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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
I have been lusting after one

https://www.blaser.de/en/produ.../blaser-28-20x50-ic/

Mike

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Originally posted by sambarman338:
Lets hope the scope is more dependable than some of the figures in their spec. sheet.

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
It's always a good idea to be the first guy to own an overpriced, unproven aiming device from a company who doesn't know diddly crap about optics. You need to get off the couch more often and quit reading so much propaganda. Like I said, this is par for you though.

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
It's always a good idea to be the first guy to own an overpriced, unproven aiming device from a company who doesn't know diddly crap about optics. You need to get off the couch more often and quit reading so much propaganda. Like I said, this is par for you though.

Seriously what have you done in life to make you an expert on optics? Any experience in optics or optical engineering? Any professional or educational technical expertise in anything optical ?

I like to know how people get such strong opinions on stuff in life. Hopefully with some expertise - so what is your expertise ?

Mike

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Originally posted by JGRaider:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
It's always a good idea to be the first guy to own an overpriced, unproven aiming device from a company who doesn't know diddly crap about optics. You need to get off the couch more often and quit reading so much propaganda. Like I said, this is par for you though.

Seriously what have you done in life to make you an expert on optics? Any experience in optics or optical engineering? Any professional or educational technical expertise in anything optical ?

I like to know how people get such strong opinions on stuff in life. Hopefully with some expertise - so what is your expertise ?

Mike

Experience, as part of G&O programs and in the field testing for over 20 years. Opinion based on use, not reading about it. You're obviously the latter. Many companies have struggled mightily bring a reliable, functional 8x erector to production, including March, S&B, and until very recently Nightforce, who makes the most reliable scopes in the world, bar none. For some nobody in the optics world (Blaser), who has someone else make their products, and to tackle this monumental configuration, is, well, a joke. The biggest joke is the price.

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
It's easy to figure who the blowhards are, the non players, the wannabe's, the one's with little actual experience, the pretenders, etc. You qualify.

You remind me of this wealthy dufus From Pennsylvania who showed up in aoudad camp one year. He couldn't wait to show us his brand new Blaser rifle topped with a S&B Klassik, about $10,000 worth. At the end of day 4 his gear looked like a herd of pitbulls had played tug o war with it....scratched and gouged unmecifully. He wasn't quite so proud of it then. He actually had me kill the sheep for him on day 5 so he could take his hero shot with it.

I've worked with 7 different optics companies, two university degrees, semi-professional basis, may qualify as an expert but not sure. I leave that lawyer BS to bottomfeeding scum lawyers to figure out. BTW, S&B has miniscule market share , and Blaser will have less. Most of S&B's non IL reticles suck in low light, but you find that out by actually looking through them and using them.

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:


Which 7 different companies? Swaro, Zeiss, Leupold, Vortex, Meopta, Athlon, Leica. Leica USA was a joke, and Meopta is cream of the crop.

What is a semi professional optics expert - like a part time expert. No

What is all this university degrees in - art history or optical engineering. No

All these terms you claim to throw around like G&0 programs are all referred back to your own internet posts on other forums. That is high suspect - industry testing terms that only you refer to. That's your problem, as you asked, and I answered. Just because it's suspect to you doesn't make it untrue.

Do you have any patents in anything optics related ? NO

Companies and individuals that have built multi-million dollars business and been on the optics business for decades are dismissed. Not dismissed entirely, but largely irrelevant nowadays is S&B.

All we get is stories about being in hunting camp. Hundreds of them.

Is there any meat on the bone of this claim of great knowledge of optics is what I am trying to figure out. All I get is stories of being in hunting camp. What specifically do you want to know about a particular optic and I'll see if I can help you.

Mike

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Originally posted by JGRaider:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:


Which 7 different companies? Swaro, Zeiss, Leupold, Vortex, Meopta, Athlon, Leica. Leica USA was a joke, and Meopta is cream of the crop.

What is a semi professional optics expert - like a part time expert. No

What is all this university degrees in - art history or optical engineering. No

All these terms you claim to throw around like G&0 programs are all referred back to your own internet posts on other forums. That is high suspect - industry testing terms that only you refer to. That's your problem, as you asked, and I answered. Just because it's suspect to you doesn't make it untrue.

Do you have any patents in anything optics related ? NO

Companies and individuals that have built multi-million dollars business and been on the optics business for decades are dismissed. Not dismissed entirely, but largely irrelevant nowadays is S&B.

All we get is stories about being in hunting camp. Hundreds of them.

Is there any meat on the bone of this claim of great knowledge of optics is what I am trying to figure out. All I get is stories of being in hunting camp. What specifically do you want to know about a particular optic and I'll see if I can help you.

Mike

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
I never claimed to have his expertise. What I did claim is that S&B products are largely irrelevant in today's USA market. They could vanish from the face of the earth and nobody would notice or care. And yes, I did test rather extensively either through a few "gimmes/prepoduction" samples, or optics that I bought.

Here's something else to clue you in on. I've been hunting whitetails for 21 years up in the far N TX Panhandle. The premier sniper/LR shooting instructor on the planet lives in the nearby town. He trains elite forces from all over the world, and he brings them over to shoot prarie dogs on the place we hunt because the ranch foreman and he are great buddies. I've gotten to know him as well (Google Todd Hodnett). His knowledge of ballistics, shooting, and everything optics is off the charts. He's been a good source, quite obviously. In short, I've had good instruction.

Another fella who lives there happens to be the most accomplished LR shooter in history (Google David Tubb). His knowledge is mind boggling as well. These guys have forgotten more than 99% of hunters and shooter will ever know. I also had over 150 hunters in various camps before I got tired of doing it. These guys could and did hunt all over the world, could buy whatever equipment they wanted, etc. Most were very accomplished, sometimes a dufus like the aoudad hunter would show up. I got to test, use, watch, etc most every brand of high end optic made, including some "alpha" glass that I own, as well as mid grade stuff.

So, my learning/experience comes from actual field time with professionals who have no peer, guiding hunters for years, and hunting myself every year since 1971 and culling/killing over 300 big game animals with various equipment and seeing at least that many get killed. Field time, optics on tripods side by side, rifles side by side, comparing reticles in poor light, etc, not from spec sheets or internet websites. Whether that meets your criteria of "experience" is really irrelevant to me, but I'm sure it exceeds your resume by light years.

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
It's always a good idea to be the first guy to own an overpriced, unproven aiming device from a company who doesn't know diddly crap about optics. You need to get off the couch more often and quit reading so much propaganda. Like I said, this is par for you though.