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SCI sounds like it has some real problems and many outfitters here appear to be unhappy with the required "donated hunts" and other issues. Lots of PH's and people of influence participate on this forum, why not get together and move the African hunting marketing over to the DSC convention or use your influence, round up some seed money and sponsors and start an independent African hunting convention run so the African safari outfits and PH's will be proud to become members and use that event for their primary marketing in the US? | ||
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The SCI convention is the greatest show on earth. Period. The problem with the DSC is all those damned Texans. No thanks. <> <> <> | |||
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I've been to DSC the past three years and hope to go this year. Never been to SCI but have talked to others who have been to both and most of them say "stick with DSC" And I will. NRA Patron member | |||
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86theCat, Good point! SCI is a joke and BAD for the future of hunting. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The biggest problem I had with the SCI convention is that by the time I finished tallying up airline tickets, hotel rooms, the show costs, food, etc. I was well over $3k for my wife and I. If I sprung for a few of the dinner meals etc. that number was going up even more. I figured I could do DSC for well less than half that. That's a fair bit of trophy fees on my budget. Regards, Robert ****************************** H4350! It stays crunchy in milk longer! | |||
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Great show is all I gotta say. Piss on you naysayers... " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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I enjoy it and will be there again this year.  | |||
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Hey Trophic, I'm one of those "damned Texans" and I think I'll just stick with DSC. Frankly, I'm one of those "damned Texans" that feels pretty put upon by everyone who isn't a Texan. | |||
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By the way Trophic, where the hell are you from? I think it's interesting that everyone from Texas says so in their tag line. I'm suspicious of people who are embarrassed to tell you where they are from. (And, I'd be embarrassed too if it wasn't from Texas.) | |||
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Well, I am not going to either this year... I will chase Lord Derby instead. I kinda like Vegas, its growing on me a bit, and the nightlife there is better than Dallas (went there for a medical convention...) Texas ain't bad. But I do have to wonder about those on both sides who think the other is immeasurably worse than them... | |||
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There is a fundamental deference between the two shows and how they are run - from what I hear. SCI will screw you for every penny they can - especially with their contractors, and their "donations". DSC, on the other hand, have volunteers who help for nothing. And of course, there is "donations". A few years ago I used to be taken to task anytime I mentioned something negative about SCI. Now it seems most people have something against the nuts running it. A tin pot dictatorship!!?? | |||
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I'm a citizen of the world, comfortable at any time in any place with any people ... except, of course, those who think they're special because they're from some place in particular. Hell ... it makes one think that that's all they've got to be proud of.  <> <> <> | |||
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Don't feed the troll. Resist resist resist I have walked in the foot prints of the elephant, listened to lion roar and met the buffalo on his turf. I shall never be the same. | |||
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There are a few convention dedicated to just outfitters/african outfitters , they do OK but only serve for those who may not make the 2 big shows of DSC and SCI - SCI has dropped attendance by almost half but continues to snub anything outfitters suggest - from an attendance of over 25 000 to less than 10 000 , in fact you will notice that the number of attendees to exhibitors has become close to 1:1 at SCI , SCI include exhibitors as attendees to inflate door numbers DSC exceeds 30 000 now and most of my friends and clients attend DSC now , in the past exhibitors took one booth at DSC and 2 or more at SCI this is changing fast. You can write to SCI until you are blue in the face and you will get no answer until you need to pay them for something , then you will recieve a post box full of mail. Unfortunately Dallas Safri Club has a name assoc with only Texans which is not true they are truly international. They always said they were the best not the biggest show but I think they are about that stage to say they are the best and biggest and deserve to be. | |||
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Citizen of the world hey? Are you shitting me? Anyway, kudos to DSC, I hear nothing but great praise about the show. I like SCI as I can drive there and do other things besides the show. I'll give you all Texans thumbs up, you keep rest of us proud of America, keep up the good work gentlemen Never been in Texas but will have to go one day It's just a must " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Both shows are a lot of fun. However, each has a different feel. We are going to both. | |||
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We have not attended SCI but would like to go just to see for ourselves. As others stated, it is in Las Vegas so there are a lot of other things to do. I have many accomplishments to be proud of, but by the grace of God I am also a Texan.  We are life members of DSC and have attended the show for the past 5 years and will attend in 2016. Reading and watching the good, bad and ugly of SCI (of which I am also a member) over the years, one could argue that DSC must be very careful or they will become "the same thing just different". | |||
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There is more to being a hunting organization that would truly be First for Hunters than putting on a convention. If SCI put half the time into its communication efforts, building its social media platform, educational endeavors and the like as it puts into hyping the convention, we would all be far better off as hunters long term. Candidly I am struggling to continue to justify financially supporting an organization that does so little with so much. Mike | |||
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SCI is a good show from the prospective client's perspective. It is some all together different from the outfitter's/PH perspective. I can only hope that SCI changes their ways in the immediate future. DSC is a great show and it's interesting that you do not hear all the negative feedback from outfitters/PHs regarding how it is run and managed. Is anyone at SCI listening??? ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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 It's just a medium-size trade show that charges 10 times what it should to get in. Reality - you should check it out. Thanks for keeping your pompous rear end out of our great state. | |||
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Damn funny! | |||
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SCI cannot hear anything! They are well and truly DEAF! | |||
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Interesting. Are you a taxpayer? | |||
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This might sound a bit strange, but I would hate to see the SCI convention "dumped" for several reasons. They provide a market place for outfitters that are unable to secure a booth at DSC, as well as those who choose not to exhibit at DSC, I'm sure there are more non-convention related things to do in Las Vegas, they provide a venue for some guys to display all of their gold medals (not being critical, just what I've observed)and some people just don't want to come to Dallas but still want to go to a big hunting show. Last year we had over 49,000 people thru the front doors of the convention center and I think we may have that many again in January. There will be about 870 exhibitors filling almost 1200 booths...the hall is full and this is about the booth limit. What is interesting about this is the fact that many exhibitors are requesting additional booths so they must be doing OK. There are still over 500 exhibitors on the waiting list (not all outfitters, some custom gun makers, knife makers, jewelers and probably an insole salesman or two). There are no mandatory donation requirements at DSC (one of the main complaints I've heard about SCI)but we have over $5,000,000 worth of donations so far. There are over 8000 room nights booked at our hotel block during the convention so far, which is over what was booked last year in total, so I guess more people are coming to Dallas in January. I went to SCI in 2014, and plan on going again next year, and I had a pretty good time and expect to have a good time next time as well. Both shows have pluses and minuses but I think it would be a bad thing for our hobby (or passion as the case might be) if their show was to fade away. Not trying to hijack this or slam anyone, just putting the facts out there, so go to one of the shows if you can and have fun. Hope to see many of you in January. Karl Evans | |||
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Classy response Karl. Thanks. | |||
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Thanks Carl " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Exhibitors I have spoken with do not view DSC as an alternative to SCI. They see DSC as additional opportunity. Many exhibitors attend SCI because they feel they must or they will lose important sales. You will not see any regular SCI exhibitors leave the show if they know their biggest competitors are attending. Because of that, SCI wields tremendous weight to exploit exhibitors, and they do so accordingly. For example, exhibitors get space and coverage based on the size of the donations they make. It doesn't matter how much floor space a company wants to rent, they can't play if they don't pay the extras like "donations". It is just short of extortion. The only way to change it would be a mass refusal by exhibitors to participate at some level or by a mass refusal to exhibit at all. Short of mass refusal nothing will change and SCI knows it. . | |||
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I am not a Texan, but I sure am glad I am at least a next door neighbor. I LOVE TEXAS! By the way didn't our illustrious president say something similar to the " I am a citizen of the world" bullshit. LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show. Not all who wander are lost. NEVER TRUST A FART!!! Cecil Leonard | |||
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Karl is another example of what is RIGHT with DSC. Well said Karl! That from the current President. Pardon the example boys, but that kind of leadership is truly being First For Hunters! Dave Fulson | |||
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I've been to conventions with DSC and SCI. If I lived in TX, that's the only one I'd go to. That said, the SCI convention, at least for me a potential buyer of a safari, is definitely bigger and better. | |||
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I agree. But if it were to become supplanted by something even bigger and better then so be it. Stay tuned. Jeff | |||
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And I love Louisiana. 'Kinda like your drunk cousin - you don't always agree with what he does, but by gory, blood is always thicker than water. Together we're the west end of the South, aka Dixie. Oh, wait. Dixie ain't PC anymo'. | |||
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Where is Texas again? Is that the little bitty state squeezed between Ark. and NMex? Just teasing but life is great in AK. | |||
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Agreed!! After all it is the second largest State and all......  ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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We are talkin about Dixie. The hell with PC. | |||
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As long as they aren't wearing burnt orange the second Saturday of October, Texans are pretty good people. | |||
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Karl is a stud. Richard Cheatham is a stud. All the DSC guys are great and dedicate tons of time for no pay. Just ask Karl how much sleep he got before and during the convention he and Rebecca chaired. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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Unlike many here.....I'm poor I can drive to Dallas but Vegas is to far to suit a drive for me ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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