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My taxidermist just delivered my eland from 09 and the moose I shot last fall. The eland had a huge ruff. It is gone. Anyone else suffer such a fate? My taxidermist did say my eland was the biggest bodied eland he has ever mounted. | ||
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I don't think these picures really do justice to the comparison, but mine appeared to lose it's ruff. It's still there, it just does not stand up or seem as thick. I think the dirt and oil in the ruff tends to make it stand out a good bit more in the field. "...Africa. I love it, and there is no reason for me to explore why. She affects some people that way, and those who feel as I do need no explanation." from The Last Safari | |||
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They always say that when they screw-up. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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The similar thing happened to mine as well. I wouldn't necessarily say the rough was lost but it just wasn't as "rough" if that makes sense. It was a lot more scraggly and every-which way when I shot him. Part being he was in the bush and his rough would be in contact with limbs and whatnot on a daily basis. I think in the process of tanning the hide the hair probably becomes fine or matted down which gave my Eland the effect of a "neat" rough. The hair on the rough is so coarse that it is hard to train but I found taking a dog brush on it would give it some of that fluff back. I am sure some of the taxidermists on the forum could give a better or more detailed explanation. "One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted..." Jose Ortega y Gasset, Meditations on Hunting. | |||
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My eland practically had an afro. I don't post pics but if someone wants, I can send them a pic and they can post. Jorge, my eland looks like your mounted, but like I said, the ruff was huge. | |||
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(EA) Posted for Fujotopu: AAZW Feel free to email them to me shakari3@mweb.co.za and I'll be happy to post them for you..... if you want them overwritten to combat image theft, please let me know what you want put on them. | |||
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My condolences to Mrs. Jorge400 Fujutopu you are just showing off. That thing has dreadlocks! What a toad! | |||
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Howdy, I hope I can shed some light on this situation. Keeping that scruff of hair verticle on an Eland mount is one of the toughest tricks in the taxidermy book. I have been in the taxidermy business for 19 years now. I have tried many different techniques with hit and miss results. Thinner skins, wet tans, dry tans, hair gel, epoxy hide pastes etc etc. The best I can tell you is a taxidermist must constantly backbrush and groom this while the mount is drying. I also make a little crown of clay around the forehead and the pin the skin along the edges that way it helps change the direction outward that the hair follicles are facing. Even with all the tricks sometimes the scruff just goes flat. Some of that may be due to mud caked in the hair when he was alive and maybe not. I am sure I will have some other taxidermists post on here about how wrong I am but what I am telling is the truth. Sometimes the dam things just go flat. Could the taxidermist have done a better job in this case? We will never know. Congrats on such a grand bull though. Ben | |||
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Years ago I shot a beautiful Greater Kudu. The cape full and the neck had a .408 caliber hole in it where I shot again as he tried to get up. When I got the mount it was a a pitiful cape. Almost hairless in spots and no .408 caliber hole. The taxidermist in RSA, took my cape and sold it to a company in the USA that deals in African horns and skins. He doubled is profits and he gave me a piece of shit cape. Most likely you have suffered the same thing. Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Wendell: That is AAZWriter's eland that somehow lost its ruff. He shot him in a pot field | |||
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I don't think so. This guy is great. I give him a ton of business. He said the cape came back without the ruff from the tannery. This guy delivers my stuff to my house without charge. Yesterday he and another guy came over to remoun tmy moose, which sits about 13 feet off the floor. That moose is heavy (though it does have detachable antlers). Finally, he lets me hire his staff and pay them directly to clean my mounts. I don't think this sounds like a guy out to rip off his customers. | |||
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You ass! "...Africa. I love it, and there is no reason for me to explore why. She affects some people that way, and those who feel as I do need no explanation." from The Last Safari | |||
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Very simple. Either your hair slipped on the ruff which is easy to do because of the oily portion of that part of the skin if not skinned right, or your taxidermist does not know how to mount an Eland properly and does not know how to handle the ruff. The taxidermists I use and recommend to clients do not seem to have a problem with the Eland ruff. | |||
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I may have a pic of your Eland. Damn, that was an incredible Eland. | |||
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There are only two kinds of taxidermists, just as there are only two kinds of music and two kinds of food. Good and bad. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I think this one is about average. Jim "Bwana Umfundi" NRA | |||
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Do you get paid to say things this stupid? Because you do it on an abnormaly frequent basis. The fact is Taxidermy is not an exact science. There are many great taxidermists in the USA and every one of them blows it on a mount once in a while. Whatever the reason very few mounts live up to their own expectations of how good they wanted the mount to be. Most of the time a taxidermist, like any artist, will have a general picture in his head of how he wants a mount to look. Then he starts puting the pieces together and the reality of what he is up against sets in and that picture suddenly becomes very negative. But he reaches into his bag of tricks and pulls out experience to save the day, and the final product is somewhere between that stunning animal he had invisioned in his head and that nightmare reality he was scared his client was going to be stuck with. The facts of this eland are this. 1. AnotherAZwriter, shot an eland to death on the other side of the planet. 2. A skinner that more than likely AZwriter did not stand over and watch the whole process did his best to skin the awesome beast in a manner, good or bad, that he was trained to do. Then he put the eland in salt, mind you the salt was not chemicaly checked for purity before it was put in. 3. After Mr. Writer left for his home in America, his eland cape along with his other trophies were stored in God only knows what kind of conditions until the shipping arrangements could be made. 4. After a certian amount of time and clearances the eland was shipped to the USA, with no real oversight as to the care that was taken for it to get here. 5. Once it arrived in the US a whole army of Government employees rummaged through the crates to "inspect" the shipment. 6. After clearance it was turned over to either the Mr. Writer or his taxidermist. That taxidermist turned the skin over to a tannery. Probably one that has a great reputation and is proven to consistantly do great work, but none the less has skins go bad every year, like every tannery in the US, because tanning is not an exact science either. 7. Once it is done at the tanner it gets turned over to the taxidermist and now he starts with the process we spoke of earlier. And no matter how good or bad it all shapes up only one man is standing there at the finish line. The Taxidermist. Waiting for your praise or your scolding on what type of job he did on your trophy. There is no greater example I can think of for Sh!t rolling down hill, and every day there works that taxidermist at the very bottom of that hill. The bottom of that hill now is this forum where a concerned Mr Writer poses his question for his friends and strangers to have Mr. Robinson blindly bash a working man he has never met. Congratulations Mr Robinson. I pick you to be the asshole of the week. | |||
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dumberthanastump, It's been clear since you began posting on AR that you're a gutless, low class, anonymous internet coward. Now you've shown that you're also a master at whining and making weak excuses. AAZW, A man who pays the freight for a mount as good as yours should have been deserves better than you got. A good taxidermist can and should communicate any problems (such as slipped hair, or a lost ruff) to the customer, discuss ways to fix the problems and deliver better work than you received. If I were you, I would send the mount back, or elswhere, to get the needed fix, and the look you rightly expected. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Are you really so stupid that you think it is that easy? Maybe the taxidermist can just punch a different button this time, right. That's how it works in your business, so why wouldn't it work here? Mr. Robinson, you have proven that you know nothing and your answer for not getting what you want is to throw a childish fit and abuse the names of good people. I really do hope Mr. Writer finds a solution to his problem and a solution can be found to get him a more accurate mount. | |||
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I started my taxidermy career when I was 14 years old, I'm now 50. I run a very successful business which is based on providing my clients with the most anatomically correct mounts that we can produce and top notch customer service. When we recieve skins from africa they are dried and folded up. We can only assume they are the proper skins. This skin, upon receiving it back from a very reputable tannery, still had the original tag that was placed on it by either his PH or the dip and pack company. So I know this was the proper skin. The kill photo showed a ruff that resembled an afro, not quite as big as shakari, but fro none the less. The completed mount resembles the ruff as the photo of JBoutfishn. And yes the ruff was back brushed and groomed as high as the hair would allow. The question was, have any of you had ruff loss on elands, not how bad do you think your taxidermist screwed up. If AAZW wants me to pick up his eland and transplant hair to rebuild the ruff as seen in the kill photo I will be more than happy to go pick it up and redo it to his liking. Thats how I run my business. It's how I sleep at night. Honesty, integrity and customer service. | |||
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You are beneath contempt.
Good for you, swwildlife. The transplant is the obvious fix for hair lost by improper skinning or the tannery. Bravo to you for stepping up publicly and offering to do it and make the mount right. Of course, anyone but the rankest amateur taxidermist knows that such a fix is possible. There is very little, if anything, in taxidermy that can't be fixed by a pro. And bravo, too, for your no excuses attitude. No whining; no complaining about how awfully difficult the job is and how downtrodden you are in your trade; no listing of interminable and bullshit excuses; no personal attacks; and no sidestepping the issue. Instead, nothing but honorable and straightforward behavior. One possibly critical word: I don't know what communication was had between you and AAZW before the mount was done and delivered, but it doesn't seem that you mentioned the problem with the ruff and offered to fix it before then. I think that it would have been a good idea to do that. Not every hunter would opt to have the ruff repaired by transplanting hair, of course, but it's good to know the options beforehand so that one can decide whether to pursue one or another of them. I would have no problem with a transplant in this case. In fact, I would want it, given the unfortunate errors that caused the ruff to be lost in the first place. In no way could one say that the tropny was being counterfeited. Still, I would respect anyone's decision not to do it. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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He questioned it upon delivery, I told him at the time that I knew it was the proper skin and I had not seen any mounts with the black afro (I have seen kill photo with it) but would talk to the tannery. Not having skinned it and not even seeing it prior to the compled tanning There is no reason for me to believe that there was any slippage or loss of ruff. You can bet I will call AAZW on monday. This will be taken care of. | |||
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Mrlexma, He is beneath contempt and not as sharp as he thinks. He runs a taxidermy shop in Houston and spends his time thinking of smart things to say. | |||
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Like I said, Jim is a great guy. And he would come over do it. I told him on Thursday that if anyone ever wants to see his work, I will invite them over to my house to see it. My lion is the best lion I have ever seen (most of them look terrible IMO). The work he did on my moose, outstanding. He has mounted a ton of game for me over the past 8 years or so. He is about the 6th or 7th taxidermist I have used. Only one other guy was in his league. But unfortunately, he wasn't much of a businessman. | |||
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If you need another head skin you can have one of mine if needed as I mainly do Euro mounts. | |||
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swwildlife, I would be truly interested to watch this repair, could you be talked into posting pics through the process with a starting and ending photo? | |||
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Thanks for your efforts swwildlife. I hope you are compensated for your time in changing the mount. Dogcat, I do run Tri-State taxidermy in Houston Texas and taking up for people that assholes bash with out reason here is not the only thing I do. Last year we placed second place at the state convention with nothing else but a double eland mount. Come by the shop sometime and you can see the mount along with the plaque. | |||
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That was funny! I laughed hard!! | |||
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Thanks for the information on this punk. These little internet cowards generally shut up and run for their holes when people find out who they are. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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You don't listen before you talk do you. Even a fool can appear wise if he keeps his mouth shut. Everyone here knows who I am and where I work. Why do you think I commented on this thread? Between me and you, I am the only one with experience in the field of question. The only experience you have is talking crap to people you don't know and bashing work you didn't even see. You are an unprofessional child. | |||
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Mike, That's a bit ruff? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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I have been by your shop back when you were next Goode BBQ and across from Carter's Country. You seem to cater to the whitetail/Texas exotic crowd. Your work is above average from my perspective. Brush Country is very good and has better customer interaction than your outfit. I could believe you won a prize at a competition. Your rough skills are solid and you the commercial side of the trade. However, your know it all attitude and demeanor keep me from ever considering you for work or even placing value on your opinion. Your words show immaturity and a mental state that you are a self proclaimed expert on everything hunting. You are not "smarter than the average 5th grader" and about as sharp as bowling ball. | |||
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Amazing. We ask for a taxidermist opinion on Eland mounts and then we crap on his opinion? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Worse things happen at sea. | |||
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Not at all. If you dish it out like dumberthandirt, you had better learn to take it, instead of sniveling like a coward and relying on others to pick up the gloves for you when you're back's on the mat.
Only if the opinion is no opinion at all, but instead is a rank personal attack, coupled with a list of never ending, theoretical, pissing and moaning, whining excuses with no basis in reality. The taxidermist who did the work has weighed in on this subject. He has offered no excuses, but only a willingness to make the fix (which our resident whiner never mentioned, and even implied could not be done). Now it's up to the customer and his taxidermist, in this case a competent one, and a true professional, to decide what to do. Perhaps better communication could have averted any disappointment or misunderstanding here. But often, only hindsight can see where things went wrong, and that's probably the case here. People of good will can work this stuff out. It's only jerks and whiners who make a bad situation worse. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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AAZW, please let us know what you decide to do. As I have said, I would not hesitate, if I were you, to go the transplant route to achieve the same look your eland had in life. But your ideas on the subject may differ. Photos would be good, too, if you can see your way clear to post them, while at the same time protecting your copyright. You are fortunate to have a competent and professional taxidermist, who can and will help you, rather than whine, cry, piss, moan and attack others because of and as concerns just how awfully difficult it is to do a halfway decent job of work. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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