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Well, in a near repeat of yesterday evening, a sounder of small piggies came out right at dark and in full view from the house. I had ranged the area before and knew that it was 270-280 yards out, so as soon as one of the little guys stood still, I factored in the appropriate drop and offered him up 129 grains of advice in his right ear.  We don't have prairie dogs around here, but these little critters are taking up the slack to offer some longer-range (for me, at least) practice. This one weighed a whopping 20 pounds and will become roasting bag material ala one of Jeffeosso's wonderful recipes.  Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | ||
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I had a "roaster" like that one time that weighed 7.5 lbs. We smoked it whole, and myself, my hunting buddy and our wives left nothing but gnawed bones and greasy napkins!!!! Bobby--now you've got 2 in a row and I've had 2 dry holes in a row--off to the stand Wednesday for me!!!! An old pilot, not a bold pilot, aka "the pig murdering fool" | |||
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Here's hoping Wednesday is a good day for both you and that 22-250. In the Spring, I popped one that weighed 9.5 pounds, and the results were just the same as at your house: nothing but greasy napkins left in the aftermath! The one from today is a little bigger that that (actually went 19.7 on the scale), but I think it'll do nicely in a roasting bag once I quater it up. Add in some wild rice, a nice salad and a huge glass of cold iced tea -- OK, time to stop...I'm making myself hungry... Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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You guys are still missing the boat. Take one of those piggies that will dress out about 3 or 4 pounds, cut it up into about a dozen pieces, season it and then roll it in flour and chicken fry it. That is Ambrosia of the Gods. Good looking pig Bobby, great story. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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CHC- I will finally try that with this piggie. Been meaning to do so for a while now. Part of the one from yesterday has already been enjoyed this afternoon (it was about twice the size of this little guy). Thanks for reminding me of your recipe. The old brain of mine seems to be on permanent vacation lately, and I'm not sure when it's due to come back... Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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This is what I tried today with yesterday's piggie: First, this hog required minimal icing down and draining. So this morning, after cutting a few of the prime chops, I hit them with a bit of garlic powder, sea salt and pepper and quickly seared them to a nice brown in a cast iron skillet. I removed them, lowered the temp and added 2 large sweet onions and 3 sticks of unsalted sweet cream butter to the drippings, sauteeing until it was nearly opaque. Then I added 16 ounces of fresh mushrooms, 1 more stick of butter and green and yellow bell peppers ( 1 of each) along with a pint of heavy whipping cream. (I cooked it a couple more minutes with the bell peppers before adding the heavy cream.) Then I simmered this and added a few spices, inlcuding a touch of cayenne pepper. I also added about a tablespoon or so of corn starch to thicken it a bit. I simmered it a few more minutes, stirring constantly, until it had a nice consistency. I put the chops in a flat pyrex glass pan, poured the concoction over them, sealed it tightly with foil and then baked it at 300 for 2 hours. With baked potatoes and garlic toast, it went over pretty well. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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eeeewwww. Really that sounds quite tasty. I have got to start printing out the recipes. Maybe we need a sticky at the top to put these recipes in. Founding member of the 7MM STW club Member of the Texas Cull Hunters Association | |||
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The .22-250 may get a couple of weeks' vacation after Wednesday night as I'm gonna pull the scope off and send it to Leupold to have a heavy duplex installed. Guess I'll have to drag out the .25-06 or 7 mag--I've noticed that both of them have been whining and sniveling when I've gotten the .22-250 out lately.  Or, if the winds are right, maybe the stick and string or muzzle loader. So many choices-An old pilot, not a bold pilot, aka "the pig murdering fool" | |||
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That sounds fantastic, Bobby! Wow! dustoffer, it's time to appease one of your other rifles..... "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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 It sounds like the advice was well- heeded by this youngin' -Nice shot, Bobby! | |||
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Bob, 270 yards! You da man! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Thanks, guys. I always prefer to keep the range inside of 200, but when the conditions are right, I am very comfortable with my rigs out a good bit farther. My longest shot on a hog has been a lasered 292 yards on a boar of 175-180 pounds last year. I was using the same rig but shooting a 130 grain Accubond at 2626 fps MV. Performance at that range was perfect. The bullet entered tight behind the shoulder, wrecked the lungs and left a quarter-sized exit through the opposite shoulder. The hog made about 25 to maybe 30 yards before giving up the ghost. To some, particularly those who hunt out west, these ranges may seem up close and personal. I punch paper and plink inanimate objects to 400 yards and beyond, but when it comes to live flesh and blood, I prefer to get as close as I possibly can. And if things don't work out, I just pass on the shot. That's part of the reason the Contenders and their low-pressure rounds suit me so perfectly. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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Nice shooting, Bobby. To me, that's a long shot. As you pointed out, out West where there are wide open spaces, the opportunity to shoot long is a lot more prevalent. Most of my hunting has been up close and personal. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Bobby T. Nice shooting, that's a long shot in the field w/o a bench. Big difference between making that shot from a bench rest or elevated high power position while aided by a shooting coat, glove, mat, 2 sighters and tight sling and making that a cold bore shot out in the field with imperfect conditions at an animal that's not going to stick around long.  velocity is like a new car, always losing value. BC is like diamonds, holding value forever. | |||
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Holy cow, Bobby! If I ate like that on a regular basis I would have to have all the door's widened.... That sounds so good. Thanks for sharing the tale as well as the recipe. Good luck and God bless. Jon In Tucson Shoot Straight and Vote! | |||
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Bobby, Great shootin'! Recipes sound scrumptious ... makes me hungry for sure. Mike -------------- DRSS, Womper's Club, NRA Life Member/Charter Member NRA Golden Eagles ... Knifemaker, http://www.mstarling.com | |||
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That recipe sounds excellent. Best- Locksley,R "Early in the morning, at break of day, in all the freshness and dawn of one's strength, to read a book - I call that vicious!"- Friedrich Nietzsche | |||
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UUUM UM Tender vittles  | |||
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Even "out west" 250 yards is a long shot... Maybe I am just not very good with a rifle but if I am going to be shooting at 250 yards, I want either to be prone or sitting on my *ss with cross sticks...and I have maybe taken 3 shots in the field at over 300. People who can shoot at 250 yards off hand under field conditions with consistent hits to a 10 inch plate are the exception in IMHO. Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike- I can assure you I had a very solid rest or wouldn't have taken the shot. I am picky when it comes to shot presentation and bullet placement, and I have driven at least one guide to sheer insanity when I refused a quick offhand shot with an XP-100 at a range I deemed too far (well over 150 yards at a small portion of a blackbuck's neck). I am comfortable and confident with the guns I use, though, and when I touch that tuned trigger, there's little doubt in my mind where that bullet will land and what it will do once it gets there. To some, that may sound arrogant, and if so, I do apologize as I did not intend it that way. Hogs are part of that confidence equation as they provide an almost unlimited supply of target opportunities in this part of the state. Those opportunities translate into extreme familiarity with one's firearm -- and that brings us back to the confidence part. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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Bobby, I have to try the pot sealed with foil method sometime! great shot opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeff- Your method works much better, but I wasn't sure how that would work out with the ingredients I used. I think I recall you saying black pepper tends to go nuclear in the bag, and I did use a bit. But the foil over the glass pyrex dish (I want to say it's about 15" long x maybe 3" deep) did just fine. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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i love hot food, but black pepper in the bag makes it wicked ... i do warn people, if you do pork in a pouch, to use VERY little bp hope to put my feeders and stand out in two weeks opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Bobby, If you interpretted my post as a questioning your judgment/skills I was not referring to you at all. I did not interpret your post as saying you were taking 250+ off hand shots. I made a post on the American Big Game Forum and I am a little surprissed at some of the post regarding 250 or 300 yerd off hand shots. Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike- I didn't think it was intended at me, but then I got to thinking about my post and that I never mentioned how I toook the shot, so I thought I should explain. I just read your thread on the American Big Game Hunting forum, and what you noted about yardages is pretty well my thinking, though every situation is unique. Around here, prone is often not an option due to the terrain and foliage (err...make that intervening "scrub brush."  And don't get me started on the cactus, catclaw and fireants that make any ground contact a bit miserable at times... ) On the other hand, those low-lying mesquites, scrub oaks and others often provide a very stable rest.Also, I really like what you said later on in the thread, especially the very last paragraph: "Perhaps, I mentally prepare for the shot differently than other folks. As I am making a stalk or when I believe that an animal maybe coming into an area shortly...I start to run through scenarios. Does the terrain allow for prone if so start to get estimates on objects so I know distances Does the terrain only allow for a a sitting shot over sticks and if so where is a 250 yard marker so if an animal stops inside of that marker and becomes alert, I have predetermined I will take that shot. I have been fortunate to have been on a few guided hunts and what I hear guides say most often is that most hunters don't have a good "pre-shot" routine. Before somebody says all that planning is a waste of time...I live by the adage planning is useful, plans are useless. The act of planning gets one prepared for the alternatives." Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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Bobby,did I read that right,you used 3/4 lb of butter in your recipe? ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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sure.. haven't you always heard thst game meat is extra lean? opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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As Jeff noted, game meat is generally very lean and needs a little help along the way. 3/4th pound of butter is only 3 sticks. And remember, after the 1st stick, the rest counts as calorie and fat free! Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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Besides, about 1/4 pound is water and milk solids. That leaves just about the same proportion of lean to rendered fat that a commercial pork shoulder would have, and the sauce wouldn't taste nearly as good! "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Bobby, sounds like a wonderful meal! Keep shootin them porkers! | |||
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