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Addressing the African Big Game Controversy


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I'm a big fan of Steven Rinella.

I wasn't a big fan of the article however.
 
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Steve obviously is pretty ignorant about African hunting but I think his views are similar to others who know nothing about hunting Africa. I found it mostly positive considering his obvious lack of knowledge.

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I too am a big fan of the show and I agree with Mark that the article touches on points that I agree with but is lacking in other statements.

Perhaps Mr. Rinella should consider that the "American Lion" that he wants to hunt would be illegal for him to possess if he lived in California and that the trend against hunting is to nickel and dime us out of our ability to hunt at all.

Even if Mr. Rinella can not see himself hunting in Africa or ever hunting an African Lion perhaps he should at least voice the fact that it's hunting dollars that protect that Lion outside of and inside of Parks.

I'm sure he knows that hunting dollars supports game here in the States.

As far as anything wasted in Africa perhaps he should consider that the drags we made for Lion and Leopard in Zambia were asked for and given to some of the guys in camp because they wanted to eat the guts we just dragged over the ground for a mile.

Actually the thing I would love to ask him is how the hell can he be so lucky with his drawing permits in Alaska? He's gotten at least three that I've seen on his show (which I like very much) that most of us living here will never see. Makes a guy wonder!!


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I didn't think the article was terrible. Except for the part about wanting to go home with the trackers and eat some of the kill with their families. That just comes off as patronizing. Surely everyone wants an American to come home with them. That part comes off as extremely culturally ignorant.
 
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I didn't think the article was terrible. Except for the part about wanting to go home with the trackers and eat some of the kill with their families. That just comes off as patronizing. Surely everyone wants an American to come home with them. That part comes off as extremely culturally ignorant.


Goes hand and hand with his show. He'll barter with locals in Mexico on a hunt and get "secrets" on food prep.


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Originally posted by Frostbit:

Even if Mr. Rinella can not see himself hunting in Africa or ever hunting an African Lion perhaps he should at least voice the fact that it's hunting dollars that protect that Lion outside of and inside of Parks.

I'm sure he knows that hunting dollars supports game here in the States.

As far as anything wasted in Africa perhaps he should consider that the drags we made for Lion and Leopard in Zambia were asked for and given to some of the guys in camp because they wanted to eat the guts we just dragged over the ground for a mile.


Frostbit,

I believe that Rinella did touch on those points:

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B. Sure, it’s true that the hunters eat only a fraction of the meat that they kill, but that hardly means the meat goes to waste. I’ve heard from dozens of friends and acquaintances, all of them honest and many of them skeptical, who swore to the fact that African game animals get utilized far more thoroughly than most of the whitetail deer that get harvested in the United States. Right down to the testicles, I’ve been told. One friend of mine described a scene in which the eating started within minutes of the animal’s death and didn’t end until it was a pile of scraped bone.

C. Sure, it’s true that Americans pay a lot of money to kill those animals, but that money goes a long, long ways toward conserving those resources. It’s been proven time and again in the U.S. that a sort of commodification of wildlife isn’t entirely bad. By which I mean, those species which hunters consider desirable have armies of volunteers and banks full of money at their back............................................................................................................... I’m not naïve enough to think that a similar sort of altruism is at play when Americans travel to Africa—in fact, I doubt that many Americans who travel there are overly concerned about African wildlife habitat issues at all—but their spending in those countries is very important – nearly as much as the volunteering/donating that go on in the United States. The influx of hunter-spent dollars in Africa sends a powerful message to government bodies: These animals and their homes are important. They have value. They are economic drivers. Don’t mess with them.


Personally I take offense that he states that he doubts "that many Americans who travel there are overly concerned about African wildlife habitat issues at all".

Many of us here on AR have given our own time and money to support African wildlife outside of our hunting pursuits. But, having said that, I don't believe that we are representative of many Americans who head over for a week long(or less) hunt with the goal of collecting a large bag.


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He obviously believes that his newfound semi-celebrity status authorizes him to criticize things beyond his experience, knowledge or understanding.

Unfortunately, this is a common condition among celebrities, semi- and otherwise.

He should have succumbed to his better judgment and declined to comment.


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Glad I am not the only one who thinks Rinella routinely comes off as entitled and egotistical. Have actually perceived this for a few years now. What's sad is there are plenty of people out there with more cause to actually be JUSTIFIABLY egotistical about hunting or Africana than this guy....yet they still remain humble (or at least good at presenting the image of humility). Rinella seems to really like the idea that someone might really value his opinion...which is ironic since he has no basis for most of them.
 
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At least his intentions are meant well.
 
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Rubbed me wrong on a level or two. Do not come off as "in the know " on a subject unless you are.


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As to going home with the trackers and eating some of the kill, ask Leopardtrack about that one! According to one of our mutual PHs, Frank decided one evening to go and eat with the trackers in order to enjoy the full African experience. You can all figure out how that one turned out. Big Grin
 
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As to going home with the trackers and eating some of the kill, ask Leopardtrack about that one! According to one of our mutual PHs, Frank decided one evening to go and eat with the trackers in order to enjoy the full African experience. You can all figure out how that one turned out. Big Grin


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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:

He obviously believes that his newfound semi-celebrity status authorizes him to criticize things beyond his experience, knowledge or understanding.

Unfortunately, this is a common condition among celebrities, semi- and otherwise.

He should have succumbed to his better judgment and declined to comment.


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I thought he was relatively honest about his ignorance. After all everyone has an opinion and his wasn't atypical from what I experience regularly with North American big game hunters.

I am regularly shocked by the ignorance of friends and acquaintances that hunt deer, elk etc. but declare that they have no desire to hunt in Africa. When they find out more about it particularly that it isn't necessarily a rich-guy sport, the interest grows.


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Originally posted by hunt99:
I thought he was relatively honest about his ignorance. After all everyone has an opinion and his wasn't atypical from what I experience regularly with North American big game hunters.

I am regularly shocked by the ignorance of friends and acquaintances that hunt deer, elk etc. but declare that they have no desire to hunt in Africa.


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I think that it is important to know how "regular" hunters view African hunting.

For the average person or the regular hunter ignorance describes 95% of their "knowledge" regarding Africa.


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Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

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I didn't think the article was terrible. Except for the part about wanting to go home with the trackers and eat some of the kill with their families. That just comes off as patronizing. Surely everyone wants an American to come home with them. That part comes off as extremely culturally ignorant.


It has been my experience that black Africans are very eager to invite me(a white American) to share a meal, especially if I express an interest in "how they do things". This has mostly occurred in the bush but I have also been invited into their homes when in town.

Some of my most treasured memories of Africa have noting to do with hunting.


Jason

"You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core."
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Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

-Jason Brown
 
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As far as eating with the trackers, it reminds me of an article I read by someone that did a lot of volunteer work overseas. She basically said they really don't want that kid of interaction. The volunteer work she first did was building a library next to a school in TZ. She later found out the locals would come and demo the work they'd just finished and rebuild because the volunteers didn't know crap about building, at least not safely.


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