Anyone have some hogs taken with a 45/70 or 458 win mag??

What's your favorite load for the hogs?

Buddy had a Marlin lever gun in .45-70 that I worked up a load for using Barnes 300-gr large meplat (big hollow point) bullets. Don't remember the specs but the velocity was 2200-2300 or so as I recall. It was a ham-slamming, teeth-rattling load, but within the specs for the lever action, but not as high as the Ruger#1 will accommodate.

I have shot a hog with the federal 300 grain load @ 1800 fps,I have also shot hogs with a 350 Hornady fp doing maybe 2300 out of my 45-90,both loads worked just fine,dropped em where they stood.

I shot them with my 45-70 I use a 460gr cast at 1400fps dead hogs.

I have not shot them with a 458 mag but used a 460 WBY dead hogs also,

Also shot a bunch with my 416 Taylor.

and a bunch of other calibers also.

I've shot upwards of 30 pigs with the .458 while hunting water buffalo. Bullets included the 420 CEB, 350 TSX and 450 A-Frame. One worked as well as the next, which is to say very decisively.

I used my Ruger #1 in 45-70 with Hornady 350 grain round nose bullets. Very effective.

I used a Shiloh Sharps in 50-70 last month. The bullet was 425 grain lead.
The pig was about 200#.
Unfortunately not a real good test as it was walking on a trail at 50 yards and decided to walk directly at me, but it didn't see me.
Shot it facing me just above the left eye.

df06,
You story reminded me of my first pig as it was 200 pounds; I was hidden in weeds and shot it in the left eye at 5 yards with my 1892 .357 rifle- there was no exit hole and a year later found the bullet when eating a roast off the right shoulder.

rem 405 is an excellent choice, if you keep them under 2000 fps

If you are a hand loader, try the Cutting Edge Bullets 250gr SOCOM over 75gr RL7 Federal 215 primer-458 load. Should really tear 'em up.

Andy B

A 45-70 loaded with a 480 grain bullet at 1250 fps just flattens them. If you aren't happy with that , go to a 510 grain round nosed Govt. bullet at 1200 fps. You will shoot through and through any hog that walks length wise with this one. BTDT.

Sharpsguy--that sounds like the right load to line 'em up and lay 'em in the dirt--multiple kills per shot.

Yes, now you are thinking clearly about good hog rounds; My first hog, taken in 1975, was with a Ruger #1 with a 300 grain at 2400 fps; Did not penetrate but blew the heart up. Others with the Speer 350, does go through them, as this bullet is tougher.
And, finally, one with a 450 Nitro; with Hornady DGX; yes, it went through it and blew out some guts with it. And a friend uses a 45-70 Marlin with 405s; no hog can withstand that.
Forgot the 458 Socom; 45-70 auto; flattens hogs. I like to shoot from any angle and get to the vitals, unlike the gimmick small bores (under 31 caliber) which are marginal at best . Although I did shoot 2 hogs with a 257 Roberts at Ft Stewart with 120 grain Speer; in the heads.

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I like to shoot from any angle and get to the vitals, unlike the gimmick small bores (under 31 caliber) which are marginal at best

Now THAT is funny! I have shot truckloads with what you would call "small" calibers. Sheesh, guys! They aren't armor plated, and they don't have two sets of CNS; hit them in the boiler room and they don't go far. I have shot them in the heart with the "miniscule" .270 and had them drop on the spot...

I've shot a half dozen or so warthogs with a Marlin 45-70 and 350 grn horn flatnose @ a little over 2000 fps. None ever complained!

Yep, I made the big mistake of shooting one with a tiny 30-06 with a 180 Hornady, last fall. Bullet didn't penetrate through side to side. It did manage to kill it though. (Dropped on the spot;; must have died of fright).
I, learning from Elmer, like the big stuff, and like to penetrate into the vitals, from any angle, stem to stern, and any distance. A 270 won't do that.

Shucks, a .243 thru the brain fixes all their problems too.

George

Shot a few with a Ruger .45 Colt and 265gr hard cast semi-wadcutters. But, you have to put it in the right place...and sometimes more than once.
Will be going next week to Texas to to hunt them with my Baikal .45-70 double rifle and my Browning BLR in .450 marlin.

I mean, really. If someone wants to shoot them with a .458 or whatever, more power to them. I am however, extremely disappointed to learn that all those hogs I've killed with a .223 have resurrected because they weren't dead enough.

Gatogordo, you have created zombie hogs!!!
Ammo companies can create a new ammo line for them.
I watched my pal in Australia kill pigs with his 22 hornet while rabbit shooting. His pal kills them with a 17 hornet, both used head shots.

Sure, when you are shooting them standing calmly, giving you a perfect side shot, and there are no trees or brush in the way, you can shoot them with anything. I dropped many with a 22 LR back on the farm.
But I am talking about shooting them whilst they are running at 30 MPH, through the woods, in all directions. I want no part of these little rifles that can't penetrate at least 3 feet of meat, etc, to reach the vitals. The .223, and all these varmint calibers, are not real hog hunting rifles; you will pass up many shots unless you are just plinking them and not hunting them in the woods. As Elmer said (remember, I grew up reading him) "I prefer to do all my hunting before I shoot".

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I mean, really. If someone wants to shoot them with a .458 or whatever, more power to them. I am however, extremely disappointed to learn that all those hogs I've killed with a .223 have resurrected because they weren't dead enough.

That explains why I can't knock down their numbers--all the hogs I've killed with my .22LR in the trap and under the feeder with my .22-250 came back to life!!!!! And, obviously, my bow-kills must have done the same!

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Originally posted by prof242:
Shot a few with a Ruger .45 Colt and 265gr hard cast semi-wadcutters. But, you have to put it in the right place...and sometimes more than once.
Will be going next week to Texas to to hunt them with my Baikal .45-70 double rifle and my Browning BLR in .450 marlin.

Can your Baikal handle the Modern load level? I ask because I see them for sale every now and then.

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But I am talking about shooting them whilst they are running at 30 MPH, through the woods, in all directions. I want no part of these little rifles that can't penetrate at least 3 feet of meat, etc, to reach the vitals

I found out my 416 Taylor well do that with out trouble.

I've whacked a few with my 458 Lott 500gr Hornadys old Inter Lock.. Whacked was a good description.. Much fun

I've seen a couple taken with the 45-70. Effective is a good word and whacked might be even better.

The first ones I shot were taken were with my 45-90 and a 480 grain bullet cast of 25-1 over 80 grs. of the old GOEX Cartridge, the good, early lots. Later loads used Schuetzen Ffg. Only one took a step, two steps actually...not sure if "whacked" is an accurate enough description. "Stomped" might be better.

Baikals are basically built on shotgun actions that are not designed for the heaviest loads. I keep my loads to the trapdoor pressures or a little heavier. Using 405 grain cast bullets at 1500fps, the .45-70 is definitely a stopper. I also use the 325gr Hornady at the same pressures because of the extended range they give and keeping their energy longer. Besides, those leverevolutions seem to shoot very well in my side-by-side.

I've been fortunate enough to take several hundred hogs, and all but perhaps 30 or so were taken with these miniscule "gimmick...sub-.31 calibers" you refer to. I've taken at least 18 doubles as well (two with one shot).

There's not a hog alive that couldn't be cleanly taken with my little 7mm Bullberry carbine, and the day it makes me feel undergunned is the day I'd have to consider refining my shooting skills -- and NOT changing to a larger caliber.


Just my .02....




And the puny 30-30 AI with 150 grain C-T Ballistic Silvertips works, too:

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Originally posted by prof242:
Baikals are basically built on shotgun actions that are not designed for the heaviest loads. I keep my loads to the trapdoor pressures or a little heavier. Using 405 grain cast bullets at 1500fps, the .45-70 is definitely a stopper. I also use the 325gr Hornady at the same pressures because of the extended range they give and keeping their energy longer. Besides, those leverevolutions seem to shoot very well in my side-by-side.

Thank you sir.

Live large---pretend you're Capstick in the tall grass chasing little jumbo. Stoke her up with 500gr Hornady's---you'll be amazed what they do to a porker

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Live large---pretend you're Capstick in the tall grass chasing little jumbo. Stoke her up with 500gr Hornady's---you'll be amazed what they do to a porker

A lot of the fun with hunting hogs is trying new cartridges.

As with most game with a properly placed bullet of any caliber they die.

But there is a lot of fun whacking them with something bigger.

No need to beat up oneself. A flat-nosed lead bullet at 1200-1300 fps will kill a hog just fine. At the ranges most are shooting, no need to goose the velocity for flatter trajectory, either.

I couldn't see any difference in killing power between a mild .45-70 load and a full-power .375. Both put down hogs with little ado.

Clarence

Shot my first with a marlin lever in 45/70 along time ago, 405 factory load.
Changed to 300 gr factories and shot a lot more with the same rifle.
Went on to a ruger #1 in 45/70 and shot 300,350 and 500 grain projectiles all worked.
up graded to a 458 mauser and it worked well.
Got 9 out of a mob with the mauser with 10 shots,500 grain hornadys. Didnt know what day it was after the smoke had cleared.
Great cals for hogs , yes over kill but a lot of fun.
Heres a couple of pics cheers Mick
winchester super express 458 500 woodleighs 100m on run.
458 20m shot whilst hunting buff

Mick,
congrats on winning the rifle in Guns&Game hog hunt!
My pal sends the magazine over so I can keep tabs on you Aussies.

Yes many with both ,great results and not so much damage in the meat ,i used everykind of points .

Does anybody think they could get full penetration side to side and lengthwise with something like a 30-06 stoked with 200 grain nosler partitions?I have little experience in this area so I'm curious about experienced hunters' opinions.
Thanks in advance,
brair

depends on the size of the piggy but you have a good chance with that combo. I put a 180gr Barnes Trippleshock from a 300WM full nose to tail pass through on one that weighed about 150lbs. Those 500gr 458 softs put baseball size holes through sideways but they usually get stopped if you hit the side armor. But then a 480lbdr stopped a 900gr Woodleigh soft from a 600 Overkill hit at close range right on the boiler plates. Of coarse he looked like he'd swallowed a grenade on the inside

Yes you will have full penetration with the 3006 with the 200 grain nosler .