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I was just e mailed an SCI survey. I was shocked. I gave them an ear full on their last 2 questions. We have to give SCI credit. At least they did it. | ||
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Sending the survey is easy . . . reading it is something altogether different. I did the same thing. Mike | |||
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I must not be one of the cool kids. Jeff | |||
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I also gave them an earful. What the hell are they thinking with some of the things that they are thinking of doing, and want our opinion on? | |||
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While our rights as hunters continue to be nibbled away at they want to know whether we want an SCI credit card or auto insurance through SCI? At least, as Larry points out, they did a survey. Good grief. Mike | |||
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Mine is done, my main focus is on hunters rights, not insurance, credit cards, awards, or records. I think I got my point across. | |||
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I did find it a little ironic this popped on Survey Monkey after completing the survey. I am sure it is related to an anti-hunting group.
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Yes, someone should point that one out to SCI as well. Makes you want to puke a second time. (First time with some of the things that they are thinking of doing) | |||
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I guess I wasn't that emphatic in my reply, but I share the (so far) group responses on it. As to survey monkey, they plug in what the topic is and attach other surveys if you are interested. All the ones I have gotten before are related to medical stuff as all the survey monkey stuff I have done is work related. | |||
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SCI knows about the solicitation of donations. | |||
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I noticed that the ill-conceived notion of an SCI booking agency also crept into the survey. That idea is not dead by a long shot. Mike | |||
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Sorry to say it was mostly a marketing survey. The poor sot that gets to read my comments is going to sting a little though. Thanks for posting the link Larry. Jeff | |||
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Booking agency, tag application process, auto insurance, credit card . . . . . . . . . . .  When will they ever learn or ever listen.  | |||
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Don't get too bent out of shape over the credit cards and auto insurance. It is a common way to raise money painlessly. MANY organizations do it. It is a far cry from having their own booking agency. | |||
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This the the perfect example why I exited SCI years ago and never looked back. I hope DSC does not evolve to this level as SCI has. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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People that sign up for those services through SCI create income sharing for that organization. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times. | |||
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+1 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Might be true, but SCI has never been very open where that money goes. The endless times we have asked them what have they done, especially in Africa, we never got a straight answer. And if oen does a google on that subject, one gets very little information! | |||
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I wonder if the credit card will build bonus points which can be used with their booking agency.  ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Clearly, the SCI needs money to foster conservation and pay the high-dollar lawyers to protect our gun and hunting rights. Thus, I'm not against "innovative" or "creative" means to keep the money flowing in...one cannot entirely depend upon donations, especially if the numbers of hunters in the World are declining. But, if this creative commercial approach is adopted, then the SCI MUST be totally transparent with their finances. If there's anything shady about their money dealings, then we are shooting ourselves in the feet supporting them. I will never support a sleazy operation. I hope the SCI understands this, otherwise they will be writing their own demise. | |||
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SCI being transparent with finances?? Or transparent with anything else for that matter?? You must be dreaming! | |||
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I did suggest that they need to move to election of their officers via individual member vote, rather than the byzantine election by chapter, which near as I can tell is so unaccountable who knows what is going on. | |||
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+2 Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Let me make a recommendation. Why not stop bitching about SCI here and fill out the survey. Tell SCI what you all really think. It might help. | |||
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When has SCI ever listened to its members?? | |||
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If one doesn't tell them , they have no chance of listening. I am not an SCI apologist. This survey is a monumental step. At least it is a start. | |||
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Well the survey is obviously a sampling of members as I don't know anyone who received it so far. As for the credit card issue......... who cares. It is certainly nothing I would partake in but some folks do. I am also curious as to whether all the people so horrified by it put up a stink with the beloved NRA about their credit card or the American Quarter Horse Association and the myriad of other orgs. that have gone this route to raise funds. As far as I am concerned this aspect of the thread is a whole lot of gum flapping about nothing unless you are going to black ball every other organization out there that does it and withdraw support from them as well. SCI makes lots of dumb mistakes but save the energy for the items that really DO deserve a negative response. ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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I agree with larry, fill it out and don't sweat the small stuff. I put some direct feelings down on mine. | |||
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I would agree....AND I gave them an ear full over a number of issues including the booking agency/tag service debacle. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Larry: You're a gentleman and I agree with what you post on AR. However SCI has been told many times by many members and they have shown over and over again they do not listen. Cheers, mate. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Which is one of the reasons that one of my recommendations was that they should consider terminating the paid permanent staff and hiring new staff that is more customer-focused and oriented.  Mike | |||
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Personally I don't mind if SCI is offering credit cards, selling insurance or SCI emblazoned bikinis but offering a booking service for hunts and other activities is in direct competition with its members. If they set this up it will personally impact Wendell, Aaron, myself and anyone else offering legitimate booking services. To me this is lunacy. Imagine how that might effect a safari operator not on the SCI preferred list if SCI has its own booking agency. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Yes, you would of thought the uproar it generated, when they tried to go ahead with this originally, would have been enough for them to scratch that ill conceived idea off the list of "new ideas to generate money". The staffers/executive who came up with this concept must be completely out to lunch. Nothing like biting the hand that feeds it. Surely any further attempts to implement a booking service would cause a huge backlash..... and deservedly so. I would hope that there are enough executive members with sufficient grey matter between the ears to prevent a suicidal move like that. ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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It may be a common way to raise money painlessly, but it is not painless for those of us who sell insurance for a living. I have had to deal with the NRA members who are led to believe the raising money for the NRA is more important than local agents. ...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men. -Edward, duke of York ". . . when a man has shot an elephant his life is full." ~John Alfred Jordan "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." Cicero - 55 BC "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand Cogito ergo venor- KPete “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.” ― Adam Smith - “Wealth of Nations” | |||
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Gentlemen: I also have a problem with the booking agency and some of the other things. That puts them in direct competition with the members, many of which exhibit . | |||
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Haven't opened my survey yet. The CC and insurance stuff sounds like someone said "we need to hire a marketing consultant." When a company or organization is bleeding, hire a "consultant" to open an artery. | |||
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SCI has never had any respect for its general membership - except to get as much money out of them as they can. They never listen to suggestions, they never answer questions. They live in their own little world full of little circles of self glorification! That is all SCI cares about right now. | |||
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Saeed: I told them that and a hell of a lot more in my response. | |||
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