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Looking at a 7 day buffalo hunt with these folks in Zimbabwe. Hunting will be either in Matetsi or Hwange Reserve. If anyone has any experience with this outfit I would appreciate hearing their thoughts. | ||
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As my text boxt thingie is not working....I will just say: Watching this and eating popcorn...:-) Charl van Rooyen Owner Infinito Travel Group www.infinito-safaris.com charl@infinito-safaris.com Cell: +27 78 444 7661 Tel: +27 13 262 4077 Fax:+27 13 262 3845 Hereford Street 28A Groblersdal 0470 Limpopo R.S.A. "For the Infinite adventure" Plains Game Dangerous Game Bucket List Specialists Wing-Shooting In House Taxidermy Studio In House Dip and Pack Facility In House Shipping Service Non-Hunting Tours and Safaris Flight bookings "I promise every hunter visiting us our personal attention from the moment we meet you, until your trophies hang on your wall. Our all inclusive service chain means you work with one person (me) taking responsibility during the whole process. Affordable and reputable Hunting Safaris is our game! With a our all inclusive door to door service, who else do you want to have fun with?" South Africa Tanzania Uganda | |||
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Don't know anything about them, but what I do know is that they are not a Zimbabwean company! Who would they be taking you to hunt with is the more important question?As for hunting in Hwange National Park.........well I guess it's different strokes for different blokes.... Can I ask you a ? Of all the Zimbabwean operators there are, why would you want to deal with one that's not from Zimbabwe?? Cheers Thierry | |||
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So many times I have said, and I will be glad to repeat here again. Do NOT, repeat NOT, book a hunt in Zimbabwe with a South African outfit! | |||
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Because Its not just business, It becomes family (I think huntelkrc is the "it"). They have shot 3 nice buffalo though, oh, wait a minute, all 3 of those pics are the same buffalo...  | |||
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I knew those 3 pics of that cape buff looked familiar.. http://forums.accuratereloadin...2100588/m/1441030891 No implication one way or the other, just knew I'd seen that buff and hunter before. Going back to eating popcorn. | |||
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Too many reputable outfitters out there to take a chance like this & Thierry is on top of the GOOD list. LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show. Not all who wander are lost. NEVER TRUST A FART!!! Cecil Leonard | |||
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So it is... http://www.restlessafrica.co.za A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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To all the popcorn eaters out there..... The outfitter in question is Donovan Steynberg. He brings clients to me from time to time to be hunted by me on my concessions. I know him as a stand up and honourable person and has always acted accordingly.The inns and outs of his dealings in Zimbabwe is not known to me and its not my business , but I cannot see him breaking the law. Whether its ethical to hunt a national park is a subject for each individual to decide. huntelkrc , why don't you ask the man for a bunch of references , call them up and decide for yourself. If you're unclear about his dealings in Zimbabwe , ask him what the deal is , who the operator is , Ph , etc , and verify that. There are a number of Zim outfitters on this forum who will gladly do that for you. His dealings with me have always been honourable . Happy hunting | |||
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Maybe while you are asking for references you could also ask him how ethical it is to hunt tame animals in a national park. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Maybe while you are asking for references you could also ask him how ethical it is to hunt tame animals in a national park.[/QUOTE]  | |||
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[/QUOTE]Funny you should use that emoticon, that is exactly how I picture the "hunt" taking place.  ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Apparently the hunt in question was advertised at the low country chapter of SCI as a donation hunt. huntelkrc reacted to this advertising. scilowcountry.org I might be wrong gentleman , but I see no reference to a national park hunt being offered , only Matetsi. I'm done being the messenger now. | |||
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There is a bunch of good guys in Zim and many more outside of AR. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Jan is right. This is a donated hunt at one of the SCI fundraisers and I was checking to see if it might be worthwhile to bid on. I'm just doing my due diligence before moving forward. I appreciate those who have shared constructive comments. | |||
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huntelkrc - You are approaching this the right way. Check things out prior to any commitment. You have also now been exposed to the two elements here on AR. The ones that have a lot of knowledge and want to help and those that are just wantabees. Good luck with your decision and hope it works out for you. Hunting Africa awesome, so keep the faith. Larry Sellers SCI(International)Life Member Sabatti 'trash' Double Shooter R8 Blaser DRSS
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As usual, SCI turns a blind eye to anyone "donating" anything. Could the organizers ask a few questions before accepting an offer? | |||
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What makes you think they did not ask the questions? A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Just going on past performance from that lot. | |||
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Listen to Saeed, he is 100% correct stay away from anything to do with South Africans in Zimbabwe and keep out of the pParks.  | |||
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+1 common sense really  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition” ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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IF the hunt is the park, know this, you will not get your trophy. Full stop. The end. | |||
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Saeed, you need to rein your horse in. A lot of us SA opperators support a few of the guys in Zim and kept them in business while Zim was the scum of the earth for a lot of foreigners. Please take note, I dont support illegal activities or any other shenanigans that has taken place. But we have supported our neighbours since the industry opened its doors and they have done the same for us. I think we should all look after each other and get rid of the bad apples, rather than making silly statements to the effect which you just did. Specialist Outfitters and Big Game Hounds An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill | |||
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There's nothing necessarily wrong with booking with an out of country outfitter whether South African/Zim or anything/anywhere else IF (note the big IF) everything is done correctly and a local PH (etc) hired to conform to all legal requirements and there's plenty of Zim (and other) PHs & outfitters (including most of the very good ones) do that very thing elsewhere in Africa. | |||
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I think we all like to see the bad apples from both South Africa and Zimbabwe exposed. But, so far practically every time something shady is going on in Zimbabwe, it seems to have a South African angle to it. This has been brought up here before, why doesn't PHASA do something about it? My point is we have a lot of honest outfitters in Zimbabwe he do keep their hands clean, and those are the ones we should support. Does one get a cheaper hunt by booking with a South African PH to hunt in Zimbabwe? Doesn't a South African PH require the presence of a PH who is licensed in Zimbabwe to be able to conduct a hunt? | |||
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Shakari, you are absolutely correct. I personally have been approached by SA operators/PHs and am more than happy to work with them. My assumption of why any outside operator wants to deal with a less renowned "operator/PH" from Zim, in Zim is perhaps because the figure at the end of a hunt quote is generally a lot lower than it would be if dealing with a more reputable one, that the outside operator thinks he can make more money for himself? My original reply to this post, implied that it would be equally, if not more important to find out who the South African operator would be dealing with in Zim, rather than just asking about the SA operator. | |||
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Fwiw, 2 red flags here, Hunting in hwange for buff Hunting in Matetsi if your a US citizen could bring you under LAcey Act breach. Book with the good guys in ZIm, there are lots of them, Some are CM safaris, Bvekenya safaris, CHifuti safaris, MOkore safaris, the list goes on Cheers Nick | |||
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Nick , please read the thread , there is no park hunt offered in the advertising for the hunt in question. Can any of the Zim outfitters please explain the problem with americans hunting in Matetsi ? This is an honest question guys , might be a stupid one , I just don't know anything about how your hunting areas are structured. Now , while most of the Zim outfitters on AR are top notch outfits , there has to be many more who are not members . Are you not all affiliated to a professional hunters or outfitters association which can police the bad apples ? Once again , just asking to genuinely get a grip on this , seeing that I got pulled into this one. | |||
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The reason SOME (note the big SOME) clients choose to book with a particular company but hunt a different country is that the client has established a relationship with an individual PH or outfitter etc so wants to hunt with them and if that PH (etc) books with a good local company and hires a locally qualified PH then there's nothing wrong with that at all and it happens all over Africa and very regularly. I should say I'm all for stamping out the fly by night flaky buggers but let's try to keep things in perspective and not throw out the baby with the bathwater. As an example of how it can work perfectly legally and acceptably: Saeed himself has established a good working relationship with a VERY good and VERY well respected PH/company in the Vincents and he likes to hunt with them...... and I'm sure he'd be happy to hunt with the Vincents anywhere in Africa as long as all the legalities were observed. Other examples can be found any night of the season in the Seacliff Hotel in Dar...... All you have to do is walk into the bar and you'll be fairly sure to find several PHs who are using a locally licenced PH to operate there. | |||
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Jan, The opening post states "hunt in either Hwange or Matetsi" Cheers Nick P | |||
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I have also hunted with a South African PH is Tanzania. He is licensed there and can conduct hunts by himself. I would not have hunted with anyone that has to employ an additional PH to be legal. Alan Vincent, the PH from Zimbabwe who I hunt with in Tanzania, is licensed to hunt there. He has been with me on safaris in Tanzania and South Africa, but only as a camera man. | |||
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Jan, Hwange is a national park. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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I think the Vincents are some of the VERY best but am surprised to hear that you wouldn't hunt with Alan under those circumstances..... I certainly would & it's quite common for it to happen there.  (apologies for the assumption)FWIW, I've been the legal PH for a number of hunts where there another (not locally licenced) PH came with the client. As long as the non local guy is competent, it works well enough & if he's not, then the legally licenced PH just steps in when he sees the other guy is out of his depth. | |||
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Are you linked to this hunt that huntelkrc is asking about? Do you book hunts in Zim? | |||
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I can't disagree with you there buddy....... A cheap safari is always going to be just that & you don't get what you don't pay for!  | |||
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Thank you , This is what huntelkrc says in his post. However the actual advertising which he reacted upon ( see the SCI chapter advert ) only mentions matetsi. Still don't know what the problem in matetsi is though. Is it a legal hunting area ? or part of the national park ? | |||
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No , I'm not linked to the hunt in question and I don't book hunts in Zimbabwe. I do however know the South African outfitter in question and I know him to be a honourable guy from his dealings with me in South Africa. | |||
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Jan, The only experience I have on Matetsi is reading about it on AR, so rather than give "internet expert" advice I'll be honest and say I am certainly not the person to ask for information on Matetsi. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Could one of our Zimbabwean outfitters please shed light on this. | |||
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