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How come?. Last week I shot a young but big bodied boar weighing about 110 kilo with my 375 H&H and a 270 grains bullet in the point of the shoulder. That awful beast run 120 meters withouth ribs, lungs or heart before giving the ghost. Only because we had a dog which proved to be a hunter in the most casual manner, we recovered it. The autopsy showed almost no internal organs...I´m still astonished Eeker Eeker Eeker
 
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A 100 meter dash isn't that uncommon with heart shots, I've seen it many times no matter what size the rifle is.

Several hunts ago a couple doctor clients of mine, with a lot of time in emergency rooms, were discussing this and thought the reason was that when the heart was damaged the valves may slam shut and therefore maintain blood pressure. Maybe someone out there with real training could comment.

I agree though, some can be extremely tough. We had one boar that only weighed about 170 lbs. that took a gut shot (liver ?) from a .30-06 a neck shot from my .375 H&H (just above the spine so it didn't do much either) then it ran away from me tossed the client around and pushed him down a hill. After we got him to medical help I followed up on the pig (several hours later). When I found the boar in the thick brush I shot him twice more through the lungs with full house .44 Mag. rounds at close range and THEN he came at me again. A shot to the forehead ended it. I was really starting to think that one was immortal.

I remember another decent boar that took a gut shot from a .470 NE (full house Federal 500 gr. Trophy Bonded) and as the pig was getting away I backed him up with another gut shot out of .460 Wby. We might as well have been shooting .223's. I ended up running the pig down as it headed back to cover and shot it in the neck to finish it off. Placement is so important.

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I also had a really well hit (with my .416 Rem shooting 400 grain Hawk bullets at 2400 fps) run off like I had merely scared him. The autopsy revealed that the heart was shredded. Didn't seem to slow him down much......



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Hey Ricardo !!! wave

Isn´this always "unexpectable issue" what makes hog hunting so wonderful ????? Cool Big Grin

Hope to see you soon !
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How come?. Last week I shot a young but big bodied boar weighing about 110 kilo with my 375 H&H and a 270 grains bullet in the point of the shoulder. That awful beast run 120 meters withouth ribs, lungs or heart before giving the ghost. Only because we had a dog which proved to be a hunter in the most casual manner, we recovered it. The autopsy showed almost no internal organs...I´m still astonished Eeker Eeker Eeker


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Here's a picture of the hog's heart, and then a photo of the exit wound and he still took off like I scared him and didn't mortally wound him!






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Impressive !!!

Those were the wounds caused by the 400 grs (416 RM)?

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Yes, 400 grain Hawk Deadsoft at right around 2400 fps from my .416 rem mag. Great hog medicine!



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I have also had a few encounters with "immortal" hogs.

Last summer I was working on a big ranch in Medina, TX (over 7,000 acres). They had a 35 acre field planted in HayGrazer and it came time to cut it and bail it. What happens is this stuff gets like 4 feet tall and the pigs start living in it. All they have to do is get up, eat, and lay back down when they get full. This gets really fun. When we cut the field, we cut it in a clockwise motion so the island of grass just keeps getting smaller and smaller. We positioned ourselves in the corners of the field and "let the games begin". About half way into the cut, a 150 lb. boar decided to come out of the tall grass and take advantage of the already cut grass. He saw me and took off for the brush on the edge of the field. Just as he got to the edge, he hesitated and I gave him a 180 gr. FailSafe from my .300 WSM. I was aiming right behind the ear, but since I had to shoot quick I guess it hit a little low. He started rolling around and then jumped back up. We went over there and there was blood everywhere. We started trailing him and I ended up finishing him with a shot to the head at less than one yard. He was in some THICK stuff that looks like milk weed but it's actually called ice weed. Well, it turns out that I had just blown his entire bottom jaw off and we found his tusks in the dirt about 30 feet apart where I first shot him.

Later that day when the island of grass was much smaller there was a sow that couldn't have weighed more than 75 lbs. that came out of the grass. The guy next to me gave her a .243 WSSM bullet about mid body and I gave her a .300 WSM right through both shoulders and the other guy shot her again through the chest and she still managed to run back to the grass. We found her dead later but GOOD LORD that's a lot of lead for a 75 lb. pig to soak up. 3 shots, 2 of them being good double lung/heart shots and we were only about 40-50 yards from her. I think we shot somewhere between 10 and 12 pigs that day. What a BLAST!


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Last spring I shot one perfect with a .270 WSM 140 A frame and he went down. Then got up and ran off never to be found again. My second hog got two of the same and still tried to run off. They are one of the funest animals I have hunted.
 
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Hi Martin: also hope to see you soon. I´ll try to forward some pictures to you in P.M. because I´m not used to post it. All I can say is that the innards were a bloody mess, and the pictures were too nasty to be shown to the family members... Big Grin
 
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I have completly torn off both shoulders and the pig ran 15-20 yards.


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a 150# pig, boar, ran over 100yards..

no right shoulder, no lungs, no heart... no right front leg AT ALL

hit with a 550 express, total removal "Stuff" between the ribs, and ran over 100 yards.

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Your experiences, do not mirrow mine, although there might be some reasons. First most of my shots have been on on relatively un-spooked hogs. They might have sensed somthing wrong, but were not in full flight already. Secondly, al were shot with a 150-165gn 7mm or 308 caliber at 2600-2800fps and under 200yds. Thirdly, all shots were heart/lung area and took out at least one feamor(not dhoulder blade). It would seem to me that your bullets might be too tough, or that you didn't break the leg in a way to break down the hog. None of this is a ctitisism, I'm looking for answeres to increase my knowledge. thanks, capt david troll


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Hi Martin: also hope to see you soon. I´ll try to forward some pictures to you in P.M. because I´m not used to post it. All I can say is that the innards were a bloody mess, and the pictures were too nasty to be shown to the family members... Big Grin


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CaptDavid: this is the first time that this thing happens to me. I shot the beastie from a blind which was 41 meters away (as per rangefinder) at a slight angle, breaking most ribs in the right side, taking away lungs, shredding the heart and breaking the opposite front leg. Once dressed we saw an exit hole the size of a golf ball or more. Frankly I still don´t understand it.
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Well, As they say sometimes 'Shit happens' capt david troll


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Of all the hogs I've shot--probably 80-90, only one has not been a bang-flop, DRT. That was a sow about 80 lbs that I shot at 110 yds that went bang-flop. I watched a minute or so, and turned to put binocs, water bottles, rangefinder, etc into the pack. When I turned back, she wasn't there. When I got to where she had been laying--no blood, just a few scuff marks in the dust. Never found a trace of her. I've shot hogs with everything from a .22 LR to a 7 Mag, with probably half of them using a .22-250 & 55 gr Ballistic Tips. Since it is always a case of brain/neck shots, they just don't go anywhere--oh, and no long shots, 150 yds max.


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of course, 300+ grains in the spine or ear works, too!! Smiler


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