This may be old news to some but Dawie Groenwald of Out of Africa is in trouble again, this time in Botswana. Seems he is 50% owner in a company called Ethic Conservation Services. The company has failed to pay 880,250 Pula to the Development Trust of NG 49. All trophies have been seized until payment. Very similar to the Zimbabwe issue. Full report in The Hunting Report March issue. I cannot understand why anyone would even think of hunting with this outfit.

I hear that if the court order to seize all trophies is not worked out soon----by way of Out of Africa paying the owed money:

then after April 6, the cities animal trophies will not be allowed to export

one of the persons rummored to be affected by this is Kevin Anderson!! Yes, Out of Africa's own attorney might loose his Elephant Trophy!!



for those that don't know;
Kevin is Out of Africa's lawyer, SCI's legal counsel,has been a member of the Ethic's committee(may still be), and current SCI Vice President (Sci has multiple Vices Presidents)

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Originally posted by quickshot:
I hear that if the court order to seize all trophies is not worked out soon----by way of Out of Africa paying the owed money:

then after April 6, the cities animal trophies will not be allowed to export

one of the persons rummored to be affected by this is Kevin Anderson!! Yes, Out of Africa's own attorney might loose his Elephant Trophy!!



for those that don't know;
Kevin is Out of Africa's lawyer, SCI's legal counsel,has been a member of the Ethic's committee(may still be), and current SCI Vice President (Sci has multiple Vices Presidents)

More SCI corruption.

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What? A moral dressing down from cats/wynnwood/Reverend Terrence Murphy who posted someone else's archery hunting pictures claiming them to be his own? And claimed he was a full time Alaskan guide even though he works full time at a Pennsylvania middle school? How humorous.

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here is some more info for the mud slinging:

At the Reno Convention, the SCI Ethic's committee was told of the Botswana seized trophies do to OAAS bouncing check payment and was asked to not allow or pressure OAAS to stop selling hunts in Botswana during the convention---especially following the much publicized complaints with the Zimbabwe hunts they have sold.

SCI's response I was told was " it isn't sufficient to stop them from selling the Botswana hunts"

I personally was't there during the discussions, but was at the convention and heard of the seizers while on the convention floor.

say what you what but SCI so far has taken no action against OAAS to my knowledge and god knows they have heard whole shitpile of complaints
regards

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quickie are you a member of SCI? If not why? Why not be a member of an org that is doing more for the hunting industry than anyother org world wide?
Unless one is hands on with the interactions of any companies dealings in any walk of life they are in no position to take the lofty ground and condem that company. Pick up any newspaper and tell me that what you read is exactly what happened in any report. You know no better than I what is truely going on. Trouble is you read shit stirring or listen to 2nd hand "old woman talk" them pass judgement ....hmmmmm you're not one of 500's aliases are you

I got to agree with you cats! Everyone wants to point finger but nobody wants to get invloved!! It's easy to talk!!

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Originally posted by cats:
quickie are you a member of SCI? If not why? Why not be a member of an org that is doing more for the hunting industry than anyother org world wide?
Unless one is hands on with the interactions of any companies dealings in any walk of life they are in no position to take the lofty ground and condem that company. Pick up any newspaper and tell me that what you read is exactly what happened in any report. You know no better than I what is truely going on. Trouble is you read shit stirring or listen to 2nd hand "old woman talk" them pass judgement ....hmmmmm you're not one of 500's aliases are you

Bwana Pothead

If you were a member of SCI you would know that quickshot would have to be also if he attended the Convention like he stated.

Are you a member? Under the name of Terrence Lee Murphy.

Cats:
Yes I am a member of SCI --and for that matter--a donating one!
And HELL YES I am involved-- and yes I think I know a thing or two what is going on between OoAAS and SCI--


I notice defenders always attack the messenger--never seem to be able to argue with facts-- Where are my facts inaccurate? before you throw mud at the messenger, shouldn't you at least find some fault with the message??????

As a member of SCI I have the right to comdem their poor behavior! That doesn't mean I condem SCI as a whole---if you would bother to read any of my other posts on SCI issues, you would see that I have stated several times that SCI is a great organization and yes, it does a lot of good. That said, it has some serious issues--namely, some of its dealings (and lack of dealings) with questionable outfitters/safari companies.

Pointing out serious problems --is not taking some "lofty" position..

SCI needs to clean up it's act before OoAAS and their like drag them (us members) down into a political nightmare--

example, what if a major news organization decided to do a hit piece on the SCI? they could easily turn the OoAAS relationship with SCI into a firestorm of bad publicity" I can see the horrifying headlines now " SCI uses safari companies to prey on their membership-- defrauding tens of thousands of dollars from unsupecting members" or some crap like that.

SCI needs some criticism for its own good --so get over it--lay of the dope long enough to get fresh breath of air

So those that say I am not involved --I AM!!! ARE YOU!!!! And What are you doing to get the SCI to clean up their act???? Let's put a beer on it---if you've done more I buy--If I have--then you buy!
no --I am not 500grains but I would like to own a few of his doubles--I don't make as much coin as I think he does

regards

[QUOTE] Would you be interested in my resume sir?
QUOTE]

Will it be as accurate, truthfull and authentic as your bow hunting pictures?

I'd be interested to hear the answer to that question regarding the fake pictures.

Cats, you need to realize that until you post some bona fides, your credibility is zero. And before you start with the usual insults, please go back and read the last shot you gave me and explain it as it made no sense to me.jorge

Cats- After checking your meds, kindly do some research on the entire history of SCI, going back to it's founding moments with Mac and the gang. There has been alot written and perhaps some fellow members could steer you in the right direction for these sources. Bottom line- The OVERIDING theme has always been about ego and greed. Please take off you rose colored glasses and do some research. And by the way, I am a member. Bob Butler.

Where did I put that old saw about "glass houses"?

Guys, IMHO, since, for some reason, Saeed won't ban him from the site, the best thing to do with this fraudulent nit-wit is ignore him.

Cats: That's a great excuse not to post pictures, but I'm reasonable. How about the name of an outfitter and PH and where and when you hunted and an explanation for the FAKE pictures for starters.
As to the ego, guilty as charged, but my "ego problems" pale wrt your credibility problems. And what does "over grade" mean anyway? jorge

Still waiting for the FAKE PICTURES explanation and you with a THEOLOGY degree and all. Isn't telling the truth somewhere in the mix?

Hey I got it, how about the VIN number of you HUMMER? Cats, if I'm wrong I'll be the first one to apologize, and to be honest, I'm fed up with your BS. You are a fake. Prove me otherwise so we can all move on. jorge

cats, does this look familiar?

cats: my ego has nothing to do with your posting of fake pictures or claiming you own a Hummer, your own business, ad nauseaum. It's about you and your departure from ANYTHING resembling the truth. jorge

trend? The trend is that everything you post is a bold face lie. Still waiting as to why you posted fake pictures. Tell you what, just answer that for us. I'm not holding my breath. jorge

Cats

Along with your Hummer and your Ruger RSM are you going to be offering your Spartan .45-70 double gun for sale as well?

Sure "Otji" Just like we waited for your pictures over on the other forum before you magically stopped posting after you couldn't produce. SO what if you go shooting with Mike. What does that prove that you own a rifle?

Why don't you explain the FAKE PICTURES and the fact you can't back up ONE fact out of all the lies, you've permeated on this forum?

How are things in Bath nowadays, it must be tough getting your Hummer serviced over there, let alone fitting into that garage of yours. Don't you have any pride man! Realize you are a LAUGHING STOCK here. jorge

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Tease as you may MY policy is no HERO pics on the net...my pecker is big enough I don't need them

Well if that is the case, why did you post FAKE pictures claiming to be you then? What "policy" is that "cats? The more you lie, the more you'll be exposed. Keep going. jorge

were these the old long box pictures?
He asked me to post them saying he was retired didn't know how.
WHAT ABOUT THE PICTURES CATS?

Rusty: He pulled the same crap over on the 24hour forum under the handle "Otjiwarongo" regarding having difficulty posting pictures. Of course, once he was pressed on it he never came back. Hopefully, he'll get the message here and go away.

Well, how about it "cats" if it's your "policy" why did you post fake pictures? jorge

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Originally posted by jorge:

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Tease as you may MY policy is no HERO pics on the net...my pecker is big enough I don't need them

Well if that is the case, why did you post FAKE pictures claiming to be you then? What "policy" is that "cats? The more you lie, the more you'll be exposed. Keep going. jorge

Jorge,

Is this the thread you are thinking of, where Cats/Wynwood had some pictures posted?
Wynwood/Cats bowhunting adventures...

Yep, those are the ones. Exactly the same place as this idiot posts from. He tried it on another forum under another name and was exposed there too. Wonder how much lunch money this idiot lost as a kid as it's obvious he has no self respect. jorge

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Originally posted by cats:
SS: no I am not offering the Spartan...would you?

Cat's it would be impossible for me to offer something I didn't posses to sell.

Please send me a PM with the VIN number and pictures of your Hummer I'd like to do a title search and damage history on it before considering making an offer.

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Originally posted by cats:
it's Terrence Lee Murphy, retired doing consulting work on new construction at a school district in Pa.

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Originally posted by cats:
George we've had our differences in the past but I thank you for your honest an speedy reply. He won't drop down to $550, an I think for that close to the price of a new CZ 550 American Safari in 375 H&H that may be the way to go ( it's a b'day present from father to son) thanks Terry AKA Cats

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Originally posted by DRG:

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Originally posted by wynwood:
Jerry: you went and ruined all my fun! I so wanted it to be 500 that tracked those pictures down to Bob. Have the sucker running rings around himself....gosh ain't life grand!
Oh Well! now back to posting under my real screen name,just like many of you I have several....funny some of you were actually sent me PMs discussing wynwood (wynwood BTW is for Wyatt Wood). <img src="http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de//jump.gif" alt="jump" width="111" height="45"><!--graemlin::jump:-->

What IS your real screen name?

Since you obviously have admitted this is a troll re-incarnation, we are taking the pleasure of deleting your account.....

Have a good life somewhere else.

Don

Same PA school district. Probably same IP address as well, as the administrators of AR would well know.

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Originally posted by wynwood (on another forum):

was directed here from another site, decided to register.
mainly a bow hunter myself but have been to Namibia on a plains game rifle safari now going back with my bow in '06 have deposits paid and trying to run pages off the calendar ....of course at my age I hope the pages don't speed by too quickly.
Wynwood, A.K.A. Terry

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Originally posted by cats:
George we've had our differences in the past but I thank you for your honest an speedy reply. He won't drop down to $550, an I think for that close to the price of a new CZ 550 American Safari in 375 H&H that may be the way to go ( it's a b'day present from father to son) thanks Terry AKA Cats

I'll let you all draw your own conclusions but

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What IS your real screen name?

Since you obviously have admitted this is a troll re-incarnation, we are taking the pleasure of deleting your account.....

Have a good life somewhere else.

Don

I guess DRG is the man at bat now.

Don't forget his "Charles McWilliams" troll identity as well.

Of course he has now created a new alias for himself seeing this one ("cats") is close to self-destruct.

At last count he has booked hunts (from posts) in something like six different African countries in 2006.

Personally I think he is a bird-watcher and not a hunter or shooter at all.