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Took a 95-100 pounder this morning but noticed an unusual reaction upon impact. The shot was fairly long (about 260 yards), but I had a solid rest and was using my favored Contender with its 26" MGM barrel 6.5 Bullberry IMP, so I didn't have any qualms about taking this shot. So I settled in, put the crosshairs high on the shoulder and gently squeezed the trigger. At the shot, the hog arched its back and took off slowly, making the 10-12 feet into the brushline. I immediately began to get a sickening feeling in my stomach. Thinking I had somehow blown the bullet placement, I elected to wait a couple hours before going after him. I did not want to press him if he was not down and out. I knew that decision would cost me the meat as it was quite warm this morning, but I felt I had no other choice as any approach would inevitably bring my scent his way. But there was no reason to wait: The 129 grain Hornady took him tight behind the shoulder and exited the center of the opposite shoulder, dropping him within 20 yards of impact. I've just never seen this reaction in a lung-shot animals but have noticed it on numerous occasions on TV hunting shows when a hit that is obviously too far back (of course, you get the predictable exclamation of "lung shot!" from the show host  )In hindsight, I guess I shouldn't have second-guessed myself as the shooting conditions were virtually perfect, but then again, things do happen when hunting. And I didn't want to take a chance on pushing the hog if indeed the bullet impact was not as I had planned. I was relieved that the shot hit where I wanted but still felt bad that the meat would be wasted. So, there are no photos as the hog was already bloated and crawling with fire ants. Plus, a buzzard had already found him and taken out one of the eyes. Anyone else have this type of reaction on a lung-shot animal before? Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | ||
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Forgot to say: I did have this reaction about 2 years ago when I popped a hog at maybe 150 yards with a .308 WCF, but it was certainly not a lung shot. At the very last instant, the boar begam to bolt, and the 150 grain Sierra caught it too far back, taking out the liver and rupturing a portion of the stomach and small intestines. He humped up at the impact, slowly made a few steps and laid down as I planted another into its chest to end the ordeal. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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I continue to be amazed at what critters do when you shoot them. Sometimes the results just aren't what you'd expect them to be. One thing stands out about what you described---the speed at which the pig exited stage left. You described it as moving off slowly. I think that is key. If the critter takes off at no more than 2/3 normal speed, I'm pretty confident of a good shot and of finding the animal within 100 yards. My two cents for what it's worth. Congrats on the pig. How large was the exit wound? LWD | |||
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LWD- The exit, thanks in part to secondary bone fragments, was about the size of a fifty-cent piece. Most exits with this bullets on animals of this size (and at this velocity range) are usually the size of a nickel to a quarter unless major bone was struck on its way out. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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bobby, You have taken far more pigs than I have...my experience those has always been if I am in doubt about the hit...to just wait about 15-20 minutes regardless if the animal moves off at full speed or 1/2 speed or whatever speed. Reactions to bullet wounds are just to variable. I don't buy any of that well based on the way it "did X, that musta been a hit in the Y" Sure...somethings are obvious like a dragging leg...but trying to judge heart vs. lung vs. liver...I think is just too variable... I shot a boar just 4 months ago with Kyler...the animal hunched and probably took of at 2/3 to 3/4 speed...Klyer was concerned that I hit it to far back... we found the animal 60 yards a way piled up in the creek bottom...autopsy...a little heart, good lung, and liver damage...just can't tell by the way...no blood trail... I don't think it's wierd...I think it is just plain hunting Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike Dettorre wrote:
I think you are right. And even though the meat was wasted due to the heat, I am still glad I waited as there are no certainties. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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It's very hard to tell without a detailed autopsy.One of the possibilties is the secondary projectile. I once butchered a deer shot in the shoulder with a 130 gr 270 at fairly close range. As I sliced the ham I noticed a small hole .The hole continued half way through the thickest part of the ham and at the end was a piece of bone no bigger than 1/8" !! Pretty good penetration for just a small piece of bone ! | |||
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the old man told me ... "we'll wait while i smoke a cigerette" this is roughly 8 mins... didnt matter if it was head shot or gutshot, his approach had been "wait a minute" i quit smoking along time ago, but still sit and wait if theres any "running" off ... just take really good mental pictures of the layout, and note were he ran opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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My father raised me to be a lung shooter. If you hit a little low, you get heart, a little high-spine, a little back-liver. Then ALWAYS wait 15-20 min b/4 pursuing. I still do this w/ deer, nilgai, elk etc. With hogs I've changed my shooting habits. They get it in the head-either b/w the eyes or under the ear. I just don't want to go in the brush after a hog anymore! And w/ the numbers of hogs, I kill alot more of them than anything else these days. | |||
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Two inches below the ear, on a line between the ear and shoulder is my preferred shot.  but a lobotomy works pretty good too  GWB | |||
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