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Here's Guadalupe County-Seguin, east of San Antonio.   I've shot 3 and trapped 3 in the last 2 weeks about 400 yds from where these pics were taken. An old pilot, not a bold pilot, aka "the pig murdering fool" | |||
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On our place in east texas the hogs destroyed our hay field. I have shot them trapped them and I am still behind. To drive over a place where they have rooted I need to put the atv in 4wd. The pictures I saw on here don't do some of the damage justice. Okie Keep yer powder dry and yer knife sharp. | |||
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I'll second that. I am a responsible hunter with numerous references and it makes no difference. I have no sympathy whatsoever for anybody thinking they are going to get nigger-rich by having folks pay to help them. They have done this to themselves. Landowners are not owed anything by the federal govt for pests or varmints. To hell with federal subsidies as well. And before anyone says anything about slobs coming and tearing up property and or shooting livestock and equipment, there are way too many reputable hunters out there that are solely interested in taking hogs of all sizes, but cannot afford the ridiculous fees most want for the priviledge of helping them with their problems. I have been in Texas since 1986. My parents are both from Texas. One from a farming community, the other near east Texas oil fields. I understand the issues on both sides. I believe there is a middle ground, just not sure where. In answer to the Original Poster, yes Texas has a hog problem. It is also as much of a problem the landowners that do not irradicate them when they have an opportunity, place restrictions on how many and what size may be taken, and continue to propagate them. We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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I have not heard of any farmers collecting any type of subsidies for pig damage. I have heard some that have crop insurance and collecting for damages induced by feral pigs. If some of these farmers and ranchers have a serious problem, they should not mind to have some hunters come in to try and take as many as possible. Size, length of tusk and color should matter not. True Story as told by our county Game Warden a while back. A woman in the north part of the county contacted him last year,about this time, about her yard being destroyed by pigs. He went to take a look at it and showed me some of the pictures he had taken and yep, they had destroyed her landscaping. Up-rooted shrubs, plants and five freshly planted young trees. He called in a trapper who over a period of three weeks took over forty pigs from within one half mile of her house. Problem almost solved. About two months later, he received a bill from the nice lady for just over 6K dollars. New sod her front and back yard, all new shrubs, trees, flower beds and fence to keep future pigs out. The game warden went to her house one day and told her that it was not his fault that she had a pig problem and her answer was that "The pigs are wild animals and belong to the state of Texas, the animals that belong to the state of Texas tore up and severely damaged her property, she had it repaired to the condition it was before the ATTACK and she wanted to be fully reimbursed for the damages". I will not say where she was from, but, she is a transplant. (Too many daytime talk shows) The last I heard about this matter, it had been turned over to legal counsel. As far as the pictures posted, that is a scene far to common anymore. "We Don't Rent Pigs !" | |||
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I would shoot every pig I see, except I have been on too many places that impose restrictions AFTER you get on the property and there is some kind of non-refundable down payment. I once hunted a place where a sounder ran across the road infront of us and hid under a tree. I could have killed many of them, but someone in our party who had less than perfect luck was the only one allowed to shoot. Hello landowners creating the problem. Ya wants the pigs gone but ya don't wants me to kill as many as I can. I don't leave trash, shell casings, food wrappers, or gut piles. I just don't understand. As far as I am concerned, let the pigs tear up everything. My give a damn is busted. We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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Okay, just exactly what would you do with all those pigs you could kill if someone let you on their place to kill pigs? Say a land owner contacted you and said that you could come out and kill as many pigs as you wanted to shoot, and the only stipulation being that you could leave no gut piles and no carcasses on the property. Now just how many pigs would you want to shoot under those conditions for hunting the property? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Hey guys, in the words of the estimable Josey Wales, The buzzards gotta eat, same as the worms.  Best GWB | |||
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That is a fact. The coyotes will also gladly join in on the feast. Course, that brings up some other problems a land owner might not be happy with. Up here, the buzzards migrate out of the area during the winter, they are just now beginning to move back in, so depending on the time of year, the land owner could end up with lots of carcasses on the property, which would attract a lot of coyotes. Now personally, I ain't met very many land owners that are any happier with an abundance of coyotes than they are with too many pigs. Besides that the deer hunters in the area won't be real pleased with the effects a lot of coyotes will have on deer movement. I guess after the person shot all the pigs the land owner could let him stay over and shoot as many coyotes as he could and hope the buzzards move back in early to clean up the hogs and coyotes.  I was looking more at this right here however:
Now if a land owner made the offer as I stated it, All the pigs the person can shoot, but Cannot leave gut piles or carcasses on the property, how many pigs is anyone going to shoot and haul off? It would be great if there was an easy answer to the situation, but there simply isn't. Hunters want to hunt and are willing to pay reasonable rates. Land owners view pigs as a major problem, but they also view them as a source of income, throw in some of the commercial operators that do charge more than what should be reasonable, and don't forget the hunters coming in from places that don't have pigs and are willing to pay the high prices to hunt them and the vicious little circle just gets more vicious in my opinion. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Well CHC, I won't shoot a hog and let it lie. I just won't. I consider that a waste... I have butchered some pretty big boars over the years and have yet to find one that couldn't be eaten. I have even cooked them in their own lard trying to make them stink and haven't found one too rank to eat. Do they smell like boar? Maybe a bit. Do I taste it when I eat it? Not yet. And as for the gut piles, well, I figure if the buzzards and/or coyotes can get there quicker than the hogs, they can be my guest. But I definitely wouldn't want to carry the offal away to dispose of it somewhere else. | |||
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I don't know of any landowner's that require their hunters to carry off the gut piles, I was simply pointing out the mention of not leaving gut piles or trash. How many pigs are you willing to shoot and butcher if a land owner gave you carte blanch to shoot all of the pigs you wanted to? But unless I am misreading what some folks are saying, "Shoot EVERY Pig They Saw", there has to be some magic number where a person will stop shooting, simply because they cannot deal with that much meat. We have had people stop on the county road bordering one of the places I work on and shoot a half dozen pigs of varying sizes and not make any effort to retrieve ANY of them. My experience around here where I work and live, hogs are treated by the locals the same as coyotes are, shoot everyone you see and leave them laying where they fell. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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At our lease, all offal goes to one location. We shoot a ton of pigs, but we make every effort to find every one that is shot. It is very seldom that at a very minimum the backstraps and hinds don't get taken, especially if I'm there. It's hard to beat cilantro lime pulled pork or carnitas. Lately I've been taking fattier meats, trimming and cutting into chunks, take a tablespoon of beef bullion and a cup of water and put in a saucepan. Add say a couple teaspoons of chili powder, ground cumin, fresh ground pepper and oregano, 1/2 teaspoon of ground corriander, some chopped up anaheim pepper,a couple sprigs of cilantro and chipolte pepper and a clove of garlic. Heat to a boil. Pour over your chopped up pork. Cook in the crockpot for 7 to 10 hours on low. Makes for some fine taco stuffings or mix with eggs. Residue can be mixed with marinara sauce and pasta or add some Stubbs Sweet Heat bbq sauce and put on an onion roll. Or take a potato and do six minutes in the micro-wave. Then add your bbq pork mix, butter, chives and sharp cheddar cheese. Good enough to make you want to slap yo' daddy down. Best GWB | |||
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We do pretty much the same thing with all the leavings on the properties I work on. We have on e central butchering area and I haul all hides/guts/carcass parts to one area and the coyotes can clean up a lot of stuff really fast. Your recipe sounds good.   Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Trimmings from roast make great nachos. Had those today. Trimmed AFTER the roast is done, they are cut off, chopped and then sautéed in a bit of butter with green onion, garlic, ground comino, chili powder and a bit of salt. About 10-15 minutes of cook time will render the pieces quite tender. At that point, fresh cilantro is added and cooked another minute or 2. Cool for 10-15 minutes and drizzle liberally over Herdez chips. Add a few slices of fresh jalepenos, your favorite salsa and your favorite blend of shredded cheese and put into a 400 degree oven just long enough to melt the cheese. A few squeezes of fresh lime juice and a couple of scoops of sour cream as a topper complete the dish. You can do this in layers in you prefer. It’s not bad for “trimmings.” Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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Yes, Texas has a problem with wild pigs. I think a lot of it is the land owner's inability to accept any risk to manage it, as well as greedy land owners. In many cases a lack of education and real or imagined bad experiences influence these decisions. It is no different than our "illegal alien" problem. We all complain about our Mexican work force but we all look for Juan to work cheap and we could care less who is actually working in the kitchen of our favorite restaurant. Please spare me the lectures as I am going to speak in the general (majority) situations that I have seen. I am a displaced Texan that grew up on a ranch in Texas. Whenever we heard of a pig in the area we grabbed guns and dogs and killed it/them. We had no problem. Now days, unless it can be killed via text message or Xbox, these land owner's children will not be able to make it happen. I do not have access to land that I had in my youth but I have a lot more access to money. I have been on several paid deer and exotic hunts over the last few years in Texas and the first thing you hear while signing the worthless liability waiver is "Oh woe is me, the pigs and cost of corn are making me bankrupt." I always ask does he want me to assist with this problem while I am there. With no exception, they all whip out a price list: 100-120lbs is $XXX, 121-150 is $xxx, 151-180 is $xxx; SCI Gold Medal VIP NAACP Platinum is $XXXX; etc., etc. Then he climbs into his $50K cowboy cadillac and drives off into the sunset. You have a pig problem, Seriously!?!? Until I changed careers, I had access to helicopters, all the firepower and technology of the military as well as experienced personnel to run it. (Before it became a civilian business.) I went to numerous ranches in Texas trying to sell "training opportunities" and help out the rancher at the same time. All of these "poor patriots" were looking at profit first. More than one whipped out their price list per hog. In almost every case, it was considerably cheaper for me to deploy the unit. You have a pig problem, Seriously!?! I am not asking for a handout; it's your land; it's your rules. However, please do not tell me about your problems on your land if you are not open to solutions that may require a sacrifice on your part. | |||
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Before I could answer Crazyhorse's question, I would have to ask, "How many can the ranch hands, staff, friends, friends of friends, etc. eat?" I would KNOW that when I went, it would be as much or more work than fun. I have a hoist for the trailor hitch just for lifting and skinning. Knowing it would be a lot of work, I once told a landowner that I would bury the offals of the hogs I shot, if he wanted. His response was, "well then how will I know how much to charge you?" That was a half hour into the conversation and the first mention of a charge. Like others said, he really did not have a problem then. I was bringing my own corn as well. One of the issues I have is that I do not mind paying for shooting hogs, but I really want to shoot some smaller ones that I can get on my big smoker whole. But if the price is the same as a 100# hog, then why? Finally, I bet the other hogs get to the carcass and gut pile faster than the buzzards or coyotes do. The best hog hunt I had was sitting 50 yards off the camp "bone yard". I shot three with my muzzleloader as fast as I could reload it. Larry "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading" -- Thomas Jefferson | |||
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There in lies another of the nagging little problems, most areas where hogs do cause trouble, are rural areas and people living and working in those areas can and will only use or accept just so much free pork, same with deer meat or even fresh fish. American society even in rural areas has changed and not for the good All of these schemes have been tried, and in the long run hunters and land owners get tired of messing with begging folks to take fresh butchered meat. It seems to be a never ending cycle with no one being really interested in making any compromises. Some hunters want to be able to shoot pigs at reasonable prices or at no charge at all. Land owners want help with controlling pig numbers, while at the same time getting as much income as the market will bear. Some hunters are willing to pay the prices being charged no matter how it effects other hunters. I wished there was a reasonable solution that everyone could live with, but I just do not see that coming to pass. JMO. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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[quote]posted 25 March 2013 09:10Hide Post Yes, Texas has a problem with wild pigs. I think a lot of it is the land owner's inability to accept any risk to manage it, as well as greedy land owners. In many cases a lack of education and real or imagined bad experiences influence these decisions[/quote Let me point out something to the people that are posting here especially sf ranger.... Their is a huge difference being on a "paid deer" hunt and the hunting company saying how bad the pig problem and then wanting to charge you to shoot one of them,, that is a hunting operation and what the hell do you expect!!!! As a land owner, not a hunting operation I don't make a red cent of anything shot on my property,, are the pigs a problem? HELL YES,,,,are you going to hunt on my place,,HELL NO! I can't take the risk for people to hunt on my land, if I do, my insurance doesn't cover any liability issues. But the real problem is even if I said, come on down, I will let you hunt and take you around the place, etc. you drive in and for three days we don't see a single pig and then you really go,, these land owners are crazy, they say there is a problem but I didn't see a single pig the entire time I was there. As an example, my friend has a large ranch on the trinity river bottom near Palastine texas,, we spent the entire past weekend hunting hogs,, not a single pig seen,, one very nice bobcat but no pigs,, we even hunted very late into the night with thermal and night vision goggles, electric ATV's, etc. Nothing! But the entire place is torn up, the pastures look like a mine field, fresh pig scatt every where.. Pigs are a lot harder and smarter than people think. We normally get a few anytime we go. I guess I will just be unwilling to take the risk to manage the pigs,, I am not willing loose everything my family has worked for here in Texas since the 1800"s just to let someone try to kill a pig,,Bottom line, in this litigious society, anything goes wrong I get sued,, and yes I HAVE BEEN. I guess I will not complain anywhere about the pigs and stay a greedy land owner. It is so easy to mouth off when it isn't your past, present, and future on the line. And it is those that are always mouthing that that lead us to these "real or imagined" experiences that effect my decisions. you can make more money, you can not make more time | |||
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Hey, quitcher bitching. If you're so damn tired of it, there are 2 simple solutions; buy your own land or quit hunting on places that charge. Problem solved. I own some land with quite a few pigs on it. I occasionally let people hunt for free. OTOH, I don't bitch about pigs (mostly because I'm not a farmer) and have really gotten to the point in my life that I seldom shoot one unless I know specifically that someone wants it AND will process it, meaning they don't expect me to skin, clean and quarter it for them. I might take it to them, depending on circumstances. I can categorically state one thing, with few exceptions, the non-landowners in this thread who are bitching about how landowners treat them would NEVER be welcome on my land. To quote one of them, "my give a damn is busted." and that particularly applies to people who think that just because they SAY they are a responsible hunter that somehow I'm supposed to welcome them with open arms. What's my upside, they kill a few pigs that I could very likely kill as many myself without worrying about who or what gets shot. Needless to enumerate, the downside is substantial. Gun accidents happen all the time, but if one of them shoots someone on my place, the lawyers look FIRST for deep pockets. Guess who that would be? I just had 2 nice guys hunt on my place for free for a week. Killed a few shoats. Day after they are gone, I've got a dead 2 yr old longhorn bull that I was keeping because of his horns. Now, to be completely fair, I REALLY don't think they had anything to do with his death, but I'm not totally sure. I found him when he was fresh, less than 24 hrs after the hunters left, and there were no obvious wounds on the up side and I didn't want to go to the trouble of turning him over. It was too late for CPR. The point is if they hadn't of been there I'd know. Bull wasn't worth that much money, but for 5 days I've got people running around my place driving 4 wheelers, etc. Certainly with my permission, but it restricts my use of my land. I've done it before, and I may do it again, but it won't be often. Just as an example of not shooting much anymore, I didn't kill a HUMONGOUS sow last fall. Absolutely the biggest pig I've personally seen on foot. She would weigh 400 pounds if she weighed an ounce, and maybe more. Adam killed a weighed 280 pound sow a year or so back and she was a midget compared to this one. I drove over a rise and saw her a couple hundred yards down in a creek bottom along with about a dozen other pigs and sows. She made the other sows look like shoats. I backed back over the rise and called a guy to see if he wanted a big hog. Turns out he did. I get out and creep back up to edge of hill with faithful .300 WM and they're gone. She's still around but I haven't seen her since. I've worn ruts checking that creek bottom out.  xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Nobody, myself included has asked you to welcome anybody with open arms. Not that you would anyway. Secondly, I carry $5 million in public liability insurance. Before anyone can collect they had damn well be able to prove it was me beyond a shadow of a doubt. Not saying accidents can't happen. I do everything in my power to be a safe shooter/hunter. If I don't know whats behind it, I don't shoot. I also don't shoot at "sounds" or "shapes". One of the reasons I am partial to a particular brand of fragmenting ammo made in San Antonio- entry hole only, instant death. As far as disposal of pig parts, I bag 'em up and take 'em to the city landfill. Never had a complaint or problem disposing of stuff. I have hunted a few ranches that had central gutpile/bone yards. If that was common practice I comply. Many places don't, so I take care of it. I do infact own a tiny bit of land in another state. The last time I saw it there was so much litter it made me sick, and I swore to never leave anyone else's property in such a condition. I am in no way saying I'm perfect. Hell, lots of ya'll know the mistakes I've made. I just try very hard to leave places better than I found them in the hopes of getting invited back. In the past few years, I have picked up a few garbage bags of shells on a dove lease. Shells from shotguns I don't even own! I digress. This is not what this thread is about. The OP asked how bad is the pig problem in Texas. The pig problem in Texas is bad. It ain't gonna get solved anytime soon either. I do what I can whenever I can. 'Squatch We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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[I do what I can whenever I can. 'Squatch[/QUOTE] +1 10/4 on that Best, GWB | |||
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Thanks Geedubya. It ain't easy. Nothing worth doing ever is. We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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Yep, the problem in Texas with feral pigs is worse than when I started this thread. Pigs multiply at alarming rates and nothing is being done to try and curb the population boom. It appears that as hunters, we have the ability to take a lot of pigs, we won't stop the explosion of piglets but can curb their expansion somewhat. I have gone to extra lengths to find anyone to take the meat. I have gone as far as skin them and quarter them but the rest is up to the recipient. If I can't find a home for the meat, it goes to the coyotes, buzzards and bugs. Last spring on a pig shoot near Abilene, the landowner called a local church about the pigs we had taken and had three guys there in less than an hour to pick up the meat. We used to have a locker plant close that would process pigs and distribute the meat to those in need. They closed a couple of years ago though, just closed the doors and walked away after 55 years in business. They were good folks. Food for thought. I had not realized that there were so many landowners, be it farmers or ranchers, that want to charge large fees for shooting pigs then want to charge extra for " TROPHY FEES", let them keep their pigs. I don't mind paying to hunt on private property, but I don't recall the Boone and Crocket Club accepting wild feral pigs, yet. Like most of us, I will go the extra length to pick up any trash, whether it is a plastic bag just passing through or a beer can thrown in a wash. I am sure the majority of us do the same. A little extra goes a long way with some landowners. Yesterday I went to check on my friends feeders and see what he had on his cameras. Saw the landowner out feeding cows and talked with him for a while. He knows that all the pigs won't get shot but hopes some steady hunting pressure will keep them at bay, somewhat, make it lees appealing to the pigs. He is going to take me to another of his rented property's he farms today to show me what has happened there in the past two weeks with the pig problem, he told me I will be shocked to see the damage. I understand the liability issues with some landowners but I can not see the high prices for shooting pigs, if they have a genuine problem. Makes one wonder if they have had an issue in the past or just a hear say issue from another landowner. Lord knows that those guys don't gossip, too much.........(those I know around here are worse than widow women) From reading the above post, it is hard to pick up on any one solution for the pig problem, but in my humble opinion, there has to be a great deal of trust between the landowner AND hunters. I doubt that we will ever be able to completely get rid of the pigs, but at least in some areas where we do our parts (Thanks GW) we can slow the population boom down a bit. "We Don't Rent Pigs !" | |||
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I've lived in Texas a couple of different time. Nice people, great state pride, but they know how to make money. I'm not saying they're greedy, in fact I admire their initiative, but none of them will give something away if they think they can get someone to pay for it, and I don't blame them. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I completely understand Gatogordo's points. I did some work on and off for a fellow for four years before he let me hunt on his land. But, he was close enough that I could. I got to know his kids, everyone that worked for him on the ranch, and it still took four years. Why??? Because the jackass "hunter" before me was caught moving his cattle with a shotgun. WTF? He had not given permission for anyone for fourteen years before I finally got it. I completely understand it. I am just glad he did. Have I had accidents on his land, sure. I broke an ankle trailing a wounded deer in the creek bottom. (Isn't that where they always go?) Could have been worse. Would I ever dream of sueuing the guy, hell no. I had the accident. It is just a shame that those hunters who would be good guests and stewards of the property do not stand a chance against the idiots that make all people that knock on the door look like a liability. And also as Gato said, for now I will pay until I can buy land in Texas. There is a LOT of it for sale now. It is a shame that I see how much is for sale between Cleburn and Austin on 281, when I visit my in-laws. I feel sorry for them. Larry "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading" -- Thomas Jefferson | |||
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That statement in and of itself describes the major part of why it is hard to get permission to hunt.
The above statement also shows one of the parameters as to why landowners don't just openly invite hunters on to their property. Just because some folks are not willing to pay for the chance to shoot hogs, enough are willing to pay, that free hunting for feral pigs, no matter how big a problem pigs are, will never be a sure thing. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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+1 I lived on a ranch in north Texas for a while. The ranch produced the 1st Halter-Broke mature female Longhorn to reach 200 show points. Very few people if any were allowed to hunt without the owned being present. It took me a while to prove myself even though the landowner and I had been friends for several years. Still are. I understand all too well the responsibilities and liability assumed by the landowners. Will I pay to kill pigs? Sometimes, if not a ridiculous fee. Also if it is a get together of my fellow AccRel buddies the camaraderie is woth the $$. By the way guys-and you know who you are-it has been too long since we got together for some pig whacking. What gives? Andy We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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Dallas has them. http://thescoopblog.dallasnews...he-city-limits.html/ , but they've got restrictions. Hog hunting must be popular. I checked on a hunt a few months ago, and they told me they booked into 2014. My problem is that I don't seem to catch them in daylight. Cameras catch them about midnight. I don't own land, but remember the good old days when I hunted mule deer on the Hart Ranch near Van Horn. (Clayton Williams owns it now.) Mrs. Hart allowed us to take an Aoudad ram for free each year. That came to a halt when one of the Denver Broncos, on a mule deer bow hunt, mentioned to her that they were going for about $1,000 at the time. A land owner doesn't owe me anything. Land is his asset, and if he can generate income from it, I'm happy for him. If he wants to enjoy it all to himself, go for it. I suspect I would be the same way. My brother has a place near Dime Box. He has hogs, deer, coyote. I haven't asked to hunt his place. I wouldn't feel right about it. He's not a hunter, and I suspect he likes his place just the way it is. | |||
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There is also another side to this story. There are folks offering reasonably priced hunts, but simply are not going to allow people to shoot everything in sight. Land owners/guides-outfitters, willingly offer bargain priced hunts for folks wanting to shoot a pig or two. Very few if any land owners are willing to allow anyone the ability to kill all the hogs they see. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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That statement plays straight into some of the other posters' gripes. You can't have it both ways: you can't complain about feral hog depredation and then charge for someone to kill the hogs while telling them "well, you can't shoot them all". That is talking out of both sides of your mouth, and we all know it. There is absolutely NO guarantee that a hog left alone is going to return to a feeder. They probably will but as far as they range in a night to find food, there is no slam dunk! | |||
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No, it is not talking out of both sides of anyone's mouth. Under normal circumstances, shooting pigs, a hunter is only going to be able to kill "X" number of animals. What is accomplished by letting a shooter just fire into a group of pigs, with no effort being made to recover and process those hit? Why shouldn't a land owner be able to expect a little compensation for allowing hunters on his/her land? Doubless, do you own land and if so do you just allow whoever on it to kill hogs? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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You make a lot of unsupported assumptions, CHC. If the landowner wants the hogs off his property because they are tearing up the land, why should he care if they run off and die? However, I never said that; matter of fact, if you will scroll back up this thread, I made the statement earlier that I won't waste game. Even the guys that kill them out of choppers have crews on the ground that pick them up and distribute the meat. And regardless of what you say, complaining about them tearing up the land and then telling a hunter he can only shoot three of them for his $XXX fee is talking out of both sides of your mouth. You either want them off your land because they are tearing up the place, or you look at them as a money crop and put up with the depredation. I don't understand your thought process... | |||
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Careful LazyHorse about asking if he owns land.Remember that you dont own shit except except your desktop and life through internet forums
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Doubless, lots of folks shoot hogs and let them lay where they fall, including the folks hunting from helicopters. Just exactly how many pigs, regardless of size would YOU shoot and butcher? When we book hunters, we want to try and make sure that they will not just shoot every pig they see, regardless of whether they think they can recover it or not. Tell me what is wrong with that? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I would retrieve everything I shot, assuming I hold up my end of the bargain. I would take at least six, maybe more, depending on size. Right now I am fighting cancer, and chemo has my stamina down somewhat. A big hog is a chore to clean, but if I kill it, I will retrieve and process it. To not do so is a waste... I guess I was just raised differently. Additionally, I know too many folks that love wild pork. The only thing wrong with not allowing a crew of hunters to shoot every pig they see is conditional: if the landowner is bitching about damage from ferals, then the hunt crew should be able to kill anything and everything they want. The expectation is that every animal is retrieved and the shot to be taken is to do all you can to make that happen. But a lost hog is not like a lost trophy whitetail, for obvious reasons. Have you completely forgotten that hogs are an invasive species? They are no different from kudzu, fire ants, grass carp, nutria, or a bunch of other blights on the US landscape. Why are they treated as a bonus on a deer lease? I suspect the folks you work for are like the majority of landowners: they see hogs as additional income. Heaven forbid somebody kill them all! They want it both ways: they want the income from the hog hunters and want to be able to claim damage due to hog depredation and get money from the government. It doesn't work that way. | |||
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Yes Sir, we look at hogs as an additional income, and while we do have fairly good numbers of hogs, we really do not have enough for them to be an actual problem. You say that you could handle 6 hogs, how many other folks are there that would shoot 6 hogs if they could and attempt to process those animals? Over the past 60 days or so we have had one group of hunters from Colorado hunt with us twice and a group from Nebraska hunt with us one time. Both groups have been hunting with us annually for the past 4 years. They kill pigs every time they hunt with us, but they are not able to kill all of the pigs they see, because they like the meat and want to take it home. There are folks that simply want to shoot hogs and are not interested in salvaging ANY meat. How is a land owner to know what the intentions of the hunter are? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Again, how many pigs can an individual hunter process and take home?????? What is not understandable about that? A hunter could shoot 20 pigs, how many of those pigs will the hunter process and take home? Doubless, just exactly how many 100 pound plus hogs would you shoot and try to butcher? How many hogs would you shoot and just leave laying where they fell, or gut shoot them and make no effort to recover them? As you are formulating an answer for that, PLEASE keep in mind that not EVERYONE views the situation as you do. A lot of folks will shoot every pig they see, yet might only process one a year or every six months. For every pig they kill, they might shoot a half dozen or more animals. For the farmer/rancher/land owner, feral hogs have proven to be an additional source of income. Why would these individuals want to have folk come on to their property and destroy that little source of income. Please list examples of folks that knowingly turn down or destroy a source of added income in their life with little or no outlay. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Lazyhorse you keep saying WE like you own even a postage stamp size piece of land.Quit beating this guy up about what he has to say. He said he quit because you are so stupid that you dont want to hear his reason.Do you know that when you walk out of the store in Onley that they all laugh at you? | |||
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