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need scope help for a new Ruger Craig Boddington Edition #1 in 7x57. The rifle is compact and would like to keep it light as possible. Narrowed my choices to: Leupold VX-3 1.5-5x20 Nikon Monarch African 1.5-4x20 Nikon Monarch 2.5-8x32 Zeiss 2.5-8x32 | ||
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of those options I'd take the Zeiss. A very valid alternative is the Leupold Compact series. Regards, Robert ****************************** H4350! It stays crunchy in milk longer! | |||
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I don't like 20 mm objectives for anything other than daylight dangerous game hunting (which I haven't done and almost certainly won't, so, in short, I don't like 20mm objectives and I have used a Leupie in one fairly extensively), so, of your listed choices, without question, I'd take the Zeiss or possibly, if it suits you, a Luepie 1.75-6x32 or the Leupie 2.5-8x36 are both excellent other scopes to consider. Just for example the 2.5-8x36 is smaller and lighter than the Zeiss in every dimension except the objective diameter which is .2 larger. Leupie wt 11.4 oz, Zeiss Conquest 12.2 oz, length Leupie 11.4 inches, ZC 13.75 inches. You're getting slightly better glass with the Zeiss but you're getting a bigger objective and lighter with the Leupie, your call. FWIW many PHs who use their scopes for their livelihood everyday love the Leupie 2.5-8x36. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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PS: I'm not trying to get in a pissing match about this, but my experience with the compact Leupies has not been all that wonderful, to gain a small amount in less wt and size, you give up way too much in optical ability to suit me. JMNSHO. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Jeeze Gato after all the previous posts this one almost sounds like Stonecreek. I agree completely btw. | |||
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I'm injured, if not fatally........ ........the difference is that on optics Stonecreek is like the broken clock, even it's right twice a day. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Yea but I've been fascinated by the repartee. Two guys that both obviously know quite a bit about a subject generally come up with completely opposite conclusions. | |||
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The honest differences are that Stonecreek has almost ZERO real time experience with Euro scopes and holds a lot of prejudices against them based on wrong information based on those minimal experiences. OTOH, I own and use every major brand of scopes, usually multiple examples, and many minor brands. I don't own many really cheap scopes because you usually get more or less what you pay for in optics. I don't know how many scopes I own but it is in the high dozens at least. I'm not an optical engineer, but I have slept at Holiday Inns or somewhere close...... His famous "eyebox" comparison is one, just for fun, I compared the eyebox on a Leupold with that of a Kahles, guess which won? Hint: first letter is closer to start of alphabet. OTOH, Stonecreek and I have an ongoing online friendship which I value greatly. Our disagreements, in spite of his optical ignorance , are purely in fun. AFA as my recommending Leupies above, they are excellent scopes, especially at their price point, and have many good features. Like anything, it just depends on what you value most......most people don't need, or want, the very small differences in optical performance that you get for a lot more money (Zeiss Conquests are an exception, where you get a slightly better scope IN SOME RESPECTS for a bit more money)........that said, for some people in optics, the old quote, paraphrased, comes to mind, "I want very little. I only want the very best and there is so little of that." xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I guess you made my point in that you get a little better optics for a lot more money with the Euros. To me it just hasn't been worth it for riflescopes. Binoculars are a different matter. I'll have to try a Zeiss Conquest scope sometime, but I can't see me buying a Kahle or Swarovski scope anytime soon. | |||
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For my hunting in the swamps up here, I use a fixed 4x Zeiss Conquest and a fixed 4x S&B on my 7x57's. I'm not a variable fan for big game hunting rifles. For target and varmints, I do use variables. | |||
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I'm pretty much a Leupold user all the way and don't find them lacking. The UltraLite 2.5 w/ German No.1 (3 pointed post arrangement) is compact and in brush/swamps, etc., very easy to pick up even in shaded/dark background and does well for close in/snap shooting situations. Odds are good that if you miss the shot it is not the scope or rifles fault. | |||
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I had Leupolds VXII 1-4 on my Ruger M77 in 7x57 for many years.It was a great combination.I might switch it back. | |||
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