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 This is why I like the various 6.5mms. Rarely is a blood trail needed, but when it is, those long, slender bullets at moderate velocities penetrate extremely well. I don't think I even bothered posting a photo of this hog I took a few months back, but I did take a digi snapshot of the blood trail where the 125-pound boar hesitated. (And I just found the file today...senility, you know  )I took him from about 160 yards using a 130 grain Accubond at 2626 fps MV from my MGM Contender barrel in 6.5 Bullberry IMP. The bullet took off the top of the heart and wrecked a good portion of the lungs before exiting. At the shot, the hog whirled, ran maybe 5 yards and stopped, walked another 5-6 steps and then collapsed. The picture of the blood is from where I believe the hog hesitated. As you can tell from the scene, his immediate travel plans were going to have to be rather abrupt. Not sure why I am posting this other than to perhaps say that it doesn't require a mega-caliber rig with 3/4-inch wide bullets to leave a good blood trail. Even those little 6.5s can do so... Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | ||
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It is possible that even I could track that hog...well I probably would need a little help... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I probably would have stepped in it and followed my own tracks in a big circle for an hour or two. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Mike--I recall one night in the cactus where you tracked a slim blood trail to the pig--and borrowed my pistol to finish him off--so don't sell yourself short on tracking.  An old pilot, not a bold pilot, aka "the pig murdering fool" | |||
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I remember that too... I also remember asking you for your stainless revolver and you handing it to me and then I looked and realized it was only a 22 mag. I immediately thought you should be kicked out of Texas because everything is supposed to be bigger in Texas...as in where in the hell is the 44 mag Then I realized that being from California I was probably viewed as expendable and that you and Jeffe were hoping you might have coyote and bobcat bait for later... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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LOL!!!! That's damn funny! Even I could follow that blood trail -- well, maybe! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Bobby, I know some are of another mind and don't want a bullet to exit......but I'm of the mind I like two holes, one going in and one coming out. After the first couple of years hunting in the hill country, I started transitioning to bullets like the Partitions, Barnes X , now triple shocks and Accubonds. If you have to track in thick stuff, it sure is nice to know where to start. Also, to a degree its a function of bullet placement. As to magnum calibers, once again its a matter of bullet placement and bullet type. The right bullet at the right spot...... 100+ lb. hog, 129 yds +/-, 85 gr. nosler partition, 240 weatherby. If I had had to track, at least I would know where to start. GWB  | |||
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 I hunt mostly in thick south Texas brush. I try for DRT CNS shots so I don't have to track. I have followed really poor blood trails through that brush, many times on my hands and knees. Two holes one in one out does allow for more leaking from the animal no questions about that. Founding member of the 7MM STW club Member of the Texas Cull Hunters Association | |||
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HRS, did you feed that guy a bowl of drano? Talk about a sore throat!!! GWB | |||
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I can beat that....... 180 grain Triple Shock in .300 win mag at 350 yards, in Florida two years ago. Unzipped it and it still ran off -- what was that about hogs not being so tough??   "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I apologize for the graphic nature of the photo I posted, but if it offends anyone, maybe they should take up crochet. Or may I suggest some testosterone supplements??  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Whitworth, crochet needles in the right hands can be pretty deadly. Your bullet waw definately tougher than that hog, Its amazing the tenacity and will to live of animails such as the hog in your photo. That why, like Harold Stephens, I try for CNS shots on hogs. GWB | |||
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No just a 140 grn Berger 7MM STW at 40 yards from a tripod 15 feet in the air. Pig was looking at me from out from under a mesquite tree. Bullet entered top of snout about half way from nose to eyes, angled out the throat. I think I got good expansion on the berger, you think? Founding member of the 7MM STW club Member of the Texas Cull Hunters Association | |||
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Have too agree about prefering a bullet to exit, makes things a "hole" lot easier No need to bleed that pig by the looks. I've been doing something wrong though, always tried to peice my victims back together so they look pretty for the pic. These photos are far more interesting. | |||
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There was no piecing that one together! Oddly enough, the unzipped piggy required a bullet in the head to finish him off -- that was after he ran, trailing his entrails......but hogs aren't really that tough(comment dripping in sarcasm )......."Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Bobby, I've a friend that calls me the "kill artist". I asked him why he uses that term. His reply was, "well when you draw, you draw blood". Looks like a pretty fine portrait you drew with your 6.5. GWB | |||
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Mike -- that particular tracking job was weird.. a "bloody footprint" the whole way ... cutting through prickly pears with a buck knife ... i wish we could do that again! Harry - Remember at the skipper, where i gutted the sow with the 416? Hit her just behind the shoulder, and the 416 blew up... dumping guts split from from sternum to tail!! and she still ran, trangled in her guts, till i hit her behind the ear jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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