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Bob Kern, Dan Duncan, Mike Simpson, Tom Riley and Humbert Thummler are all disgusting individuals. They brag in person and publication about what great hunters they are, accept awards for their achievements, publicly condemn others as the enemies of hunting, and when it all shakes out it turns that they are one of the greatest threats to the sport of hunting, through their unscrupulous hypocrisy. The thing that many look past is that those that know about it and try to sweep it under the rug (yes, even some on this very forum and thread), are just as disgusting and cowardly in their actions, they threaten the sport they claim to support and hold dear through their hypocrisy, shame on them. | |||
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Duncan testified before a Houston grand jury in July that he did not know it was against the law to hunt from an aircraft, particularly because he had done so in Russia many years before. well Larry, still don't know what we are talking about?? might help to improve your vision if you got your head out of your ass and got out of your denial mode. for sure the rest of us know who won the first annual door gunner award-actually a 2 way tie. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Alan and JD - Are personal insults and namecalling all you have when someone doesn't agree with all your BS and holier than thou behaviour? You are also very naive if you think you aren't/haven't been "played along" to prove just that point. Just wanted to show your real colors. Mission accomplished.  Sorry to dissapoint guys but I have no knowledge whatsoever about the incident you are referring to (accept by you two here on AR)and have no idea who the people are you mentioned. My life is not consummed to searching to find every single possible misdeed committed by SCI or any other organization as is apparently all you have to do. Looks like (3) votes now Alan, only need about 20,000 more and you should be in?  Will be leaving you all to play among yourselves now as that seems to be what you do best. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | |||
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so you played us along by making yourself look like an idiot? brilliant, simply brilliant. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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You still can't get it, duh. You were played along to make you'all look like idiots and it worked so live with it. It was your choice to result to the namecalling and personal attacks not mine. Is I have stated before. Know a little about the way SCI operates as an organization, know some about the legislative functions, know how the Chapter systems help and the good they do in my Chapter President years, etc. It's been eight years since being active on those levels and the fact I am not totally consummed in being the ultimate police force in all things SCI and other organizations, like you and Alan are I guess really bugs you two? Again get over it. While you guys are mired in your own holier than thou campagins and continue to wallow in your self created depths, I'll be having a great time at the SCI Convention in a couple of weeks. Of course you two wouldn't know anything about the good side would you? Too bad really. See ya. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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if we are the ones looking like idiots, why is no one else jumping on your end of the bandwagon- apathy? try again. maybe you'll get lucky and someone else will defend the indefensible. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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jd - I am not pulling a bandwagon so why would I be concerened if anyone is jumping on or not? Man you are sure dense!! Also I am NOT defending, condemming or supporting ANY actions by any group out there including SCI. Just a regular SCI member voicing my thoughts when some "jackwagons from mambie pambie land" come on here with half truths, hearsay and personal vendettas against SCI. Shoulda, coulda things in the past are really no interest to me, especially things you or I have no control of. At least this time you cleaned up you mouth. Thanks.  You SCI naysayers (self appointed saviours of us all) keep bringing up the SOS (same ole shit), for you dense ones. At least come up with a new verse, your old song is getting real old and worn out. Yada, yada, yada!! Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | |||
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Oh forgot to add, out of here. Have fun playing with yourselves and each other. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | |||
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Larry, are you stating that you do not know who Dan Duncan, Mike Simpson and Bob Kern are? | |||
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505 - I said I was out of here but in answer to your question, I have no idea who any of the three people you mentioned are. Never heard of them before as I recall, wouldn't know them if they came by and introduced themselves to me. Oh, do you happen to know Jerry van der Shield, Tommy Sanderson or Kraig Youngblood?? Curious as to why you would think I SHOULD know these folks you mentioned?  I live in a small area of New Mexico (by choice) and I guess I am just not up with all you police force people when it comes to knowing everyone in the World. Kinda like it that way.Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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“Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity” ~ Bonaparte Cheers, ~ Alan Life Member NRA Life Member SCI email: editorusa(@)africanxmag(dot)com African Expedition Magazine: http://www.africanxmag.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.p.bunn Twitter: http://twitter.com/EditorUSA Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. ~Keller To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be truthful. ~ Murrow | |||
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Thanks Alan -for explaining yours and jd's behaviour? Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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since Mike Simpson was the SCI president about 5-6 years ago, seems strange you never heard of him- especially since presidents are elected by BOD/ chapters presidents( not directly by members). and if you have ever been to an SCI Convention and missed Conroe Taxidermy's booth, you must use a white cane. please Larry  and somehow i seriously doubt the 3 people you mentioned above ever made the national news or the numerous posts here. do a search for Dan Duncan, Bob Kern, or Mike Conroe on this website and enlighten yourself.Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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also Larry, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING i have posted that is hearsay or half truth- 10 minutes of googling will verify EVERYTHING I HAVE POSTED. so who really looks like a naive apologist? i was an SCI MEMBER FOR 20 YEARS until the bullshit got too deep for me to wade through- what about you? Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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This is PRECISELY what is wrong with SCI! I have been saying it for many years, that there is no worse enemy to REAL hunters more than the self glorifying so called AWARD TROPHY hunters. For many years, each time the Awards issue of Safari magazine came, I was thinking WHY? WHY are these people doing this? This sort of behaviour has absolutely nothing to do with HUNTING. All it does get those with more money than sense to try to bash each other by shooting something bigger! Ethics cannot stop them from trying to beat the other guy. And I think if people think it was only those mentioned have been guilty of this. Think again. In todays world, there are outfitters and PHs who specialize in transporting trapped animals to other areas so someone can have his name in the record book. Why do you think SCI started their own record book? Your guess is as good as mine. | |||
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Saeed - Have to agree with you on this one. And have never said otherwise. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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jd - I guess you don't read very well either. Haven't been "involved" with the politics side if you will for eight or so years as posted above, so why would Mike Simpson be a household word? Like I said, don't keep track of all the SCI Presidents, Board members, ethic committee members, leave that up to you know it all folks. I don't really know the current SCI President either, other than seeing his name at the bottom of the column in the SCI magazine. Now a fourth name comes up, Mike Conroe. I don't know him either. Yes I have seen Conroe Taxidermy at the show, nice work by the way, but still would have no idea who Mike Conroe is or what he has or hasn't done. Never met the man. I guess we are just interested in two totally different aspects in life. My main concern tommorow will be waking up in the morning and wondering if last nights snow is too deep for my morning walk in the beauty of the Jemez mountains. Your obession is righting all that is wrong with SCI, chasing down all the hunting criminals out there and knowing them by their first names. Not my cup of tea. Have fun with your endeavors, I know I'll enjoy mine. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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unfortunately, a lot of the "hunting criminals" out there are SCI hierarchy. nice try at deflection through ignorance of the facts, however. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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I would be inclined to challenge and confront the scoundrels. But doing that might lead to escalation. One must choose one's battles. Yet it's hard to turn away from one more disgrace, among the many that we suffer at the hands of these scum. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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jd - Well I guess you have your first lead, so go get those guys. Spend your every hour today, leave no stone unturned, see that justice is done. For me. I'll be crosscountry skiing in about 30 minutes on the fresh, new powder received overnight. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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While reading another thread, I realized that Swahili has given us the proper word to describe Larry 'Shenzi' Sellers. The alliteration is just the icing on the cake. http://forums.accuratereloadin...1411043/m/5251086541 Like all loud mouth Internet buffoons, Shenzi just wants attention. If he can't get it any other way, he quickly degrades any discussion he disagrees with into personal attacks and spurious accusations to deflect the thread away from the topic and get it back to the only subject that interests him... Shenzi himself, and his quest for ego gratification. However, when the attacks are returned in kind, he howls like a three legged coyote, blubbers about how he has been wrongly categorized by personal insults and name calling, and then vows he is 'out of here'. Of course, that was about five posts ago.  Actually, it was all a clever trap when he actually feigns ignorance of any of the events or people involved. He was just playing us along to prove a point, but now with his mission accomplished, he is done with this rubbish and is off to ski through the mountains. Shenzi is so above all of this he can no longer be bothered with any more comments.  Since he has no knowledge of anything or anyone involved in or concerned with this topic, we are all grateful that Shenzi has decided to refrain from any comments on things that his has no knowledge of or interest in. Cheers, ~ Alan Life Member NRA Life Member SCI email: editorusa(@)africanxmag(dot)com African Expedition Magazine: http://www.africanxmag.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.p.bunn Twitter: http://twitter.com/EditorUSA Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. ~Keller To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be truthful. ~ Murrow | |||
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Saeed. To my way of thinking the awards program and record books (more importantly) have been the driving force behind more SCI members traveling to new and different places and pursuing new and different species that they might not otherwise. So if it is agreed that more regulated conservation-based hunting equals good conservation - the the SCI programs have been very successful in promoting these destinations and species. As for the vitriole directed at those individuals above - they had their day in court, pursued by the US F&W for whatever reason, they were found not guilty - get over it!! As for Dan Duncan ... he is recently deceased... There's some tastless and slanderous posts in this thread, posted under psuedonyms. 
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Alan- What a piece of work you turned out to be. Even worse than I could have imagined. I see it's back to name calling and personal attacks. But I guess that's the only way you can defend yourself. Glad you finally have shown your true colors and total ignorance. Your claim to be some kind of mag Editor is really a joke if this is the best you can come up with. Hopefully we can meet face to face somewhere down the line and see if you are willing to continue these insults in person instead of from behind your "Editors Desk". (Editors Desk, what a joke). Sorry I don't know all the lowlifes you associate yourself with and obsess about. Get over it. Matt - As you know it does not matter if a person is proven not guilty in court or had no charges filed against them, to some here they are still guilty. No need to mention names as we all know who they are. They just cannot get over it, because that would mean having to admit that they were wrong and they won't do that because they are perfect in every way. (In their own mind). I just enjoy playing some of them along to finally get them to show their real self and resort to name calling and personal attacks. Kinda reduces their creditability in all areas don't you think? Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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What are you going to do Shenzi? Talk me to death about the things that you have no knowledge about or the people you have never heard of?  Cheers, ~ Alan Life Member NRA Life Member SCI email: editorusa(@)africanxmag(dot)com African Expedition Magazine: http://www.africanxmag.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.p.bunn Twitter: http://twitter.com/EditorUSA Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. ~Keller To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be truthful. ~ Murrow | |||
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Hi Matt, Just so I can't be accused of hiding behind a pseudonym, my name is Lee Hooker. You need to do some research before you try to throw a "not guilty" blanket over this story. Those poachers admitted to shooting game from the helicopter, their defense was that they were too stupid to know it was illegal, and I guess the jury agreed. Now they can help OJ look for the real killers because he was also not guilty. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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As I remember this, only one person was charged and put on trial. That was Bob Kern, owner of The Hunting Consortium, a booking agency. Kern was not in Russia with the men you have named, but he was charged with facilitating the importation of illegally taken moose antlers and capes. He was found innocent after the widely publicized trial. The others were never charged with a crime, to the best of my memory, because even though most people would agree that shooting wild animals from a helicopter is unsporting and unethical, it was not illegal where they killed those moose. Bill Quimby | |||
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Matt, My point is that this silly "mine is bigger than yours attitude" is getting rather worse. Do a search here, and you will see how an animal was caught in one country, and trasported to another for someone to shoot. Some outfitters and PHs specialize in this. | |||
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actually it was and still is illegal but the on-the-scene game department official gave it his personal stamp of approval. as to why Duncan and Simpson's case didn't proceed in federal court- the Russian wildlife service refused to send anyone to the States to testify as to the illegality of the hunt and without that testimony, the US federal attorney could not proceed with an indictment- even though the 2 individuals admitted in pre-trial depositions that they did indeed hunt and shoot from a chopper- hence the door gunner award. Duncan also admitted this in a news interview. last time i checked here( in the US), ignorance of the law is not a legitimate defense. of course legal versus ethical- who really cares. apparently not some people. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Sorry jd, your first lead apparently got blown out of the water? That's OK, just keep hanging with Bunn and I am sure you guys can come up with some other names to continue your witch hunt. Sad situation about more reported Rhino poaching, but I guess it goes a little deeper than just the guys at OoA. Sounds like you and Bunn need to get over there and clear this all up? Larry Sellers SCI Life Member PS - The skiing was great, more instore for the weekend. Maybe some snowmobiling as well.
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Little Shenzi, It is all about having the last word isn't it? Never a word about anything else. A totally self focused, obsessive compulsive... the perfect chapter president. Yeah, it is all abut you Shenzi. Don't be concerned with those pesky rhinos. In fact, you don't even know what they are or why there is a problem with them. Cheers, ~ Alan Life Member NRA Life Member SCI email: editorusa(@)africanxmag(dot)com African Expedition Magazine: http://www.africanxmag.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.p.bunn Twitter: http://twitter.com/EditorUSA Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. ~Keller To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be truthful. ~ Murrow | |||
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Hi Saeed OK. Do you also take my point about the long-term value of the records and awards from a conservation viewppoint? I am not talking just SCI but all the other similar facilities as well. Yes I know what you mean but I dont think SCI is getting any worse in this regard. I work quite closely with SCI Records (for my 'neck of the woods' anyhow) and I can assure you their attitude is quite the opposite. Sure some of the hunting (and hunters) may not be to everyones taste but they (SCI) do strive for the records to be 'clean'. Yes no doubt some of the outfitters and ranch owners do some 'stuff' - but surely that is for everyone to take-up with hose outfitters.... not just SCI... (To others) By the way - I was not condoning the helicopter shooting activity - just reporting the facts. Bob Kern was put on trial and found not guilty. Even people who do not personally like Kern, helped him with his court costs, such was the monumental nature of the case - whereby one person was charged for the allegedly (and unproven) illegal activities of others on a hunting trip. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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the miscarriage of justice here is that Duncan and Simpson committed the offenses- and admitted to it in pre-trial depositions and media interviews- and Kern( who simply arranged/sold the hunt) got charged with the Lacey Act violation. seems a bit strange. and i still haven't figured out what Larry was referring to in his last post about leads be being blown out of the water. was he referring to shooting the moose and sheep from the chopper while they were standing in water? was the Russian chopper a Hind gunship with it's nose mounted mini-gun slaved to the ethical hunter's rifle scopes? maybe it was the Russian equivalent of pod mounted Hellfire missiles that managed to kill the moose. so many questions- so few answers. http://www.chron.com/disp/stor...usiness/4980376.html Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Amen..... count on my vote... Remember, forgivness is easier to get than permission. | |||
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Alan - As a fairly new member here, and after reading a lot of your posts, I was wondering (in a respectful way) why you are still a life member of SCI? If they are as bad as you have stated, why wouldn't you just resign your life membership in protest? Thanks! Scott | |||
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I support SCI as an organization. However, when the leadership allegedly gives a criminal organization full reign to rip off and extort the rank and file members, I am against that. Why was Out of Africa not dealt with by the Ethics Committee many years ago? Cheers, ~ Alan Life Member NRA Life Member SCI email: editorusa(@)africanxmag(dot)com African Expedition Magazine: http://www.africanxmag.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.p.bunn Twitter: http://twitter.com/EditorUSA Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. ~Keller To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be truthful. ~ Murrow | |||
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Thanks for the answer, Alan. As far as your question about OOA...I can't answer it as I just joined SCI back in November. I'm still trying to catch up on who all these players/folks are....good and bad.  I actually just got my first issue of Safari magazine this week. Scott | |||
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