Perry
23 September 2012, 02:17
Mike SmithThat is almost as bad on the stupid list!
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23 September 2012, 04:14
lavacaUsed to represent general aviation manufacturers in litigation. Never ceased to amaze me how many crashes were caused by really basic things -- like fuel management, for instance.
