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Originally posted by H T:
Frostbit,
I am indeed flying through Jo'Burg in September and have noted the expiration date on the most recent 4457s. I have been told that SAPS has been told and knows to expect to see those forms for the foreseeable future, past that expiration date. That is coming from a meet and greet service in Jo'Burg. So they have been involved with SAPS officials, and I'm not too concerned.

I was also told they expect to see that the 4457 form presented is one that was completed by the CBP in the current year. I have another trip lined up for March and will need another 4457 form for that very reason. That's why this issue caught my eye to begin with. But it sounds like it was an isolated case of a CBP office having the wrong information.

Good to hear. A meet and greet service is worth their weight in gold.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I would go with the guns and have him tell me or get it done. Or get up early and run down to Houston.

I was in front of an officer and on the phone with the supervisor and had them both confirm they refused to sign the form. I will call tomorrow. I don't have unlimited time to be away from the office for these fool's errands and also am running out of time if local permits have to be redone.

Hopefully all the glitches that I am encountering aren't indicative of the way the trip will go...

Sorry you are having issues sir. Hope the rest goes well for you...best of luck.

Thank you sir. One way or another it will all work out.

Charles: DFW is in Congressman Kenny Marchant’s district, he helped with this same issue before and his office is now working on it. Hopefully be remedied very quickly.

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Originally posted by K Evans:
Charles: DFW is in Congressman Kenny Marchant’s district, he helped with this same issue before and his office is now working on it. Hopefully be remedied very quickly.

Thanks. Due to a number of things, several of which are squarely on me, I'm up against a deadline for permits on the other side and may drop back and punt. Will probably make the call today as I don't need the extra stress.

Thanks for the updates - will be going through this process at the Ester's road location soon, and for the first time. Please keep us posted.

All I can say is that you can call ahead and just ask what you need to bring. I can't explain why I seem to be the only one who has run into this, but it seems to be an aberration.

Were you able to get your 4457s sir?

I'm at the point where I think it is easier to just go without the rifles, but am waiting to hear something definitive from Travel with Guns. I think the only thing I would absolutely need a new 4457 for would be re-entry to the US, if no ITN is required. I have them for the rifles, just one lists the scope I am no longer taking. I wanted a 4457 with just that rifle and separate ones for two scopes. Should have gotten those when I was there but they threw me for a loop...

Charles,
If you have a 4457, you don't need a NEW one for entry into the US. The need for a new one has cropped up when flying into South Africa.

I don't have scopes, camera, etc on my 4457s, and I've never had a problem. Usually Customs seems so focused on checking my rifles properly (re-entry into US) that they don't check anything else at all.

Except the Customs agent indicated they were imposing the suspended export requirements...yet no one else anywhere has heard this.

I have used the DFW CBP several times for 4457. Sad to hear that such a gun friendly state is causing all the issue.

When I went last year I had to go back twice as the first 4457 I had signed was the “old” date one. Almost just edited the pdf the next time I went to have an expiration of 2059 to avoid any issues in the future.

I'm starting to think it's a personal thing since no one else has had a problem...

Please let us know if you go and what the outcome is.

Travel With Guns has not heard of any other problems. I have no idea why this happened to me and at this point it is too late for me to care. I will shoot Andrew's camp rifles or buy a spear in town.

There's a lot of things I used to care about that are not so important any more. The problems I have had the getting the rifles ready and sorted and Customs approved could have been resolved given enough time but I just don't have that luxury any more.

Plenty of this falls on me but the combination of issues is something I never anticipated, with scope problems (never had a new scope that could not get closer than 2" from the bull at 25 yards and was out of windage adjustment), ammunition problems (delays due to Northfork and first ever brass failure I can remember), Customs problems...I just don't need anything else.

I'm wondering if they were trying to discourage me from using the Love Field office. Curious if anyone has been to the Esters Road office in the last week.

My buddy and I got ours today - no issues at all..

Customs agent was a really nice guy....

I believe the issue has been resolved at DFW.

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Originally posted by K Evans:
I believe the issue has been resolved at DFW.

Thanks. Any insight as to what happened? Anyone else get the story I got?

Due to time to get permits in Zambia I punted to camp rifles as of yesterday. Just didn't want to risk my rifles being impounded and I have enough to stress over without it.

I was a member of the US Custom Agency (the investigative section of US Customs) for several years before being transferred to DEA..

The form 4457 never was a license that I know of, it is nothing but a form showing you owned the item that you took into a foreign country so that in returning you don't have to pay a tax on that item..Somehow over the years this document seems to have been reinvented by African officials who think any thing that is presented by the government is a legal document in regards to import and export laws in the form of a license...Any US Atty should know this, as well as any custom employ..

A 4457 is nothing more than a receipt of ownership, not even required if you have a sales receipt for the gun, camera, range finder, binoculars...

Is that so complicated?? Maybe some official needs to address this with the US Atty in their region...

I mean its come apart over time apparently and seems to apply only to guns!! This document needs revision, or at least read the law and abide by it as written, its in the book! ..

Buddy and I went to DFW customs today - people were generally helpful and we were in and out in less than 20 minutes.

As we were finishing the BP agent helping us noted that "we were lucky to be going now, changes are coming". As we had what we came for, I didn't press the issue further, but found the comment interesting.

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As we were finishing the BP agent helping us noted that "we were lucky to be going now, changes are coming". As we had what we came for, I didn't press the issue further, but found the comment interesting.

Interesting.

Try the office up at the McKinney airport. That's where I got my 4457 done on my 2017 trip. The guy wasn't fast but he was friendly and easy to deal with.

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Originally posted by Ske1eter:
Try the office up at the McKinney airport. That's where I got my 4457 done on my 2017 trip. The guy wasn't fast but he was friendly and easy to deal with.

This and the Love Field option really surprised me. I had assumed only DFW would have a CBP office near me. I suppose Love does handle direct flights from Mexico these days, but McKinney blows my mind. Maybe they handle cargo.

That being said, Alliance might have an office, which could be a good option for you Dr. Easter.

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Originally posted by Ske1eter:
Try the office up at the McKinney airport. That's where I got my 4457 done on my 2017 trip. The guy wasn't fast but he was friendly and easy to deal with.

This and the Love Field option really surprised me. I had assumed only DFW would have a CBP office near me. I suppose Love does handle direct flights from Mexico these days, but McKinney blows my mind. Maybe they handle cargo.

That being said, Alliance might have an office, which could be a good option for you Dr. Easter.

Alliance does have an office. Or at least they did. I've obtained several 4457's from the Alliance office but you have to call ahead to make sure they are there.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by DCS Member:

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Originally posted by Ske1eter:
Try the office up at the McKinney airport. That's where I got my 4457 done on my 2017 trip. The guy wasn't fast but he was friendly and easy to deal with.

This and the Love Field option really surprised me. I had assumed only DFW would have a CBP office near me. I suppose Love does handle direct flights from Mexico these days, but McKinney blows my mind. Maybe they handle cargo.

That being said, Alliance might have an office, which could be a good option for you Dr. Easter.

Alliance does have an office. Or at least they did. I've obtained several 4457's from the Alliance office but you have to call ahead to make sure they are there.

Todd, I should’ve thought about it being a little closer for you also. Despite some of these pains, we should feel much luckier than those that must plan an entire day trip, or longer, to make the trip. Actually, they might live in much cooler places...

I have always been going to try the Alliance office...30 min from my house. But, in the past (including early this year) the Ester Rd office has always been so reliable and easy to deal with...I have just gone there.