SCI survey

28 April 2015, 23:46

MikeBurke

I did find it a little ironic this popped on Survey Monkey after completing the survey. I am sure it is related to an anti-hunting group.

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28 April 2015, 23:53

Use Enough Gun

Yes, someone should point that one out to SCI as well. Makes you want to puke a second time. (First time with some of the things that they are thinking of doing)

29 April 2015, 00:02

crbutler

I guess I wasn't that emphatic in my reply, but I share the (so far) group responses on it.

As to survey monkey, they plug in what the topic is and attach other surveys if you are interested. All the ones I have gotten before are related to medical stuff as all the survey monkey stuff I have done is work related.

29 April 2015, 00:09

larryshores

http://tracking.safariclub.org...C29EE72A90FEF614BCB&

Link to the survey

29 April 2015, 00:23

larryshores

SCI knows about the solicitation of donations.

29 April 2015, 00:24

MJines

I noticed that the ill-conceived notion of an SCI booking agency also crept into the survey. That idea is not dead by a long shot.

29 April 2015, 00:29

Bwana Bunduki

Sorry to say it was mostly a marketing survey. The poor sot that gets to read my comments is going to sting a little though.

Thanks for posting the link Larry.

Jeff

29 April 2015, 01:32

Use Enough Gun

Booking agency, tag application process, auto insurance, credit card . . . . . . . . . . .

When will they ever learn or ever listen.

29 April 2015, 02:04

larryshores

Don't get too bent out of shape over the credit cards and auto insurance. It is a common way to raise money painlessly. MANY organizations do it. It is a far cry from having their own booking agency.

29 April 2015, 02:15

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29 April 2015, 02:51

cal pappas

This the the perfect example why I exited SCI years ago and never looked back. I hope DSC does not evolve to this level as SCI has.
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29 April 2015, 05:25

boliep

quote:
Booking agency, tag application process, auto insurance, credit card

People that sign up for those services through SCI create income sharing for that organization.

29 April 2015, 06:16

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
This the the perfect example why I exited SCI years ago and never looked back. I hope DSC does not evolve to this level as SCI has.
Cal

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29 April 2015, 06:35

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by boliep:
quote:
Booking agency, tag application process, auto insurance, credit card

People that sign up for those services through SCI create income sharing for that organization.

Might be true, but SCI has never been very open where that money goes.

The endless times we have asked them what have they done, especially in Africa, we never got a straight answer.

And if oen does a google on that subject, one gets very little information!

29 April 2015, 07:55

Lhook7

I wonder if the credit card will build bonus points which can be used with their booking agency.

29 April 2015, 08:10

Ackley Improved User

Clearly, the SCI needs money to foster conservation and pay the high-dollar lawyers to protect our gun and hunting rights.

Thus, I'm not against "innovative" or "creative" means to keep the money flowing in...one cannot entirely depend upon donations, especially if the numbers of hunters in the World are declining.

But, if this creative commercial approach is adopted, then the SCI MUST be totally transparent with their finances.

If there's anything shady about their money dealings, then we are shooting ourselves in the feet supporting them. I will never support a sleazy operation.

I hope the SCI understands this, otherwise they will be writing their own demise.

29 April 2015, 08:27

Saeed

SCI being transparent with finances??

Or transparent with anything else for that matter??

You must be dreaming!

29 April 2015, 09:15

crbutler

I did suggest that they need to move to election of their officers via individual member vote, rather than the byzantine election by chapter, which near as I can tell is so unaccountable who knows what is going on.

29 April 2015, 18:28

jdollar

quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
This the the perfect example why I exited SCI years ago and never looked back. I hope DSC does not evolve to this level as SCI has.
Cal

29 April 2015, 18:33

larryshores

Let me make a recommendation. Why not stop bitching about SCI here and fill out the survey. Tell SCI what you all really think. It might help.

29 April 2015, 18:50

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
Let me make a recommendation. Why not stop bitching about SCI here and fill out the survey. Tell SCI what you all really think. It might help.

When has SCI ever listened to its members??

29 April 2015, 18:55

larryshores

If one doesn't tell them , they have no chance of listening.

I am not an SCI apologist. This survey is a monumental step. At least it is a start.

29 April 2015, 19:30

Skyline

Well the survey is obviously a sampling of members as I don't know anyone who received it so far.

As for the credit card issue......... who cares. It is certainly nothing I would partake in but some folks do. I am also curious as to whether all the people so horrified by it put up a stink with the beloved NRA about their credit card or the American Quarter Horse Association and the myriad of other orgs. that have gone this route to raise funds.

As far as I am concerned this aspect of the thread is a whole lot of gum flapping about nothing unless you are going to black ball every other organization out there that does it and withdraw support from them as well.

SCI makes lots of dumb mistakes but save the energy for the items that really DO deserve a negative response.

29 April 2015, 19:55

cessna

I agree with larry, fill it out and don't sweat the small stuff. I put some direct feelings down on mine.

29 April 2015, 20:25

BrettAKSCI

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
If one doesn't tell them , they have no chance of listening.

I am not an SCI apologist. This survey is a monumental step. At least it is a start.

I would agree....AND I gave them an ear full over a number of issues including the booking agency/tag service debacle.

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29 April 2015, 20:54

cal pappas

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
If one doesn't tell them , they have no chance of listening.

I am not an SCI apologist. This survey is a monumental step. At least it is a start.

Larry:
You're a gentleman and I agree with what you post on AR. However SCI has been told many times by many members and they have shown over and over again they do not listen.
Cheers, mate.
Cal

29 April 2015, 21:18

MJines

quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
If one doesn't tell them , they have no chance of listening.

I am not an SCI apologist. This survey is a monumental step. At least it is a start.

Larry:
You're a gentleman and I agree with what you post on AR. However SCI has been told many times by many members and they have shown over and over again they do not listen.
Cheers, mate.
Cal

Which is one of the reasons that one of my recommendations was that they should consider terminating the paid permanent staff and hiring new staff that is more customer-focused and oriented.

29 April 2015, 23:15

MARK H. YOUNG

Personally I don't mind if SCI is offering credit cards, selling insurance or SCI emblazoned bikinis but offering a booking service for hunts and other activities is in direct competition with its members. If they set this up it will personally impact Wendell, Aaron, myself and anyone else offering legitimate booking services. To me this is lunacy. Imagine how that might effect a safari operator not on the SCI preferred list if SCI has its own booking agency.

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30 April 2015, 00:03

Skyline

quote:
Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Personally I don't mind if SCI is offering credit cards, selling insurance or SCI emblazoned bikinis but offering a booking service for hunts and other activities is in direct competition with its members. If they set this up it will personally impact Wendell, Aaron, myself and anyone else offering legitimate booking services. To me this is lunacy. Imagine how that might effect a safari operator not on the SCI preferred list if SCI has its own booking agency.

Mark

Yes, you would of thought the uproar it generated, when they tried to go ahead with this originally, would have been enough for them to scratch that ill conceived idea off the list of "new ideas to generate money". The staffers/executive who came up with this concept must be completely out to lunch.

Nothing like biting the hand that feeds it. Surely any further attempts to implement a booking service would cause a huge backlash..... and deservedly so. I would hope that there are enough executive members with sufficient grey matter between the ears to prevent a suicidal move like that.

30 April 2015, 00:24

twoseventy

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
Don't get too bent out of shape over the credit cards and auto insurance. It is a common way to raise money painlessly. MANY organizations do it. It is a far cry from having their own booking agency.

It may be a common way to raise money painlessly, but it is not painless for those of us who sell insurance for a living. I have had to deal with the NRA members who are led to believe the raising money for the NRA is more important than local agents.

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30 April 2015, 04:17

larryshores

Gentlemen:

I also have a problem with the booking agency and some of the other things. That puts them in direct competition with the members, many of which exhibit .

30 April 2015, 05:45

Cazador humilde

Haven't opened my survey yet. The CC and insurance stuff sounds like someone said "we need to hire a marketing consultant."

When a company or organization is bleeding, hire a "consultant" to open an artery.

30 April 2015, 07:17

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by Skyline:
quote:
Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Personally I don't mind if SCI is offering credit cards, selling insurance or SCI emblazoned bikinis but offering a booking service for hunts and other activities is in direct competition with its members. If they set this up it will personally impact Wendell, Aaron, myself and anyone else offering legitimate booking services. To me this is lunacy. Imagine how that might effect a safari operator not on the SCI preferred list if SCI has its own booking agency.

Mark

Yes, you would of thought the uproar it generated, when they tried to go ahead with this originally, would have been enough for them to scratch that ill conceived idea off the list of "new ideas to generate money". The staffers/executive who came up with this concept must be completely out to lunch.

Nothing like biting the hand that feeds it. Surely any further attempts to implement a booking service would cause a huge backlash..... and deservedly so. I would hope that there are enough executive members with sufficient grey matter between the ears to prevent a suicidal move like that.

SCI has never had any respect for its general membership - except to get as much money out of them as they can.

They never listen to suggestions, they never answer questions.

They live in their own little world full of little circles of self glorification!

That is all SCI cares about right now.