2014 will be my first time attending...about when do they post the exhibitor list w/ booth numbers & related info on their website? or is there a seperate website? Thanks.

Let me be the 1st to welcome you to our DSC conv.
If you are a member & receive the Game Trails magazine then you will receive a conv. copy in mid to late Dec. with all the info on exhibitors & a map of the booths to use.
There will also be bags at the door with maps & booth info for attendees.
Not sure about the website since I've never checked it for this info.

Joe, if you're interested, we hold a dinner on Friday night for AR members at a local restaurant, and then an informal hospitality get-together in the Comfort Inn on Stemmons Blvd on Saturday night.

It's on the web site now. Under convention, then exhibitor info.

There is a .PDF list at the link on this page:

http://biggame.org/convention/exhibitor-information/

bwana - Just wondering what position you hold in DSC?

Larry Sellers
SCI (International) Life Member

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Originally posted by bwana cecil:
Let me be the 1st to welcome you to our DSC conv.
If you are a member & receive the Game Trails magazine then you will receive a conv. copy in mid to late Dec. with all the info on exhibitors & a map of the booths to use.
There will also be bags at the door with maps & booth info for attendees.
Not sure about the website since I've never checked it for this info.

Larry,
Bwana Cecil's position is gopher trainee it seams he is the longest standing member at this position. something about limited abilities

We have two organizations that claim to be for hunters.

SCI and DSC.

SCI is an enormous juggernaut that has lost its direction. It is lead by a few who only care about their position, and their close friends whose only claim to being hunters is that sick and totally unethical behavior of "MINE IS BIGGER THAN YOURS".

Anyone wants to bet how many of those TOP SCORING SCI so called "trophies" have been gotten by shady means?

Apart from a few will connected individuals, you will not hear anything nice being said about SCI.

DSC is on another level altogether.

I know now why they got sick of SCI and started their own.

From the welcoming attitude of the organizers of the show, to the large number of volunteers who help those coming to the show.

SCI, please wake up from your stupor!
DSC, well done my friends. Keep getting better and better every year!

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bwana - Just wondering what position you hold in DSC?

Larry
Pay Hooker no attention, his meds need adjusting again.
I am simply a life member.
The DSC conv. is for the most part run by member volunteers. I have helped out a few times in the past & absolutely love being there.
The hospitality those Texans put out there makes you feel you are 1 of the family.
Come join the fun & see.

Saeed, why is it necessary to rag on SCI when the inquirer was asking about DSC. Both are good organizations for the hunter. I am looking forward to seeing many old friends at DSC and making new ones.

bwana - I am planning on attending DSC, room reservations made and just need the weather, business commitments and such to stay in order. Been trying to get there for three years now. Hope it works this time.

Larry Sellers
SCI (International) Life Member

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Originally posted by bwana cecil:

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bwana - Just wondering what position you hold in DSC?

Larry
Pay Hooker no attention, his meds need adjusting again.
I am simply a life member.
The DSC conv. is for the most part run by member volunteers. I have helped out a few times in the past & absolutely love being there.
The hospitality those Texans put out there makes you feel you are 1 of the family.
Come join the fun & see.

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Saeed, why is it necessary to rag on SCI when the inquirer was asking about DSC. Both are good organizations for the hunter. I am looking forward to seeing many old friends at DSC and making new ones.

Ed,

I just want to make sure any new prospective member should know how these two organizations work.

Saeed my friend - Since you have never been to either SCI or DSC conventions, why not let an interested party go to both, research each organization and then make up their own minds on which one, if not both, to support? Here in the US at this time we need ALL the support we can get to keep ahead of the ANTI crowd, so infighting is not something we can afford. FWIW, I support both SCI, DSC, NRA and a couple of more local organizations that are fighting for us.

Larry Sellers
SCI (International) Life Member


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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Saeed, why is it necessary to rag on SCI when the inquirer was asking about DSC. Both are good organizations for the hunter. I am looking forward to seeing many old friends at DSC and making new ones.

Ed,

I just want to make sure any new prospective member should know how these two organizations work.

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Saeed my friend - Since you have never been to either SCI or DSC conventions, why not let an interested party go to both, research each organization and then make up their own minds on which one, if not both, to support? Here in the US at this time we need ALL the support we can get to keep ahead of the ANTI crowd, so infighting is not something we can afford. FWIW, I support both SCI, DSC, NRA and a couple of more local organizations that are fighting for us.

Larry Sellers
SCI (International) Life Member


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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Saeed, why is it necessary to rag on SCI when the inquirer was asking about DSC. Both are good organizations for the hunter. I am looking forward to seeing many old friends at DSC and making new ones.

Ed,

I just want to make sure any new prospective member should know how these two organizations work.

Larry, my friend, I agree with you.

Just imagine how wonderful it would be if we did not have so many things to complain about with SCI.

From their lethargic actions against shady operators, to the unionized staff they use on their shows, that bleed every exhibitor dry.

On the other hand, we hear about how the volunteers at DSC help everyone exhibiting there.

Nothing will please me and many members here more than to see SCI get out of this situation and get their act together.

The unionized staff are staff of the venue location not SCI staff. How many members of SCI live in LV versus DSC member living in the Dallas area? They are both good organizations just a bit different. Maybe like dairy cattle vs beef cattle.

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
The unionized staff are staff of the venue location not SCI staff. How many members of SCI live in LV versus DSC member living in the Dallas area? They are both good organizations just a bit different. Maybe like dairy cattle vs beef cattle.

Ed,

I am only getting second hand information.

But what I hear is that at SCI convention, anything the exhibitors need, in any services, they have to pay for very high prices.

At DSC it seems they have volunteers who do a lot of work helping exhibitors without having to charge an arm and a leg.

Yes they have that problem in LV, but that is where the exhibitors are most happy even with the added costs. So SCI leaves Reno for LV and it pleases the exhibitors who carry the heavier freight and appear to be happy to do so as business is better. SCI just can't win can they?

I guess this is as good a place as any to post this...Once again we (DSC) are going to have a room at the convention center set aside for the use of AR members; just a place to congregate away from the crush of the show to rest and visit. For those of you who made use of the room the past two years, it is supposed to be the same room. I, unlike Cecil, am just a junior go-fer this year so I hope to have time to meet many of you this year.

Karl

Great it will be nice to have some time to talk.

Karl,

Thank you very much.

Ed,

See what I mean?

Just look at the differing attitude of SCI and DSC.

DSC, go the extra mile to make you feel welcome.

SCI, squeeze every penny out of you, and make you feel unwanted!

Saeed, we will just have to agree to disagree. I just don't like the ragging on SCI all the time. but it is just here and the truth of the matter is AR is not so well known in the hunting world as posters here want to believe. I have yet to hunt with a PH in Africa or anywhere else in the world that had heard of AR before I mentioned the site. Granted I am not so well traveled as some here - less than 20 international hunts.

Ed,

How well known AR is, is not relevant.

What is relevant is the endless complaints about SCI we hear from African PHs and outfitters.

The sad part is many of them tell me they get absolutely no bookings at the SCI convention, and they never "donate" hunts either.

But, they go just to show their faces.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Ed,

How well known AR is, is not relevant.

What is relevant is the endless complaints about SCI we hear from African PHs and outfitters.

The sad part is many of them tell me they get absolutely no bookings at the SCI convention, and they never "donate" hunts either.

But, they go just to show their faces.

African outfitters complaining - NO, I never... (sarcasm alert). There are a hundred African outfitters who would cut the next guys throat to book a client. If you cant sell a hunt at SCI, either your supply is too great or the demand for your product way too low.

SCI bashing on AR is ugly.

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SCI bashing on AR is ugly.

SCI's actions - non actions?- are uglier!

Saeed, people on here seem to think AR is terribly relevant, HO HO. One can only relate their personal experiences. Personally I like the DSC show best, but in truth I don't go there to book a hunt but rather visit with friends. One PH I hunt with was not at DSC last year nor will he be at the next, but would not miss SCI. Yes he bitches about SCI and the costs but when the rubber hits the road SCI is still the #1 show for vendors. Saeed, if you would could share with me via PM the outfitters that get no bookings at SCI but get many at DSC.

Ed,

The outfitters who told me they never get any bookings at SCI never go to DSC?!

As you mentioned, they go there because they are expected to I suppose.

SCI is a global organization internationally recognized as the world's most important pro-hunting voice.

DSC is an local Texas upstart club of pseudo-cowboy wannabees who wear oversized hats to match their oversized egos and cowboy boots to make themselves appear a bit taller than really are.

Thanks, Saeed, for inspiring me to post something as absurd as you did (if diametrically opposite in perspective).

Steve,

No matter how big the Texans hats are, they pale into insignificance when compared to the egos of SCI members who pay South African PHs to capture SCI Top 5 trophies for them so they can enter them into the SCI Record Book.

So they can claim to be Great Hunters!

Makes a bloody mockery of the whole trophy hunting community!

Well it sounds like those outfitter do great with what ever other system they use. No they go to SCI because it is the BEST source for bookings.

Saeed, the above post by you is just plain Bull Shit!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Ed,

The outfitters who told me they never get any bookings at SCI never go to DSC?!

As you mentioned, they go there because they are expected to I suppose.

You're kidding right? They go to SCI because they are "expected to"? Expected to by whom? An absurd statement!

Yeah, we've all heard many outfitters say they go to DSC because they WANT to, but go to SCI because they HAVE to. Things may certainly change as one of my friends who is a very prominent African outfitter said they sold almost all of their quota at DSC last year, making the SCI show a bit redundant for his outfit, but the reason behind the statement of Want / Have concerning the two shows isn't to show face to some nebulous entity that "expects" them to be there. The reason they HAVE to go to SCI is because it's the largest of the shows, draws the most potential customers (meaning people who can actually afford to do more than just waste time talking and looking at all the pretty mounts and guns, and actually book a safari), and is the best venue for selling their hunts!

Seriously, why would any outfitter continue to display at the SCI show, or any other for that matter, if the show didn't provide bookings? Yes, donations cost the outfitters money, but so does advertising of any sort. I challenge you Saeed, to tell us what better advertising dollars are spent by the outfitters than attending the SCI show? This gets to be a bit like listening to guys bitch about commercials on the hunting TV shows. I suppose some actually expect those TV show producers to just pay for the hunts, film crew, editing, purchase the air time from the networks, and put the show on the boob tube for our enjoyment simply out of the good of their hearts? All of that costs money. The best venue, Vegas, cost money, but it draws the largest crowd of qualified customers! Period!

I'm reminded of the movie "The Jerk" where the concept of business is explained to Steve Martin. He gets this look of enlightenment on his face and says, "Oh, I get it! It's a profit thing"!!

I am going to DSC this year, if all works out, but NOT to book a hunt. I already have PH and outfitters I hunt with in RSA, Namibia, Zim, Moz, Argentina and here in the States, so don't go to Shows to book hunts. Looking forward to DSC mainly just to meet some new folks, talk with old friends who will be there and do a little something different after 16 years of attending the SCI Convention. Should be nice to make a comparison of the two, but that's not the real intent. Both are VERY GOOD groups that should get EVERYONES support!!

Dallas isn't my favorite place by a longshot, but Las Vegas really sucks. I know the weather can really be a problem in Dallas, so hoping for the best in this regards.

Larry Sellers
SCI (International) Life Member

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Steve,

No matter how big the Texans hats are, they pale into insignificance when compared to the egos of SCI members who pay South African PHs to capture SCI Top 5 trophies for them so they can enter them into the SCI Record Book.

So they can claim to be Great Hunters!

Makes a bloody mockery of the whole trophy hunting community!

It's the whole "bigger is better" idea that must be scrapped, Saeed, along with the phrases "trophy-hunting" and "sport-hunting".

The focus must be placed squarely on hunting as a tool for conservation. Period. Case-closed. End-of-story. All the record books should be scrapped (except for RW).

Saeed,
Will you be coming to Dallas this year?
Bill

Bill,

I would love to, but I am afraid not.

SteveG why retain RW records. RW I my humble opinion is a flawed system. One long horn and a broken other horn and it is still in the book, come on. If you don't want records of kept that is fine.

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
SteveG why retain RW records. RW I my humble opinion is a flawed system. One long horn and a broken other horn and it is still in the book, come on. If you don't want records of kept that is fine.

Rowland Ward records the stats and location of game animals for the purpose of documenting species distribution and variations in characteristics (like horn size), whether the anmal was shot, snared or found dead of natural causes. The hunt and hunter are irrelevant.

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Originally posted by SteveGl:

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
SteveG why retain RW records. RW I my humble opinion is a flawed system. One long horn and a broken other horn and it is still in the book, come on. If you don't want records of kept that is fine.

Rowland Ward records the stats and location of game animals for the purpose of documenting species distribution and variations in characteristics (like horn size), whether the anmal was shot, snared or found dead of natural causes. The hunt and hunter are irrelevant.

Steve,

The whole point of the SCI so called "trophy" is to glorify the individual.

How that animal was hunted, ethically, legally or not, is irrelevant.

In some of the old hunting books, one finds episode of past SCI bigwigs breaking all sorts of laws just to get into the "mine is bigger than yours" sorry club.

I bet USFW and their Lacey Act will come in handy in the future for some of those crooked hunters and their PHs.

I plan t make my first visit to DSC this year as well. Hope to attend the Dinner and informal cocktail get together and meet some of you fine fellow hunters!!
I assume time and place will be displayed on another thread as we get closer to the Convention??
I have had fun at the SCI dinner or cocktails get togethers.....
Cheers,

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by SteveGl:

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
SteveG why retain RW records. RW I my humble opinion is a flawed system. One long horn and a broken other horn and it is still in the book, come on. If you don't want records of kept that is fine.

Rowland Ward records the stats and location of game animals for the purpose of documenting species distribution and variations in characteristics (like horn size), whether the anmal was shot, snared or found dead of natural causes. The hunt and hunter are irrelevant.

Steve,

The whole point of the SCI so called "trophy" is to glorify the individual.

How that animal was hunted, ethically, legally or not, is irrelevant.

In some of the old hunting books, one finds episode of past SCI bigwigs breaking all sorts of laws just to get into the "mine is bigger than yours" sorry club.

I bet USFW and their Lacey Act will come in handy in the future for some of those crooked hunters and their PHs.

SCI didn't coin the word trophy, which in-and-of-itself glorifies the hunter, and like the albatross hanging 'round the neck of the ancient mariner, will forever condemn us.