The Accurate Reloading Forums THE ACCURATE RELOADING.COM FORUMS Hunting African Big Game Hunting Definition of a Huntable Male Lion endorsed by DSCGo | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
| Definition of a Huntable Male Lion endorsed by DSC | Login/Join |
One of Us |
Oryx, Things have evolved since that meeting. Craig Packer and Karyl Whitmann have offered and continue to offer workshops on known aged lions to the hunting community. Efforts are in the works to get PH's into these workshops. Our advisory group (Craig Packer, Karyl Whitmann, Paula White, and Colleen Begg) believe that with training and practice that 'on-the-paw aging' can be highly accurate to get consistently above 4 and with some precautionary discretion...to 6 and above. NOBODY (no...not even Craig) expects it to be perfect in the beginning...but...until we vets get to where we can breathe life back into a carcass...on-the-paw is where it must begin.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Congrats on a successful initiative- It is a step in the right direction and whether we are in full agreement or not we cannot afford not to be united in it. I for one however look forward to a possible workshop to get even remotely comfortable with " on the paw aging" and I have shot my fair share of lions. I know that if I speak honestly with my fellow PHs with more then 15 years of dangerous game experience ie lion hunting they will admit to the same! I personally doubt that with the low lion quotas of today that any Ph will be proficient in it. I hope to be proved wrong and am prepared to be proved wrong! I guess it comes down to " desperate times calls for desperate measures!" | |||
|
| One of Us |
Buzz - Ya, desperate times call for desperate measures for sure! But putting forth a conservation minded initiative is not a "desperate" measure, its something that should have been done long ago. Look guys - I'll try to say this one more time, and hopefully everyone reads my words, not just what they want to hear. This is not expected to be "perfect", its expected to create awareness amongst hunters/PH's, and encourage both to strive for older/mature lions, period! In doing so, we as hunters are working towards the continued longevity of the wild lion, and showing to the world, that we too are serious about the conservation of the lion! Buzz, you and I both know what this is intended to do - stop the killing of 2-4 yr old male lions, and mainly the killing of 2-3 yr old males! No one, including me, would argue that exact age estimation on the "paw" is flawless. But we both know, identifying obviously "young/immature" lions is NOT very difficult either. If we can stop the killing of most of these young males, or at least error on the side of caution, then we've put forth the best foot possible, IMO. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Aaron: The anti hunting groups will simply tell you to stop killing them if you are seriously intentioned in their longevity and conservation and will now gleefully quote Botswana and Zambia as their succeeded "projects". A great pity that Dr. White or any of the other highly esteemed researchers were unable to influence the Zambian Madam Minister. | |||
|
One of Us |
So fujotupu ... what positive contribution to the effort of preserving lion hunting does your above statements make? Sounds as if you're one of those guys that just accepts whatever may come without putting up a fight for what you believe in or want to achieve! | |||
|
| One of Us |
Fujo - The madam's decision was made without first contacting any of the afore-mentioned scientists, AT ALL. But as an African yourself, you should know full-well how that works!!! Now, the madam minister is coming to the SCI convention next week - where a well balanced attempt to educate her on the benefits of hunting/wildlife conservation will commence. As Todd mentions - thankfully there are those of us who have worked tirelessly, not only for the lion, but the African wildlife in general. Doing nothing, will produce nothing - just a thought to consider??? | |||
|
| One of Us |
Todd: In TZ it is Law so my/our contribution is already established regardless of the FACT that Dr. Paula White among other researchers (as well as colleagues within the industry) confirm that it is impossible to tell the difference between 4-6 and 5-7. When you live in an environment where unqualified people are put in charge of certain sectors of which they are totally clueless, you can be as optimistic as you like - it just doesn't happen - not in Africa anyway. I have not degraded the efforts put in by Aaron and Lane other than offer counter comments within the discussion in order to get opinions from all venues. One cannot expect everyone to agree that whatever is being done has to be positive just because in their opinion it is. The researchers/biologists/scientists should be very close to the inner sanctums of the industry and by that I mean the wildlife department to include the Minister with whom they should interact and be their prime advisers (IMO) - other than that, they are where they are on an extended paid holiday researching for their own benefit. | |||
|
one of us |
This is a great opportunity for hunters and SCI. "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
|
| One of Us |
Aaron: Yep I know how it works and so do you! In the meantime 19 prime concessions Zambia are closed for 2013 and 2014 is by no means a certainty (for now). The hunting of cats as I have understood has been banned and that is an aside from the normal hunting - when and if it gets reinstated is another matter (...Leopard count?....give us a break!) It is also without a shadow of doubt that the Minister must have been inundated by requests for reconsideration (which amounted to pissing against the wind because it is still closed) to no avail. That her abrupt decision was influenced by other players is also without doubt and a sheer coincidence that it came about shortly after HRH Khama pulled the plug in Bots. Did the scientists approach the Madam? - I cannot confirm because I don't know for a fact but I am sure they must have made some attempt which however didn't go far (so it seems). We all hope the welcoming committee at SCI can sway the Hon. Minister to see the light and if they do it will be a feather in their cap. Doing nothing, will produce nothing but sometimes, while doing something, one should be wary of rocking the boat too much.  | |||
|
| One of Us |
Fujo, She would not make that statement today and believes differently. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Buzz, I can arrange for you, Myles, and the PH crew to have a workshop in TZ with Craig Packer and/or his staff anytime. The workshop will be free. You just have to cover travel expenses and some park fees. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
The real problem is habitat right? That is there is less of it. So in reality the carrying capacity of the habitat will continue to shrink because the habitat is shrinking. There aren't enough legally taken lions taken to effect the population in reality, regardless of age. From this crowd it seems kind of strange to actually be hearing it. The high fence is the future of lions and hunting. Reality is a horrible thing. This movement may buy wild lion hunting some time but it might be time to make lions livestock like other "hunting" operations have done. It is not the age of lions killed that is the demise of lions, it is the loss of habitat. Change is hard. | |||
|
| One of Us |
You do understand that the taking of a young lion that is holding a pride with sub adult cubs, almost always results in those cubs being killed by the new pride holder, thereby multiplying the number of lions killed as a result of the hunt, as well as the loss of that pride holder's genetic contribution to the species? Let's put it in other terms; Say for instance that a specific area has been deemed to have a sustainable offtake of 1 lion per year. If a young pride holder male with 4 sub adult cubs is taken, the ultimate result is the killing of 5 lions, not just the one. If one of those cubs was a male, then you've removed twice the quota for the area in that year. Furthermore, the 3 female cubs were never included in the sustainable offtake equation. Damn, Aaron I'm amazed at the reluctance to adopt a simple conservation idea that although not perfect, strives to minimize the impact on what is widely accepted to be a species under pressure in todays Africa. | |||
|
| One of Us |
A big step for sure. I applaud DSC for making a bold move! Dave Fulson | |||
|
| One of Us |
Todd: Most of us know what happens when a pride holder gets taken out. What most people don't know is that habitat encroachment is the biggest culprit and not the legal hunter - yes there are cases where an inexperienced or unscrupulous PH may take a pride holder or an adolescent male. The main reasons however derive from a population increase which creates a need for more living space which leads to deforestation/agriculture/animal husbandry which ultimately has a negative impact on existing game, forcing predators to attack domestic animals (cows & goats) which will bring about drastic retaliatory measures which foresee entire prides being wiped out overnight (Kenya is a classic example). Next on the scene is the recent demand for animal parts which has given birth to extreme poaching of the lion species (sex is immaterial)but the male has that little bit extra to offer. The bottom line is that the hunter and client have become victims of circumstance and have virtually been branded as the main culprits for the decrease in lion populations. The introduction of the age limit is definitely a sound basis to determine which animal qualifies and which one does not though it does not apply nor will it be adhered to by the ill-intentioned (something similar to the current issue on gun control on the other side of the pond and the reaction it is getting by those being victimized). I do not for a moment think any PH worth his salt in TZ is reluctant to adopt these "simple" conservation ideas; most were already doing so before someone came up with the idea - what is of greater concern is what the authorities, inclusive of the researchers are going to do about the REAL and imminent problem regarding the Lion - POACHING! | |||
|
| One of Us |
Yes...loss of habitat is a problem...but not in the parks and adjacent hunting blocks and areas like the Selous. Shooting young lions has definitely had a negative influence on the population...so I disagree with most of your post. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Fujo, I fully understand the issue with habitat loss. No question about that but Slim makes a post stating that the age of the lion taken isn't the issue, JUST habitat loss. Within the problem of habitat loss, we can take measures to minimize impact on the lions that are hunted. Conservation through hunting is a concept I believe in 100% when done correctly. Striving to take a lion that results in no additional individuals being removed from the population, and further, one that is no longer contributing to the gene pool, should have zero negative affect on the species survivability. My objection to his post and the reason I commented further is solely due to his identifying habitat loss as the only issue while dismissing the practices that can help conserve the species for the long term. Your comment about how "the hunter and client have become victims of circumstance and have virtually been branded as the main culprits for the decrease in lion populations" is spot on. We have been branded as such and it's an easy sell to the general public at large. We'll never swing the opinion of the anti's, that's granted, but we as hunters should do everything in our power to make those who are willing to listen aware of the positive benefits of conservation minded hunting. That's the specific reason I questioned you on your post yesterday when you stated to Aaron, that the anti's just want lion hunting closed and don't care about our conservation efforts. While that is a true statement, you posted it as if it were YOUR position! I was surprised to see someone who claims to be a PH take an attitude of accepting the anti's position without a willingness or desire to fight for what we believe in and want to preserve. There are so many forces working against us right now concerning the lion and lion hunting. Is it a battle that we can win in the long term? Seems like a long shot at best. But I will say that I'm not willing to concede the fight to the masses who's only education concerning wildlife and conservation is an occasional viewing of Nat Geo Wild. To put a finer point on my postion and just so you'll know that I put my money where my mouth is, consider this. On my recent lion hunt in Zim with Charlton McCallum Safaris, we had an opportunity to shoot one of 3 lions. If you speak with my PH, Blake Wilhelmi, he will tell you that from the moment we started the hunt, I held to the positon that I only wanted to shoot a mature male, not holding a pride with cubs, to the best of our ability and that regardless of the money spent, I wasn't going to change my position on day 18 of the 18 day hunt. I'm not the sort of fellow that has the funds to try multiple times so this was likely a one time event for me. Hopefully not, but that is my current financial reality. We could have taken this guy very easily but he was way too young:  We also had a chance to take this guy. By all accounts, he was the best in terms of a trophy cat but he is holding a pride and you can see at least 3 sub adults in the background. The sub adults appear to be of some age and they may have been safe, but maybe not.  We ended up taking the old solitary male you see in my signature line below. He was well known to the outfitter and PHs, was a transient with no pride, and old. Taking him, to the best of our knowledge, did not disrupt any pride structure and resulted in his removal only. A strong point that I want to make here is that Blake, the PH, was in complete agreement with my desires from the start and he never deviated from that position even when I extended the hunt for an additional 4 days to try to make it successful. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Lane: Could you provide a reason as to why the lion population is hard hit in the National Parks and adjacent blocks? We know for a fact that hunting in any national park is off limits (at least in TZ it is) so why are their populations on the decrease? | |||
|
| One of Us |
Todd: +1  Attitude + patience was well rewarded! | |||
|
| one of us |
aging of lion is a continuous learning process. The more known aged lions one looks at the more one learns to estimate age on the paw. There are several experts - as well as other well intentioned individuals - who are more than happy to help you age your lion if you provide some data. Lane has several times offered to x-ray the tooth of your lion for free. The image can then be emailed together with a bunch of photos of your trophy lion to one of several experts (Dr White, Packer, Begg to name some) who will tell you what they age your lion at. Very often, this results in a reality check So how many are willing to have their trophy aged this way for the purpose of advancing their understanding of lion aging? "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
|
| One of Us |
I've offered mine to lane for aging once I get it state side. | |||
|
| One of Us |
National Parks have suffered from excess lion offtakes in adjacent hunting blocks: Hwange in Zimbabwe and Katavi in Tanzania are 2 documented cases. In both cases, hunting outside the park had measurable ripple-effects inside. Waza in Cameroon and Moremi in Botswana were also examples but these are less well-documented. For sure the declines inside the national parks are due to conflicts with livestock herders, poaching and habitat loss as well...which...will only get worse with the loss of the lion as a huntable species. This is why hunters MUST take the high road and only kill animals that will not affect the population so objective people (such as Craig Packer, Karyl Whitmann, Colleen Begg, and Paula White) can continue to support us in good faith. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
 Safari Industry Pledges Support for DSC Lion Policy DALLAS (Jan. 24, 2013)—More than 70 major safari operators, hunting industry leaders and top conservationists have pledged to support Dallas Safari Club’s (DSC) newly adopted definition of the ideal huntable male African lion. The definition reads: “The ideal huntable male lion is at least six years of age and is not known to head a pride or be part of a coalition heading a pride with dependent cubs.” DSC adopted the position as a way to urge hunters to self-impose harvest restrictions. Overharvest of young male lions could reduce lion populations overall, posing a real concern to the conservation and scientific management of this iconic species. Furthermore, such reductions in numbers would lead wildlife authorities to reduce quotas. However, research shows that hunting older male lions has no negative effect on populations. Encouraging lion hunters to be more selective is a DSC conservation move being applauded by biologists and professional hunters across Africa. DSC Executive Director Ben Carter said, “Hunting only non-pride and non-adolescent male lions should be the goal of every responsible hunter and organization with a vested interest in conserving lion populations. We’re encouraged by the broad outpouring of support that we’ve received since announcing the new DSC position just one week ago.” Supporters are pledging to incorporate the DSC definition into their business and personal practices. To date, the growing list of supporters includes: Dr. Bob Speegle Danny McCallum Safaris, Ltd. Ivan Carter Desfountain & Jones, Ltd. Jim Shockey Craig Boddington Jeff Rann Safaris/777 Ranch Coenraad Vermaak Safaris Shane Mahoney, Vice Global Chair for Sustainable Use and Livelihoods Specialist Group, IUCN Tanzania Big Game Safaris Tanzania Safaris and Hunting Tandala Hunting Safaris Steve Hornady Safari World of Robin Hurt HHK Safaris Mokore Safaris Johan Calitz Safaris Global Adventure Outfitters Charlton McCallum Safaris Ethiopia Rift Valley Safaris Chifuti Safaris-Safari Classics Hunting Consortium Bubye Valley Conservancy Rungwa Game Safaris Brooklands Hunting Safaris Tanzania Game Trackers Safaris Game Trackers Africa/Ondjamba Safaris Tanzania Adventures, Inc. Jofie Lamprecht Safaris Michel Mantheakis Safaris, Ltd. Hunters Namibia Safaris John Sharp Safaris Huntershill Safaris Zambezi Hunters John X Safaris Mabula Pro Safaris Kikuyu Lodge Game Reserve Trophy Hunters Africa Kuche Safaris Tam Safaris Kwalata Wilderness De Klerk Safaris YO Africa Adam Clements-Safari Trackers, Inc. Liam Urry Safaris Askew and Maartens Safaris Buffalo Trails Safaris Hunters & Guides Africa Madubula Safaris Jan Martin McGuire/McGuire & Hines Matlabas Game Hunters Thaba Mmoyo Safaris DWD Worldwide Adventures Kevin Thomas Safaris Mwatisi Safaris, Ltd. Tshabezi Safaris Okarumuti Game Lodge Van Noordwyk Safaris Omalanga Safaris Namibia Limnetzi Safaris Omujeve Hunting Safaris Upmarket Safaris Forever African Safaris Zindele Safaris Rovuma Hunting Safaris Original Kansas Trophy Whitetails Sadaka Safaris Dindingwe Safaris ZimAfrica Classic Safaris–Zimbabwe Nesbitt Hunting Bvekenya Safaris Leithen Valley Trophy Hunts Wintershoek Johnny Viviere Safaris DSC officials expect more pledges of support in coming days. To further encourage selective hunting, DSC adopted a new club policy: “No DSC member will be eligible for any DSC recognition or trophy award unless the member’s lion trophy submission is a fully mature lion as determined in the sole discretion of the DSC awards committee.” Carter said, “DSC’s mission, in part, is to promote to the world the success of the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation. Responsible lion hunting, based on the latest science-based wildlife management principles, is a proven essential component of the complex policy formula that will preserve wild African lions and their habitat for future generations.” For several years, DSC has been funding scientific research on African lions. Understanding lion population dynamics is one of many projects supported by DSC grants to advance conservation, education and hunter advocacy worldwide. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
One of Us |
Just out of curiosity, why would the above need to be implemented? Was there a chance that someone was going to win some award or recognition with an immature lion? | |||
|
| One of Us |
Thanks Lane!! Just a short time ago I wasn't sure we were gonna get this done, as George, you and I continued to bang our heads against the wall. But common sense, and lion conservation above all - did finally prevail. Its great to see this kind of support for a cause that is SO BADLY NEEDED!! | |||
|
One of Us |
For what it is worth most of the better Zambia operators could be added to that list. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
|
| One of Us |
Andrew, The initial letter was sent to DSC exhibitors, but we would be very happy to add any willing operators to the list. If anyone wants to adopt the pledge, you can PM me or notify the DSC office by email (lea@biggame.org). Richard T. Cheatham | |||
|
| One of Us |
-----Original Message----- From: packer@***.edu [mailto:packer@***.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:30 PM To: Lane Easter Subject: RE: LCTF response to potential up-list Yeah, DSC is the star of the show at the moment. CIC was supposedly going to make a similar recommendation last week, but I haven't heard from them lately... On Feb 19 2013, Lane Easter wrote: >Yes...I am afraid SCI is hopeless at this point. > But...we must not give up...we got DSC. They have been publishing the Definition everywhere. > > > >Sincerely, >Lane > >J. Lane Easter, DVM >Diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Surgeons >Founding Partner & Surgeon >Performance Equine Associates >17797 U.S. Hwy. 77 >Thackerville, OK 73459 >Phone: (580) 276-1600 >Fax: (580) 276-1607 >lane.easter@pea-texoma.com >ledvm@msn.com >http://www.pea-texoma.com/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
If you are one of the people who ever wonders whether to go to DSC or SCI...well...if conservation is important to you...DSC leads the way! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Not sure we should promote that division but rather unite in common policy? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
|
| One of Us |
Andrew, I worked my @$$ off trying to unite. We basically brought everybody in the world (that is not an ANTI) together for this definition. USF&W basically told me if I could get SCI to join in...they were keen to let it lie. They (being SCI) walked away. I don't want anyone to support an organization that would gamble with something so important as this...especially when the policy was good for the lion anyway...even with out the looming ESA ruling. Sorry. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
http://www.africanindaba.co.za/Newsletter/7.htm We made it to African Indaba ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Be careful you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater Lane. The fact that USF&W said that, should tell you something!! A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
|
| One of Us |
You are correct Matt. But...what they are doing would be equivalent to the US fighting forces deciding to show up on Normandy beach in 1950. Please see the other thread for relavant information. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Correction Please Roger Whittall Safaris should be on the above list. Sorry Roger! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| Powered by Social Strata | Page 1 2 |
 | Please Wait. Your request is being processed... |
|
The Accurate Reloading Forums THE ACCURATE RELOADING.COM FORUMS Hunting African Big Game Hunting Definition of a Huntable Male Lion endorsed by DSC
Visit our on-line store for AR Memorabilia