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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
1901 Mac,

Them was the good ole days!!

....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1
DRSS Charter member
"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982

Hands of Old Elmer Keith

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Originally posted by pagosawingnut:
Larry,
My only trip to Mozambique was with Safaris de Mocambique ( Simon Rodgers) Had a wonderful time, 4 and 5 start camps, great food, booze is always good, plentiful game....lots of elephants although you can't export ele from Moz to the US. Plenty of buffalo. Got a nice old 41+" hard bossed bull and saw one that should go 45" with soft bosses and a good drop that should be hard enough now or next year to shoot.
Not hard to get to, fly into Harare, they will charter flight you.

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:
I hunted with Carel Maartens for Hippo and Croc and Gold Metal Chobe Bushbuck.He has HUGE hippo and crocs!! Fantastic camps near Zumbo in the Chorra Bassa Lake area. Lots of game, including Big 4. Carel is a great operator. Access through Lusaka Zambia. Zambia requires gun permits and a fee on ammo but Mozi is no problem. Go for it!!

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Originally posted by freischuetz:

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Originally posted by larryshores:https://forums.accuratereloading.com/groupee_common/ver1.3.7.9995/platform_images/blank.gif
My only foray into Mozambique consisted of walking about 2 feet past a marker in the middle of the bush somewhere. I did it just to say I did it.

I am contemplating the possibility of a trip there to hunt. Could anyone give me general impressions of the country please?

I am looking for information on:

1- How hard is it to get there?

2- How difficult to bring your guns?

3- Any safety issues?

4- Game populations? Especially buff and elephant.

5 Areas to avoid?

6- Prime areas?

7- The best operators?

8- The worst operators?

Thanks.

I am looking for information on:

1- How hard is it to get there?
Via JHB ( LAM, SAA), or Via Lisbon TAP

2- How difficult to bring your guns?
No Problem you need a Import permit and Customs Paper all done by outfitter before hand

3- Any safety issues?
No except driving

4- Game populations? Especially buff and elephant.
Depending on area and quality from excellent to poor to non existent

5 Areas to avoid?
all NEW areas and with new "Operators"

6- Prime areas?
Prime areas for big elephants are Niassa, for Buffalo Zambezi Delta Coutada's 10, 11 and 14 and the southern bank of Caborra Bassa

7- The best operators?
The ones with a sound and long track record in Mozambique

8- The worst operators?
most of the new guys with the new fantastic areas.

For specific info PM

Cheers

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Mark:

Can you comment more on the buff in coutada 9?

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Mark:

Can you comment more on the buff in coutada 9?

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he big issue in C 9 is that Mokore has been trying to get government approval to bring in buffalo to increase the herd...but so far no go.

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Originally posted by Cross L:

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he big issue in C 9 is that Mokore has been trying to get government approval to bring in buffalo to increase the herd...but so far no go.

Bring in buffalo?

is that kinda like lion in RSA?

No..the concession is unfenced. They would like to bring in buffalo from Marromeu I believe to jump start the population...kind of like they are doing in the Gorongosa NP if you follow that situation.


Just asking

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Originally posted by Cross L:

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he big issue in C 9 is that Mokore has been trying to get government approval to bring in buffalo to increase the herd...but so far no go.

Bring in buffalo?

is that kinda like lion in RSA?


Just asking

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Originally posted by maki:

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Originally posted by Cross L:

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he big issue in C 9 is that Mokore has been trying to get government approval to bring in buffalo to increase the herd...but so far no go.

Bring in buffalo?

is that kinda like lion in RSA?


Just asking

No, they want to re-establish a resident breeding population in the area using captured wild buff from the delta. Permanent water is a bit of an issue in C9 and the buff they get are pretty transient. The larger herd mentioned above left in the dry season after efforts to establish permanent water failed (dam broke IIRC). C9 and the surrounding areas were hunted hard for rations by both sides in the civil war and what was left was just about poached out by hungry refugee farmers afterwards. The group operating C9 now have been working hard to improve the water and relocate some of the refugees to places where they can make a living. Anti-poaching efforts are continous. They have had excellent results building up the PG. They are starting to see results with elephant and the cats are starting to reappear. Buff are proving more difficult.

Dean

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Originally posted by Mike70560:
Dean,

I was there in September, 2010. It is a wonderful area. The kudu and warthog population was unbelievable.

I believe one of the partners is the Rosenfels.

This is a picture of a dam that was being built by I thought Mr. Barrie and Neil? Hopefully it did not fail as it was huge. In the picture Mr. Barrie is giving me a hard time about carrying softs while hunting buffalo.

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
gunslinger I've been on Coutada 10 and 11. You'll love it. Do yourself a favor and take a couple of days to look for the red duiker, blue duiker and suni. I can 't believe they occur anywhere else in the numbers you will find there.

Mark

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Originally posted by maki:
Mitch,

IIRC, there are 4 parnters in C9, Mokore, Westin(sp?), a small group from the US and a local lawyer to take care of that end of things. Mokore and Westin work together, but maintain separate operations with different styles. Their camps are totally different in character. Mokore has gone for more, smaller water holes fed by pumps as needed. Westin has gone for fewer, larger, dams. Westin had replaced the failed dam with a much more elaborate structure by this time last year. This dam will be big enough to provide a bit of fishing as well as year round water.

C9 is an interesting part of an interesting country. I was there about a year ago, and while walking my feet off up to the ankles after eland, we saw some neat stuff. Along the old (1950s?) hunting track there is a rock outcrop that Renamo used as their supply base in the area. One day, along a seasonal river, Barrie saw a couple of domestic trees, all that remained of a refugee village. When the trackers were asked about it, they said that 30 years ago there was permanent water in the area. Not too far from there, along a tributary of the same sand river, we found a hole dug into the river bed by warthogs to get at ground water. It looked to be about 6 ft deep hough nobody was too keen on sticking their head in to be sure. I love those little stories you run across in the bush!

Cheers,
Dean

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Originally posted by Safari2:

The big issue in C 9 is that Mokore has been trying to get government approval to bring in buffalo to increase the herd...but so far no go.

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Originally posted by freischuetz:

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Originally posted by Safari2:

The big issue in C 9 is that Mokore has been trying to get government approval to bring in buffalo to increase the herd...but so far no go.

That will not happen the Buff in the delta got a unique foot and mouth strain only found in Marromeu and Brazil thanks to cattle which the Sena Sugar estate imported from Brazil.

cheers

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Originally posted by freischuetz:
Safari2

Safari2
Never heard of Kanga N' Thole you got any idea of the location of this area or who hunted there?

I only came to Mozambique 1993 and started developing the first concession in 1994 but do know some of the old professionals hunter and poachers there are now only a hand full left.

Regarding the old Coutada's No.4 No.5 No. 6 No. 7 No.13 No.15 most have been tendered multiple times but never anything developed most has been abandon once the success full bidders actually started to try to operate there. The financial resources are immense and the change that you my get a return, never mind any profit, maybe in 10 to 20 years time let them run out of enthusiasm.
Quite a few never made any lease payments.

However from the old Coutada's 9,10,11,12,and 14 operating for many years successfully.

None of the concessions are real close to Gorangosa 50-100km

Regarding Gorangosa Natinal Park there is still a very long way to go they doing a good job but political and financial constrains are big hurdles.

Hope that helps

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Originally posted by DAL:
I hunted just down river from Mary Livingston's grave. It was like I was back in time with her and David! We did not use Argos, all the swamp travel was by machete...lots of buff and ele in the Zambezi swamps. I have awesome memories and pictures of those swamps. The PG seemed a bit scarce and wary, probably from drive-by shooting. Tough on archery hunting. I had not shot anything but bushpig in the first 6 days ( of a 7 day hunt) but it had been my best hunt ever..connected the final afternoon on buff.
Lots of scheduled flights into Maputo, Pemba, Lichinga, etc.
I am going back in Sept for leopard.

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by freischuetz:
Safari2

Safari2
Never heard of Kanga N' Thole you got any idea of the location of this area or who hunted there?

I only came to Mozambique 1993 and started developing the first concession in 1994 but do know some of the old professionals hunter and poachers there are now only a hand full left.

Regarding the old Coutada's No.4 No.5 No. 6 No. 7 No.13 No.15 most have been tendered multiple times but never anything developed most has been abandon once the success full bidders actually started to try to operate there. The financial resources are immense and the change that you my get a return, never mind any profit, maybe in 10 to 20 years time let them run out of enthusiasm.
Quite a few never made any lease payments.

However from the old Coutada's 9,10,11,12,and 14 operating for many years successfully.

None of the concessions are real close to Gorangosa 50-100km

Regarding Gorangosa Natinal Park there is still a very long way to go they doing a good job but political and financial constrains are big hurdles.

Hope that helps

I believe Kanga N' Thole was on the northern border of Gorongosa NP. As far as who hunted there....Wally Johnson back in the day and I believe Adelino Pires had it in addition to C9 and I believe C6.

I spoke with an older gentleman who hunted there with his father when he was a kid...each took 22 or 23 animals including the big 4.