There are those that would call this "hunting"

http://s842.photobucket.com/al...inigunonwildhogs.mp4

I can tell I'm getting old.
My first thought was not, gee, how cool, but rather, as a reloader, who paid for the couple thousand rounds of ammo.
Next thought, a guy with a lever gun with a ghost ring sight or even a "black rifle" with a red dot could have probably shot as many with 6 to 30 rounds. Not a very efficient use of resourses, but a fun stunt if on someone elses dime, but hunting, no way.

I have mixed emotions about this. The minigun is cool, but not so cool on game IMO. I know hogs are vermin to many and for good reason, but that is some fine pork and this isn't very sporting.....and talk about a waste of ammo. Didn't look like he hit anything.

I bet they were just released from a trap!!!

Kinda strange that they all came from behind the truck and from the same direction.

How many places are avaible where you can send that many rounds down range with out a backstop and now worry's about where the rounds land.

From a chopper with the sole purpose of thinning them out maybe and that would be a very big maybe at that.

JD

Yea, I'm not impressed.

Especially with his muzzle & trigger control.

'Bout all I can say is, "good thing that sumbit taint in the Stan!"

friar

That's "interesting" but definitely not my cup of tea. I prefer a simpler,more efficient approach...

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Originally posted by J D:
I bet they were just released from a trap!!!

Kinda strange that they all came from behind the truck and from the same direction.

How many places are avaible where you can send that many rounds down range with out a backstop and now worry's about where the rounds land.

From a chopper with the sole purpose of thinning them out maybe and that would be a very big maybe at that.

JD

That's the part that bothers me. I usually don't feel to strongly about hunting methods but releasing trapped hogs to make a video of it doesn't set well. Might as well call it 'A-pig-calypse Now".

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Originally posted by Bobby Tomek:
That's "interesting" but definitely not my cup of tea. I prefer a simpler,more efficient approach...

Me too, Bobby!

It would be cool to have a video on you-tube, or butt face, I will never be THAT cool.



At the first of the video, there are already some dead pigs laying in the field. I do beleive they were pushed out of a trap as where they all came into view.

Honestly, if were being done out of a helicopter in an area with a large hog infestation, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

This does appear that they are being turned outo of a cage or trailer though.

We hunt them a couple times of year out of the helos and that is exactly how pigs run when chased or driven. I have no problem with this...excepted they missed a lot of them. Obtaining explosives is tricky business, wish we could blow the lot of them up!

Perry

Personally I think its disguisting rather its would be hogs or deer or whatever. IMO he should be locked up for a few a couple months and lose his license to hunt for a minumum 5 to 10 years.

What a waste of ammo. A Mk19 could do it with fewer shots. Then again, a couple of rounds of Bofors 40mm from an AC-130 would probably do the trick even more efficiently.

An Old Indian saying about whites is that they declare war on wildlife. We wonder why people don't view us as the Great Conservationists/Sportsmen we profess to be.

Am I missing something here????
THEY ARE HOGS, FERAL HOGS! Giant rats, nothing more.

"Locked up for 5-10 years" for doing nothing illegal. Jarrod you are a true SOCIALIST!

Crazy Horse, could you sight for me the date when TP&W added hogs on the list of "wildlife"? Last I check they were listed as nuisance animals, in abudance. Quoting indians...geez, really. Conservationist CONSERVE the habitat and that would include removing feral animals. Would poison or large traps make you feel better about how you are viewed by those how do not approve of hunting to start out with?


Perry

What would make me feel better is if you would drop the histrionics and jump on everyone else's ass.

The saying I mentioned was made long before feral hogs were on the scene.

If I were the only one stating an objection to the video that would be one thing, but I am not.

I simply do not think that video does anything positive for the PUBLIC image of hunters.

As far as the poisoning or large scale trapping, neither of those would be put on You tube or anywhere else and NOBODY would call it hunting.

I do not have any problem with the videos of hogs being shot from a helicopter, not something I would want to do, but it does not bother me. If I was the only one that had an objection to the video your comments would not bother me. But you jumping on my ass simply because I agree with other folks about the inappropriateness of that particular video is !!!!!

And I will quote whomever I damn well please. That video is just wrong , PERIOD.

Since you seem to be some form of well of knowledge,ruminate on this right here fromthe TP&W website:

Exceptions: a hunting license is not required to hunt the following:

•Depredating feral hogs, if a landowner (resident or non-resident) or landowner's agent or lessee is taking feral hogs causing depredation on the landowner's land.

Since you seem so well versed on Texas Game Laws I am quite sure that you do understand, that unless a person meets the criteria parameters of the above quoted passage, copied directly from TP&W's website, they must have a Hunting License to shoot feral hogs, which identifies them as wildlife, not game animals, but wildlife.

A good example of spray and pray or the more lead in the air ..............

IMHO if he had thought a little bit more before or while pulling the trigger he might have hit more.

You could have killed more with a bolt action in 308.

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Originally posted by perry:
Am I missing something here????
THEY ARE HOGS, FERAL HOGS! Giant rats, nothing more.

Perry

I think I can safely say that I kill more hogs than most here on a regular basis, save for a select few, and while I agree that we are collectively being overrun by them, they are more to me than just rodents. For one, they taste better than rat (don't ask me how I know this), and frankly, if you are spotting and stalking them, they are tougher animals to hunt than our beloved whitetail. They are smarter (by a very large margin), and their nose is bionic in comparison.

So yes, we should kill as many as we can to attempt to control their prolific population growth (good luck with that), I still afford them more respect than other common "vermin."

But that's just me.

stunt,

looks like fun for a minute.

gotta practice something like that before you get good at it.

Respect for the pigs is not my problem with the situation.

As so many others on AR have said on several different threads, somethings that take place do not need to be posted on a Public Forum.

Plain and simple, I do not believe that video should have been posted for Public consumption, but it was.

Perry, out of all the other responces that were made by other members, you took issue with mine. Why don't you grow a set of nuts you pathetic little man and just put me on ignore if my responses bother you so damn much?

I notice you have not said anything since I posted the info from TP&W showing that Feral Hogs are wildlife and except for special circumstances a person has to have a hunting license to shoot them.

Why don't you kick your juvenile diarhea of the mouth into gear now?

Well,,, I certainly wouldn't call it hunting.
Just wanton killing IMO.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I also wouldn't go so far as to pass judgement on some one when I don't know all the facts, so again, "IMO it's just wanton killing". "Nothing more, nothing less".

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Respect for the pigs is not my problem with the situation.

As so many others on AR have said on several different threads, somethings that take place do not need to be posted on a Public Forum.

Plain and simple, I do not believe that video should have been posted for Public consumption, but it was.

Perry, out of all the other responces that were made by other members, you took issue with mine. Why don't you grow a set of nuts you pathetic little man and just put me on ignore if my responses bother you so damn much?

I notice you have not said anything since I posted the info from TP&W showing that Feral Hogs are wildlife and except for special circumstances a person has to have a hunting license to shoot them.

Why don't you kick your juvenile diarhea of the mouth into gear now?

Where to start.

I have not said anything because I have not been on the site. You should have looked at the members on-line list before you made THAT ignorant statement. I never said you could not quote whomever you like, I was just curious how you made the leap from buffulo, deer, etc, to ferel hogs. Also, being a Texan I would figure you would have an appreciation for the destruction these hogs do. Killing them by any means is a good thing.
Secondly, you associated the indian's saying to THIS PARTICULAR situation INVOLVING hogs so if it is out of context that fauxpaw is your's.
Lastley, the excerpt from TP&W agree's with my statement; they are not game animals, no set season, no regulations. No comparison to game animals or wildlife that is to be "wiped out by us whitemen".
For the record I am hardly juvenille or "nutless" and don't think I have ever been recorded here having diarhea of the mouth. Your "nutless" comment would lead me to believe you have the nasty mouth.


Perry

Stepping out to dinner now...not being "nutless" if there is no response until later

Gentlemen, let's not head down this road. Y'all can agree to disagree without personal insults -- this applies to everyone here.

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Originally posted by MyDogsHunt:
Well,,, I certainly wouldn't call it hunting.
Just wanton killing IMO.
Nothing more, nothing less.

So what is the difference between that and me and a mate out hunting Buffalo, see a mob of hogs on a flood plain, get as close as we can and then brass then mob up so all of them are dead ?

7 Hogs down in all different directions from 2 bolt action rifles in 15 - 20 seconds.

Is that wanton killing ? Because all we did was what he was doing but with different types of firearms.

(Yes, we did use the meat).

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Posted 08 July 2012 17:02Hide Post
Am I missing something here????
THEY ARE HOGS, FERAL HOGS! Giant rats, nothing more.

"Locked up for 5-10 years" for doing nothing illegal. Jarrod you are a true SOCIALIST!

Crazy Horse, could you sight for me the date when TP&W added hogs on the list of "wildlife"? Last I check they were listed as nuisance animals, in abudance. Quoting indians...geez, really. Conservationist CONSERVE the habitat and that would include removing feral animals. Would poison or large traps make you feel better about how you are viewed by those how do not approve of hunting to start out with?


Perry

So, you are telling me someone else posted the above for you or are there two users named Perry on here?

Looks to me like that is what you are saying right here.

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Where to start.

I have not said anything because I have not been on the site. You should have looked at the members on-line list before you made THAT ignorant statement.

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Crazy Horse, could you sight for me the date when TP&W added hogs on the list of "wildlife"?

Notice, you did not say Game Animals, you said WILDLIFE.

Perry, I was not the only Texan making a negative comment about the video, I am merely the one you decided to take to task. As far as the comment about Indians saying that the whites made war on wildlife, they were talking about any and all wildlife, not just deer or buffalo.

If you would have taken the time to really read the comments, including mine, you would have seen that my problem was not with the hogs being killed or the manner in which they were being killed but with that video being made Public and the way it negatively portrays hunters in general.

As you can clearly see, you were on the site, did make a comment and are now trying to deny it in front of everyone.

Put me on ignore I do not care, but to openly make a statement on the thread and then try to deny having posted anything is not going to be that easy to hide.

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So what is the difference between that and me and a mate out hunting Buffalo, see a mob of hogs on a flood plain, get as close as we can and then brass then mob up so all of them are dead ?

7 Hogs down in all different directions from 2 bolt action rifles in 15 - 20 seconds.

Is that wanton killing ? Because all we did was what he was doing but with different types of firearms.

Just exactly how many videos of that have you posted on the internet? Let me take a guess...... 4 or 5? Or did you post any videos of that on the internet?

What is so hard to understand that killing the hogs/how many hogs are killed/how the hogs are killed Is Not The Issue posting a video showing it being done and hearing folks in the background laughing, on the Internet, Is The Issue!

What is so hard to understand that if the video is unsettling or disgusting or however you want to describe it to Hunters how do you think the Public in general will respond to it. This has nothing really to do with anti-hunters, everything and anything we do is offensive to those people.

Why offend people that may not or do not have one thing against hunters, what is accomplished by offending people that can and do vote. That is a real simple question. Why alienate people that are not our enemies?

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

I notice you have not said anything since I posted the info from TP&W showing that Feral Hogs are wildlife and except for special circumstances a person has to have a hunting license to shoot them.

When I said "I was not on the site" I thought you would have remembered saying the above. I "said nothing else" because I was not here ALL AFTERNOON. You were implying that I was not going to comment because I was scared/wrong/intimidated, not the situation at all. I WAS NOT HERE.
Can I not take you and you alone to task????

Perry

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Gentlemen, let's not head down this road. Y'all can agree to disagree without personal insults -- this applies to everyone here.

No personal insults on my part! Please do not put me in the category of turning to insults from behind the keyboard.

Perry

CHC

I don't really see where anyone above is bothered by the video. Help me out here.

Perry

crazyhorse

Thanks.

Agree, sometimes we are better off not posting videos on the net as fuel for the anti's !

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It's long past time to end this discussion on all merits.
George

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I don't really see where anyone above is bothered by the video. Help me out here.

Perry can you go back and really read the responses that have been given?

That is what the whole thread is about the killing of the hogs and calling what was being done hunting are the minor issues.

Posting it on the internet and calling it a Hunting Video is the more important issue.

I really do not think that I am the only person on here that finds that clip objectionable and that it only casts hunters in a bad light.

If you do not think so, that is your perogative.

As for this,

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Can I not take you and you alone to task????

, yes you can and you will get the type response you got earlier.

If it just makes your day trying to pick a fight out of me, by all means don't let me spoil your idea of fun. I just really do not see what is gained by anyone having hunters fighting among themselves.

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It's long past time to end this discussion on all merits.
George

Why? Are we only suppopsed to address issues on here where everyone is in agreement? Somehow the sites I have visited that take that approach are not very active and are really boring, they are more like mutual admiration societies.

The Public image of hunters is under enough attacks the way it is, if that video goes viral, what will that do to our image. Shutting down discussions just because they get heated solves nothing. That anger and resentment just bleeds on to another discussion just like falling dominoes.

It would be great if all discussions on here could and would stay civil. It gets hard to do that when a person feels like they are being personally attacked. People respond in kind if they feel offended by the way another person responds to them. That is just human nature.

Calling what took place in the video hunting is wrong, all the laughing on the audio portion does not help the situation. The killing of the pigs and the manner it was done is objectional to some, but to me at least the video is the bigger problem.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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I don't really see where anyone above is bothered by the video. Help me out here.

Perry can you go back and really read the responses that have been given?

That is what the whole thread is about the killing of the hogs and calling what was being done hunting are the minor issues.

Posting it on the internet and calling it a Hunting Video is the more important issue.

I really do not think that I am the only person on here that finds that clip objectionable and that it only casts hunters in a bad light.

If you do not think so, that is your perogative.

As for this,

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Can I not take you and you alone to task????

, yes you can and you will get the type response you got earlier.

If it just makes your day trying to pick a fight out of me, by all means don't let me spoil your idea of fun. I just really do not see what is gained by anyone having hunters fighting among themselves.

I went back and re-read them all and you were the only one bothered by the video. The amount of ammo used, no safe back stop, i'm assuming disrespecting the animals by the socialist and poor trigger control were discussed. You brought up the video.
Any rational person that undersands the economics of land will immediately understand that hogs are harmful when in large numbers. I would assume that if they have a problem with the means to which they are taken they have preconcieved notions about hunting. I for one do not tip toe around conservation.

I'm not sure why your dander is up??? I did not pick a fight with you, I took you to task over your comments, specifically relating these hogs to desirable wildlife. I have a question. Who do you think I am? You spoke of me as a juvenile and my diarhea mouth. I think you may have me confused with someone else on this site.

Perry

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
[QUOTE]It's long past time to end this discussion on all merits.
George

It would be great if all discussions on here could and would stay civil. It gets hard to do that when a person feels like they are being personally attacked. People respond in kind if they feel offended by the way another person responds to them. That is just human nature.

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"grow a set of nut you pathetic little man" Those are your own words to me. The discussions will stay civil when people like you refrain from personally insulting statements. You are a hypocrit and part of the problem sir.

Perry

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Originally posted by 505G:

Agree, sometimes we are better off not posting videos on the net as fuel for the anti's !

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I agree that this does not paint a pretty picture of us as a whole. That said, the antis will take us to task anyway, no matter how we portray ourselves. Very unfortunate.

My personal choice, I would not do this. Anyone who wants to ought to be able to do it. I consider this one a "Canned" shooting, releasing pigs one a time for shooting. Just my opine.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:

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Originally posted by 505G:

Agree, sometimes we are better off not posting videos on the net as fuel for the anti's !

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I agree that this does not paint a pretty picture of us as a whole. That said, the antis will take us to task anyway, no matter how we portray ourselves. Very unfortunate.

My experience has been that people have their minds already made up about hunting. The anti's are obviously against us, I say us because the few I have talked with viewed me with contempt from the start of the conversation. The discussions revolved around the hunters not the act of hunting, very personal, which makes sense. If they base their objection in fact it is refuted immediately. Here in the south I have never met a person who hasn't already "thought" about hunting. I approach each conversation about hunting with this conclusion in mind. I'll adress the issues with fact. The anti's dont care and most who are indifferent agree when presented with the truth.

As to this discussion. I bow hunt so I like having some hogs around but even doing 2 helo hunts a year we are still over run in a matter of months. If people want to post videos of mini gunning released hogs...great. What I took away from it was you would be better served to shoot them with a should fired rifle. As to the ethics of it. I try to kill everything with as little suffering as possible, humanely. 6,000 rds/minute is pretty humane, at 1/4 of a second those hogs go hit with 25 bullets immediately!

On a side note. I apologize to any of y'all that had to run through CHC and I's discussion turning personal.

Perry

Perry, never claimed not to be a hypocrit. No, I should not have made the statement I did, but after all the times you have "decided " to take me to task over my opinions, it is hard for me to respond civilly to you.

Disagreeing with my opinions does not bother me. I do not expect everyone or anyone to agree with my observations. Attacking me or anyone else for having an opinion or having the opinion they have is very offensive.

The thing I wish everyone would take into consideration during discussions is that None of this has to do with Anti-Hunters. They are a malignancy they will not be eradicated.

What is important is not offending/alienating those folks in the middle of the road that have no gripe against hunters/hunting but that do vote.

Videos like this, especially for those folks in areas where feral hogs are not a problem, can/will have a negative impact toward hunters/hunting and the conceptions of what might actually be happening on our hunts. I can not believe that I am the only person that sees that.

My apologies to the membership for having the habit of saying what is on my mind even though it is not socially or civilly acceptable to some.

I do not apologise to you Perry, because this is your typical modus operandi, not matter the discussion or the subject, you go out of your way everytime to attack my opinion in one fashion or another. As long as you treat me like crap, I am going to respond in kind. As I have said before, if I am such a thorn in your side, put me on ignore. That will save everyone from seeing this type of discussion, pretty simple concept.

If you disagree with my opinion, just say so. I also have nothing against agreeing to disagree that saves a lot of time. It is when you attack me or my opinions that I have a problem.