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It just really comes down to distance, as some other posters have already stated. Are your shots going to be more or less than 300 yards? I know I wouldn't try to shoot at anything over 300 yards and therefore I would use the .30-06 regardless of whether it was plains game or any deer. | |||
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The ONLY reaso to go with a 300 nowadays is to get the benefit of larer case capacity with regards to driving bullets over 200 grains. The recent crop of '06 rounds available on the market that drive 180 grainers (NPs for exmple)in excess of 2900 FPS have reinvigorated the venerable caliber. I am a die-hard 300 WM fan, but the '06 is a much more sensible choice for the "Internaional" hunter as there is infinately more ammo out there should you and you rifle arrive at a destination sans ammo. Thus my Africa battery consists of '06, .375 H&H and .470....these are not the ballistic "Champs" of their respective classes, but the fact that there is a better than good chance of availability of these rounds on the continent makes me take this more practical, yet very effective approach. For argument's sake the 7.62 x 51 (.308) would be an even more intelligent choice. Just my '02, JW | |||
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While the inevitable debate continues extolling the relative merits of rifle calibers - I noticed nobody responded to your comment about Wal Mart. I have purchased several guns from them, and have found they are usually slightly higher than what I can purchase a firearm for at a Sportsmans Warehouse or other retailer. Not much - not enough to justify the 150 mile drive to the store for me - but just enough that I haven't felt like I was getting a super deal. Of course, you don't get to see the gun before you buy, so wood quality, wood to metal fit and other individual characteristics are unknown until you have it in hand. And then you must contend with the person who orders that knows jack about firearms/paperwork/etc. I had a .375 on order for 4 months - checking back every 2 weeks - before I demanded to see the original order paperwork. Yep, they had entered the wrong stock number... | |||
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Bayou – Interesting Topic I am going on my first plainsgame safari next month. I considered taking either my 30-06 or my 300 wby mag. If I was to shoot over 200 yards the wby would have been the best choice. I will be taking my father with me who will also use my rifle. My thought was the ’06 would be better for him as he has not shot much with a 300 magnum. As I only want to transport one rifle over the ’06 was chosen. We will be using Federal 180gr Nosler partitions in Africa. For deer here I load Hornady 165gr BTSP in the ’06. When I use the 300 WBY for deer (much more energy than needed) I load 180gr bullets. If I was to take the 300 to Africa 200 grain bullets would be used. I am very happy with my model 70 ’06 & generally would recommend that over a 300 mag. | |||
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I'm with dogcat: 280 with 160 grain Accubonds or Speer Grand Slams. On 150 lb class game and smaller I use the 223 with 60 grain Partitions. Shoot what you can handle. Given your choices, I'd go with the 30-06. '06 cartridges are found everywhere (as in lost luggage). If your hunting Plains Game, you might ask your PH what ranges you'll find in his area. You may find yourself shooting 200-300 yards. That's not the place for 220 grain bullets unless you are a very skilled marksman. Shot placement is paramount to taking game, so study African PG, they differ from our game in anatomy. LDK Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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After more than 60 one shot kills in Africa with my 06 including eland I see no need for more rifle. | |||
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A lot of these discussions are very important when a shot is not well placed. In this event a bigger caliber is always better. Given the high cost of safaris and the shortage of time, can you afford to take 1 day out of 7 days to look for a gut shot zebra! I have shot several animals including leopard, wildboar and big antelope with both 30-06 and 375. There is no doubt that the bigger bullet does have a hammer like knockdown effect on game whereas the smaller 30-06, even with the 180 grain bullet is more akin to being stabbed with a poker as opposed to knocked down with a big hammer. I dont really feel there is that much difference on game between using a 180 grain A frame out of a 30 or a 300 win mag, as the bullet wt is the same. I know that the energy is a bit more but the bullet wt. is of prime importance after bullet type and make. I experienced this 1st hand last year in Namibia, my friend was using a 30WSM and I my 375, there was a very clear difference on the effect on all game. I think the next step up from a 30-06 is a 338. Similar to the diff. I would say between a 375H&H and a 416 rigby, both will do the job on a buff, but the 416 definitely has the edge! | |||
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I vote for the 338 win mag.It has alot more knock down power than the 300 and is flatter shooting than the 30-06.I had both 30-06 and 300 win mags.I didnt like either ,@0 something years later of hunting with the 338 win mag I never turned back.The 338 is very versitle too.You can shoot 200 gr for deer sized game or 250 gr for the larger plains game.I will use my old deer getting Ruger model 77 on plains game any time over a 30-06 or 300 win mag.I had alot of bad experences with both the 300 and 30-06 due to bad bullet selection.They zipped through or blew up in the 300 win mag and up clase the 30-06 did the same.The 338 win mag packs alot more walup and knockdown power. | |||
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30-06. Better chance of finding ammo in a pinch. Brian "If you can't go all out, don't go..." | |||
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